Scarves Hermès Scarf Identification

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momasaurus said:
There are H archives? We always complain that there is no such thing, and @marietouchet always says no one keeps records. What are these archives and how can we storm them? LOL
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Write to Hermes HQ.

Don't let the official denials fool you, they have records of everything. I've seen hundreds of articles in Monde where the info could have only come from historical artefacts and records. Same with the work historical exhibit leather exhibitions. How do they come-up with reissues if they don't have the records of the originals?

Really, they are usually only interested if your piece will add to their knowledge-pool but it's worth a try.
 
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momasaurus said:
There are H archives? We always complain that there is no such thing, and @marietouchet always says no one keeps records. What are these archives and how can we storm them? LOL
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There are no archives to which the public has direct access.

Does H have a computerized LIST of SCARVES, DATES, ARTISTS? Of course they do - we have no direct access to the LIST. You have to go through CUSTOMER SERVICE (item 3)

H has piles of stuff/archives/back up info (MOUNTAINS OF STUFF, catalogs, LE MONDE issues, original artwork, paper, fabric samples, silk exemplars, mockups etc, it has not all been digitized) ... but WE (mere mortals) certainly cannot get at any of that.

1. BUCOL, GANDIT subsidiairies are famous for having historical archives. The MUSEUM (Menehould) staff (item 4), copyright gurus (item 6) or production experts (item 1, 7) might also have parts of the puzzle.
2. But how much stuff was absorbed into a central repository ?
3.THE LIST - you can contact CS and get a date/artist. The CS reps (item 3) are not experts and sometimes they goof.
OK, technically, it is not just an EXCEL LIST, it is a full blown SQL DATABASE ...
4. Menehould - the lady in charge of the Hermes museum. Dont remember her title but she has a research group - that surely contributes to the LIST(s). She would be a good source, if you can get to her and if she takes the time to formulate an answer. Has she updated the central repository lately?
5. There are different conflicting officially-sanctioned H books - Bolofo and Coleno come to mind. Are the book inaccuracies due to bad editors or a deficient central archiving system at H? BDG is famously from 1957 but I have a hard copy of a LE MONDE article with 1956 as the date. And ... oh by the way, what documentation is behind the date of 1957, just being picky here.
Not all books are officially blessed by H.
6. AND remember H is not known as being detail oriented about records (see item 5). Is BDG EN FINESSE a new design or a reissue? Discuss... You probably need to talk to the H copyright people about that...
7. DESIGN CHANGES for any production system, a design is conceived, BUT it evolves prior to production. And might get tweaked even later. Only Lyon knows what got changed, when. Menehould does not care.

I would say that storming the archives requires a plan. What type of info do you want? THE LIST only - beg CUSTOMER SERVICE. STORIES about provenance - cosy up to Menehould. Issues/production/printing questions - see GANDIT/someone in Lyon.
The plan would depend on the design of interest - how old is the design ?
All bets are off for scarves not manufactured in France
 
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papertiger said:
Write to Hermes HQ.

Don't let the official denials fool you, they have records of everything. I've seen hundreds of articles in Monde where the info could have only come from historical artefacts and records. Same with the work historical exhibit leather exhibitions. How do they come-up with reissues if they don't have the records of the originals?

Really, they are usually only interested if your piece will add to their knowledge-pool but it's worth a try.
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Info about H products is like Bs and Ks, You cannot just walk in off the street and expect them to cough them up
Work up a relationship, buy some housewares, $20k later, the staff will be defrosting to the idea of answering your requests.
 
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marietouchet said:
Further, IMHO, H does not want you to know ALL, since that would remove some of the mystery , the H brand is about the magic/mystery of their products
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As evidence of that … Hermes sanctioned the Coleno book , which has very nice scarf stories, artists and dates …
if that one had all the stuff we wanted (at least for scarves prior to publication date) , then we would all say BUY THE BOOK
and if we don’t, the Hermes failed to give us ALL of what we crave
 
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Hello fellow scarfies! Can I please request your assistance in identifying this scarf? The first photo is a screenshot that I saved from Pinterest back in 2020. The Pinterest links do not lead to the original source. TinEye Reverse Image Search leads me to Tumblr, which shows the photo as being reposted without attribution.

I originally thought that the design along the border was some type of keyboard, and therefore, the scarf might be "Point d'Orgue" or "Orguaphone et Autres Mecaniques." Upon closer inspection, this scarf appears to be neither.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

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marietouchet said:
Info about H products is like Bs and Ks, You cannot just walk in off the street and expect them to cough them up
Work up a relationship, buy some housewares, $20k later, the staff will be defrosting to the idea of answering your requests.
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On the subject of H wanting to provide us with all the info we seek …
in the next to last or latest Le Monde is a full page graphic showing the CWS of BRIDES DE GALA for each year since 1957 , great graphic , eye candy galore

1. there is a tee tiny icon of each CW, too small to accurately discern differences IMHO, but maybe I have bad eyesight …
2. all the CWS of the variants are mixed, BDG EN FINESSE, EN DESORDRE both 70 and 90cm etc , it is a cornucopia of stuff, it is NOT just 90 cm BDG CWS, dip dyes, no CSGMs?
3. I looked at the older years 1957 - 1990 ish, very few cws , hmmm
I could swear there were more , at first glance it looks like they gave short shrift to the oldies in favor of all the REMIXES , see item 2

i tried copying the page of my magazine, but, impossible to get a good scan without breaking binding, and the icons are so small as to be almost indistinguishable , sorry for lack of graphic

so my opinion of the graphic is
EYE CANDY - gets marks of A+
ACCURATE DETAILED FACTUAL INFO B-
 
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c18027 said:
Hello fellow scarfies! Can I please request your assistance in identifying this scarf? The first photo is a screenshot that I saved from Pinterest back in 2020. The Pinterest links do not lead to the original source. TinEye Reverse Image Search leads me to Tumblr, which shows the photo as being reposted without attribution.

I originally thought that the design along the border was some type of keyboard, and therefore, the scarf might be "Point d'Orgue" or "Orguaphone et Autres Mecaniques." Upon closer inspection, this scarf appears to be neither.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

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Somehow the CW does not look Hermes-like ? Don’t recognize design either
 
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marietouchet said:
Somehow the CW does not look Hermes-like ? Don’t recognize design either
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I thought that the scarf might be vintage Hermès because they have done a center circular motif in many of their designs. However, I looked through the entire online HSCI Hermès Scarf Catalogue and I didn’t see this particular piece. Now that the experts here have weighed in that the scarf is not Hermès, I’ll keep searching for its actual provenance. Many thanks! :flowers:
 
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c18027 said:
I thought that the scarf might be vintage Hermès because they have done a center circular motif in many of their designs. However, I looked through the entire online HSCI Hermès Scarf Catalogue and I didn’t see this particular piece. Now that the experts here have weighed in that the scarf is not Hermès, I’ll keep searching for its actual provenance. Many thanks! :flowers:
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Brava for looking through the entire HSCI catalogue! Good luck with your search. It’s a really pretty scarf!
 
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marietouchet said:
On the subject of H wanting to provide us with all the info we seek …
in the next to last or latest Le Monde is a full page graphic showing the CWS of BRIDES DE GALA for each year since 1957 , great graphic , eye candy galore

1. there is a tee tiny icon of each CW, too small to accurately discern differences IMHO, but maybe I have bad eyesight …
2. all the CWS of the variants are mixed, BDG EN FINESSE, EN DESORDRE both 70 and 90cm etc , it is a cornucopia of stuff, it is NOT just 90 cm BDG CWS, dip dyes, no CSGMs?
3. I looked at the older years 1957 - 1990 ish, very few cws , hmmm
I could swear there were more , at first glance it looks like they gave short shrift to the oldies in favor of all the REMIXES , see item 2

i tried copying the page of my magazine, but, impossible to get a good scan without breaking binding, and the icons are so small as to be almost indistinguishable , sorry for lack of graphic

so my opinion of the graphic is
EYE CANDY - gets marks of A+
ACCURATE DETAILED FACTUAL INFO B-
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Managed crummy snap of graphic
 

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