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Thanks. I'll take a look at that brand too. I know that buying jeans through the mail isn't the best but the last few times I tried looking in stores the selection was dismal.

I use Amazon to log in through Shopbop and get free 2 day shipping/free returns. I order a whole bunch and then return about 95%. It is so much easier to do it that way. They come UPS and they go back with their own label through the post office. They refund very quickly
 
I use Amazon to log in through Shopbop and get free 2 day shipping/free returns. I order a whole bunch and then return about 95%. It is so much easier to do it that way. They come UPS and they go back with their own label through the post office. They refund very quickly

I did something like that with Nordstrom Rack in June. I ordered about 40 tops. Tried them all on in the comfort of my bedroom. Decided to keep about a third of them. Scooped up the other 2/3 and drove to the Rack store less than 10 miles away and got my refund. And while in the store, I picked up a couple of pairs of shorts.

I consider the fit of tops to be semi predictable. The fit of jeans is totally unpredictable in women's jeans. I have always done the men's route so I can order waist and inseam. It would never occur to me to order a bunch of jeans and return 95%. That is one of the great things about the Cafe--new ideas.

The free shipping through Amazon is brilliant.
 
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I did something like that with Nordstrom Rack in June. I ordered about 40 tops. Tried them all on in the comfort of my bedroom. Decided to keep about a third of them. Scooped up the other 2/3 and drove to the Rack store less than 10 miles away and got my refund. And while in the store, I picked up a couple of pairs of shorts.

I consider the fit of tops to be semi predictable. The fit of jeans is totally unpredictable in women's jeans. I have always done the men's route so I can order waist and inseam. It would never occur to me to order a bunch of jeans and return 95%. That is one of the great things about the Cafe--new ideas.

The free shipping through Amazon is brilliant.

That's smart about the tops too. I often want to try tops with other things to see how they look and you can't cart all of your clothes to the store to try them. I'm getting over feeling badly about returning things.
 
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I'm getting over feeling badly about returning things.

There is a current article in Time magazine entitled One Size Fits None. This article focuses on "vanity sizing" and how much variation there is in sizing. A chart shows that the bust in a size 8 varies from 34.5 to 37.5 inches. Here is a passage from the article.

“Insanity sizing,” as some have dubbed this trend, is frustrating enough for shoppers who try on clothes in stores. But now that $240 billion worth of apparel is purchased online each year, it has become a source of epic wastefulness. Customers return an estimated 40% of what they buy online, mostly because of sizing issues. That’s a hassle for shoppers and a costly nightmare for retailers, who now spend billions covering “free” returns.

So don't feel bad. It is the fault of the clothing lines.

http://time.com/how-to-fix-vanity-sizing/
 
There is a current article in Time magazine entitled One Size Fits None. This article focuses on "vanity sizing" and how much variation there is in sizing. A chart shows that the bust in a size 8 varies from 34.5 to 37.5 inches. Here is a passage from the article.

“Insanity sizing,” as some have dubbed this trend, is frustrating enough for shoppers who try on clothes in stores. But now that $240 billion worth of apparel is purchased online each year, it has become a source of epic wastefulness. Customers return an estimated 40% of what they buy online, mostly because of sizing issues. That’s a hassle for shoppers and a costly nightmare for retailers, who now spend billions covering “free” returns.

So don't feel bad. It is the fault of the clothing lines.

http://time.com/how-to-fix-vanity-sizing/

Interesting, well that's totally accurate. I order the same denim size as per the individual brand's size guide and still am astounded at how many don't fit properly. At least this article confirms that my hips don't change measurement with each pair of jeans!
 
@PocketBookPup I recommend AG jeans as well. The Farrah model is skinny but not too skinny and has a higher rise than most of their jeans. (I.e. They sit at the natural waist). I had the (mis?)fortune to buy them in their store, helped by a young man (more like a kid). When i told him that i wanted to try the Farrah, he looked at me with a bit of disapproval and told me "but do you know that they are HIGH? I mean REALLY REALLY HIGH?"

I thought he was so cute. I wonder what he would have said if he saw the Jean Paul Gaultier jeans i was wearing when i was his age [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1].
 
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@PocketBookPup I recommend AG jeans as well. The Farrah model is skinny but not too skinny and has a higher rise than most of their jeans. (I.e. They sit at the natural waist). I had the (mis?)fortune to buy them in their store, helped by a young man (more like a kid). When i told him that i wanted to try the Farrah, he looked at me with a bit of disapproval and told me "but do you know that they are HIGH? I mean REALLY REALLY HIGH?"

I thought he was so cute. I wonder what he would have said if he saw the Jean Paul Gaultier jeans i was wearing when i was his age [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1].

Heehee, those kids are great to help with jeans buying. Love when they call me ma'am.
 
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@PocketBookPup I recommend AG jeans as well. The Farrah model is skinny but not too skinny and has a higher rise than most of their jeans. (I.e. They sit at the natural waist). I had the (mis?)fortune to buy them in their store, helped by a young man (more like a kid). When i told him that i wanted to try the Farrah, he looked at me with a bit of disapproval and told me "but do you know that they are HIGH? I mean REALLY REALLY HIGH?"

I thought he was so cute. I wonder what he would have said if he saw the Jean Paul Gaultier jeans i was wearing when i was his age [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1].

Butting in to Hermes chat to say AG Farrahs are my favorite jeans and pretty much all I wear. I snag up every new color that comes out in the cropped version. They can be worn a zillion times without washing and still don't lose their shape.
 
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There is a current article in Time magazine entitled One Size Fits None. This article focuses on "vanity sizing" and how much variation there is in sizing. A chart shows that the bust in a size 8 varies from 34.5 to 37.5 inches. Here is a passage from the article.

“Insanity sizing,” as some have dubbed this trend, is frustrating enough for shoppers who try on clothes in stores. But now that $240 billion worth of apparel is purchased online each year, it has become a source of epic wastefulness. Customers return an estimated 40% of what they buy online, mostly because of sizing issues. That’s a hassle for shoppers and a costly nightmare for retailers, who now spend billions covering “free” returns.

So don't feel bad. It is the fault of the clothing lines.

http://time.com/how-to-fix-vanity-sizing/

Interesting, thanks for sharing this. Certainly has been my experience, sizing is all over the place. Sometimes companies have dimensions of the actual garments. If available, I ask for those when ordering online, and compare them to a similar item I have that fits well. Then along with the most likely size, I order one size up and/or one size down, from that!
 
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The only thing worse is bathing suit shopping. [emoji23]

Jeans are frustrating. Bathing suits are totally depressing. Seriously. Who needs to see their every flaw in a three way mirror while bathed in yellow green florescent light that makes them look sick? Designers must be designing with Gisele Bundchen in mind. I'm thinking the burkini might be ok.
 
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