One can believe in affirmative action and still be chocked that people who have all the advantages in life decided to cheat their ways thru. One does not negate the other, imo.
Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin among dozens charged in alleged college cheating scam
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Oh I didn't say it negates the other. I just think it proves how much some people don't listen to others who are in a disadvantaged situation. Because I don't see how it's possible to be shocked if one's been listening to them tell that this goes on and often or about the bias in the SATs. I cited more than those who affirmative action supports also.
Honestly, that's what I'd like to see. Hopefully this brings a change to the SATs, possibly eliminating them, and the entire college admissions process.
Due to the large amount of money involved (compared to Felicity) and her complete lack or remorse (plus the nature of her career being so wholesome), I think her career is over. Wonder if they have enough money in the bank to support themselves in years to come.
I remember reading somewhere recently that the combined worth for Lori and her husband was somewhere in the $100 million range. They'll be fine for the rest of their lives (unless there is an incredible $$$$$ settlement to keep them out of prison).
$100 mil should go pretty far if invested correctly
if they are worth that much then I hope they get a fine big enough to hurt....maybe the $500K they "donated"
Who have been telling me that there were full on cheating going on?
While I am perhaps more naive than you, I never doubted that there were inequalities out there.
I have lived them.
However, I am taken back that people would cheat to that extends(taking fake pics for example) and not even feel remorseful and somehow even arguing that what they were doing were illegal.
Look what is going on with the special high schools in NYC, people are up in arms when Mayor di Blasio is trying to even out the field.
We are fighting for crumbs here. Lol.
I think that more colleges are doing away with grades and SATS, it is for the best, imo.
Education is only one avenue toward success, imo.
The most financially successful person I know graduated from a New York State school. So there.
For some reasons, those types of chicks get chances after chances, we shall see.
In an ideal world, the resources and playing field could be leveled out at a much, much younger age (eg. primary education level), instead of letting so many discrepancies build up into some grand battle royale after high school. If things were 'leveled' at a much younger age, then different kids with different natural aptitudes for different areas, would have ample time and resources to develop and show through. It would become more obvious right across the board, whose talents lay where and who was suited for which path, whether that be vocational, academic, or otherwise. So what's the solution? More resources into primary education seems to be the first obvious guess? But how in the world to rework the school funding system -- across an entire country, let alone a state? The state I'm in made a push a few years back for something like that (where funding would be collected from the public at a state level instead of a district level, and then more evenly distributed between districts --which is at least a start). But it can't even get through at state level. And I'm in one of those "East coast" states too.
I feel you think I'm arguing that people don't know there's inequities and i'm not; on the surface, most people are aware inequities exist. I'm stating that people who are overly consumed with this shock of this hasn't been paying attention. The one great thing that has come out of social media, IMO, is that it has given the common person a voice that's able to be rallied around. So thier voices, perspectives and everyday realities are no longer suppressed.
I don't know what to say if the message is new to anyone but hopefully it's a wake-up call. Since I've been in high school, I can remember educators, in my area/districts at least, calling for revamping of the tests and the college admissions process. The SATs always has been a joke and cheating is not new. Cheating by way of impersonation on the SATs causes thousands of scores to be invalidated each year. Don't know if you remember that story about 10 years ago in LI about the guys in Great Neck who were taking the tests for students - I feel like it made national news. Anyway, every few years there's some story about people cheating and going through great lengths to do such.
I think the profile of the people involved in this particular case is what's shocking people the most....these are two women who have built their careers on being the wholesome mom. I think they were seen as relatable in some aspect.
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The world is not fair and it will never be so there's a degree of imbalance that we have to expect will happen. We can absolutely make steps in the direction to creating more resources to give all the students in this country a competitive position across the world stage; but that honestly would require for people to put the children, and not politics, first.
However, in all of this I'm simply referring to the blatant naivete of those who are shocked. Hopefully, this scandal opens their eyes a bit more to the world that's happening right around them.
really?
hold the kids responsible for their parents corrupt actions?
It is really sad as it made me more cynical.
at the end of the day, those who are cheaters and can live with themselves, will cheat.
It is not my problem.
throw them both in there, especially if they had knowledge of the scheme.