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#91
howdoesitfit.c said:
Ladies....you can't wear CZ it's like wearing a knockoff purse right?
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I respectfully disagree. A diamond is not a patented copyrighted material, there is no copyright infringement. You are not taking someone else's ideas and copying them like for example the counterfeiters of coach would be doing. It is no more a knock-off than fake grass is to real grass on a miniature golf course. That's the best analogy that I can come up with. To me a cz is like a pair of breast implants, a good job no one would be able to tell unless they felt them, and a good cz no one should be able to tell w/out a loop. Are fake tits a knock off? They are knockers, but not a knock off, lol.
 
#92
speedydelivery said:
I respectfully disagree. A diamond is not a patented copyrighted material, there is no copyright infringement. You are not taking someone else's ideas and copying them like for example the counterfeiters of coach would be doing. It is no more a knock-off than fake grass is to real grass on a miniature golf course. That's the best analogy that I can come up with. To me a cz is like a pair of breast implants, a good job no one would be able to tell unless they felt them, and a good cz no one should be able to tell w/out a loop. Are fake tits a knock off? They are knockers, but not a knock off, lol.
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:roflmfao: Great! I have knock off boobs! Who knew?:rolleyes:
 
#93
speedydelivery said:
I respectfully disagree. A diamond is not a patented copyrighted material, there is no copyright infringement. You are not taking someone else's ideas and copying them like for example the counterfeiters of coach would be doing. It is no more a knock-off than fake grass is to real grass on a miniature golf course. That's the best analogy that I can come up with. To me a cz is like a pair of breast implants, a good job no one would be able to tell unless they felt them, and a good cz no one should be able to tell w/out a loop. Are fake tits a knock off? They are knockers, but not a knock off, lol.
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#96
oregonfanlisa said:
:idea: Upon further reflection, maybe it's as simple as this: it's only a problem when you lie and say that your cz is a diamond.
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Why, are there diamond police patrolling our streets or somthing???? And who is the problem for, the wearer or the observer?

I put it into the same category of women who have cosmetic surgery, hair color, face enhancing makeup etc......its on a need to know basis.

I cant see why there is so much fuss about someone obtaining a second best option that may be the only way that they can indulge in a little fun.

Diamonds are not that sacred, they are there to be enjoyed by people with some extra money thats all. And for the record, my family have been in jewellery for 100 years, and even I wear cz when I feel like it. I cant tell you how many people believe its real even before they analyse it, which shows you, a lot is in the mind!
 
#97
speedydelivery said:
I respectfully disagree. A diamond is not a patented copyrighted material, there is no copyright infringement. You are not taking someone else's ideas and copying them like for example the counterfeiters of coach would be doing. It is no more a knock-off than fake grass is to real grass on a miniature golf course. That's the best analogy that I can come up with. To me a cz is like a pair of breast implants, a good job no one would be able to tell unless they felt them, and a good cz no one should be able to tell w/out a loop. Are fake tits a knock off? They are knockers, but not a knock off, lol.
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Thats hilarious.
Your point is valid. There shouldnt be an issue about any of the things we do to make ourselves look or feel better. We shouldnt feel guilty about having plastic surgery. If someone gets there nose altered, do they need to tell every one that its not their real nose??? Of course not.

I can tell you now, that if the worst deception you ever pull is wearing a cz as a real diamond, you`re doing alright!!! I would have to say there are a million more misleading things that I do daily from blow drying curly hair straight, colouring it, botox, dental makeover etc....

But, your analogy will stay with me for ages now....its so funny. Imagine if that was the tradition and guys had to buy their women implants. Hmmmm, I wonder if the budget would suddenly increase!!! j/k.:graucho:
 
#98
vespergirl said:
I feel pretty strongly about this one ... the original purpose of the diamond engagement ring was for the diamond to be a symbol of the man's financial prosperity, and to assure the woman's family that he would be able to take care of her, when he was marrying her and she would be leaving her father's house. That's why people are more "impressed" by large diamonds - it show's off the wealth of the couple.

These days, of course, most women are financially independent, so it's not like the guy has to show her dad that he can take care of her, since she was probably taking care of herself before they got engaged.

However, I am traditional, so I still see it as a symbol of the man's commitment to his wife by making a financial sacrifice to get her something of value. When we went diamond shopping, my husband was determined to spend as least two months salary, because that's what he felt that I "deserved."

That's not to say that I think a woman needs any particular size diamond - but it needs to be real, and her fiance should have saved for the purchase - I think 2 months salary is a good guideline. If that means that she's getting a real .25 carat diamond because that's what his budget can afford, then she should wear it with pride.

I know someone who's fiance drives a $60,000 car & spends $ like it's water on himself, but she's walking around with a 3 carat CZ on her finger that she's trying to pass off as a real diamond (she knows it isn't). My husband was disgusted when her fiance bought her that - he said that it showed a real lack of commitment to her - if he were really serious about the relationship, he would have either bought her a smaller, real diamond, or sold the fancy car to buy her the bigger diamond that he wanted everyone to "think" he had bought.

Maybe I have a more old-fashioned view of this, but I see the diamond engagement ring as a symbol. I think it's totally cool if you don't buy into it, though - I have lots of friends who just wear wedding bands, because they don't like the whole connotation of the couple's wealth being displayed on her finger - but I love diamonds too much to be that down to earth! :graucho:
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i know this quote was from some time ago, but ive been too busy to come online for quite sometime... BUT ANYWAYS. lol, i believe in the very beginning, the engagement ring WASNT made with diamonds. it was actually made from STRING! (i know right?!!?) and the diamond size didnt symbolize that the bigger the more the husband can take care of the wife. the string was actually a way for the males to brand their wives. that way then other males saw the female they would see the string tied on their fingers and see that she is married. and also, back in the days, diamonds were kept underground for only celebs. to purchase. companys wanted it to only be for the rich and famous. then it started to slowly go out on the market due to supply and demand.. anyhoo. my ering is a e-colorless diamond. but i have purchased a diamonique diamond before just to see what it was like. im not sure if i could tell the difference because i think it depends on the lighting. but everytime i wear my diamonique people always compliment it! almost as much as my real diamonds!
 
#100
oregonfanlisa said:
:idea: Upon further reflection, maybe it's as simple as this: it's only a problem when you lie and say that your cz is a diamond.
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I honestly can't think of any time when this would come up. I do not own any CZs (although I am considering a pair of CZ earrings so I obviously don't have a problem with them) but I have never ever even once had someone ask me if my ring was a real diamond. Yes it is real but if someone did ask, I would think it was incredibly rude and quite frankly, pretty odd. When complemented on my ring, or any other diamond jewelry, I have never been tempted to announce- It's a real diamond! I just can't think of any time when this would ever come up to give someone a chance to lie.
 
#101
Littlesharon said:
Why, are there diamond police patrolling our streets or somthing???? And who is the problem for, the wearer or the observer?

I put it into the same category of women who have cosmetic surgery, hair color, face enhancing makeup etc......its on a need to know basis.

I cant see why there is so much fuss about someone obtaining a second best option that may be the only way that they can indulge in a little fun.

Diamonds are not that sacred, they are there to be enjoyed by people with some extra money thats all. And for the record, my family have been in jewellery for 100 years, and even I wear cz when I feel like it. I cant tell you how many people believe its real even before they analyse it, which shows you, a lot is in the mind!
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I agree. Most ppl don't get that close anyway. Unless the cz is really hideous or extra-huge, it seems like ppl guess authenticity based on other cues/clues.
 
#102
nseastar said:
I honestly can't think of any time when this would come up. I do not own any CZs (although I am considering a pair of CZ earrings so I obviously don't have a problem with them) but I have never ever even once had someone ask me if my ring was a real diamond. Yes it is real but if someone did ask, I would think it was incredibly rude and quite frankly, pretty odd. When complemented on my ring, or any other diamond jewelry, I have never been tempted to announce- It's a real diamond! I just can't think of any time when this would ever come up to give someone a chance to lie.
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#103
I love diamonds, but I have also purchased some diamonique pieces that look better than my real diamonds. (The diamoniques are flawless and set in platinum.) If my husband couldn't afford a real diamond e-ring I'd take a good fake until he could. Now I never pictured myself with a tiny diamond (i'd rather have a gold band). My old co-worker received a small, pretty diamond e-ring. Her sisters complained and laughed at it (rude) and when she showed it to me she kept saying "it's really small I know" - she was unhappy with it. I thought it was pretty, but I hate she felt bad about her ring. Get what you're comfortable with - you can always upgrade later.
 
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