cz versus the real deal...

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great thread!!! like smooches, i have a platinum ring w/ real side stones, but it still has the original cz. i decided that it was more important to continue my education, than to get a diamond. i'm waiting till we can afford the diamond i truly want. that said, i would much rather sport a cz than a poor quality diamond. people should be able to wear what they want, rather than worring about what other people think of them. it's a personal choice.

totally! i want to purchase a house and do other things first. So for us its not important to spend all this money on a diamond right now when we want other things. When the time is right and we find a diamond we love and have extra money thats when for us the time is right to purchase one. But for now I have no problem getting a CZ.

Like you said its a personal choice!!!
 
Lol. I never wear my engagement ring anyway, so I'm glad I got a $10 crystal/silver ring, instead of a 500-1000 dollar diamond. Someone who likes diamonds should have that instead, cause it would be completely wasted on me. Plus, I never have to worry about losing something so valuable, which sounds like something I would do.
 
I guess the real issue is, CZ is made to look like a diamond and maybe thats what "fake" about it. Its a diamond replica, its cut to look like a diamond and its color is made to look like a diamond...so basically its a man made diamond replica.

If it was CUT/shaped differently, like a trademark way that CZ are cut that diamonds aren't cut like then yeah its "not" a diamond replica. Its just a man made sparkly stone with its own "look" - but clearly thats not the case with most CZ on the market.

If it were me, I'd rather get Moissanite or a nice gemstone instead of CZ for an engagement ring and get nice CZ stones for fun fashion jewelry or everyday stud earings.
 
I can certainly understand someone using a CZ as a "placeholder" for a diamond engagement ring. Some designers do use CZ's in their jewelry. I, personally, would not choose to use CZ in my wedding rings. What is puzzling, to me, is that some posters say they would choose a CZ instead of a diamond, because they like it better. I don't really understand that. CZ's are diamond simulants. I didn't make that up, it's just the way they are classified. I'm not sure why that upsets people. There are simulated sapphires and emeralds, too. You can find excellent gems, at a reasonable cost, with some guidance and education.
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I guess the real issue is, CZ is made to look like a diamond and maybe thats what "fake" about it. Its a diamond replica, its cut to look like a diamond and its color is made to look like a diamond...so basically its a man made diamond replica.

If it was CUT/shaped differently, like a trademark way that CZ are cut that diamonds aren't cut like then yeah its "not" a diamond replica. Its just a man made sparkly stone with its own "look" - but clearly thats not the case with most CZ on the market.

If it were me, I'd rather get Moissanite or a nice gemstone instead of CZ for an engagement ring and get nice CZ stones for fun fashion jewelry or everyday stud earings.

ITA!
 
:hrmm: I take the .25 real diamond. I wouldn't want a CZ ring at all, to each his own. Either way you can upgrade later, but I don't like CZ. Poor CZ has a bad stigma attached to it (cheap, fake, etc.) as well, lol....
 
I guess the real issue is, CZ is made to look like a diamond and maybe thats what "fake" about it. Its a diamond replica, its cut to look like a diamond and its color is made to look like a diamond...so basically its a man made diamond replica.

If it was CUT/shaped differently, like a trademark way that CZ are cut that diamonds aren't cut like then yeah its "not" a diamond replica. Its just a man made sparkly stone with its own "look" - but clearly thats not the case with most CZ on the market.

If it were me, I'd rather get Moissanite or a nice gemstone instead of CZ for an engagement ring and get nice CZ stones for fun fashion jewelry or everyday stud earings.

Moissanite for the most part is also created in a lab now therefore I think that would be just as 'fake' as CZ. White sapphire also is similar to a diamond (not nearly the sparkle but similar) and is a great gemstone in its own right. Diamonds (as well as other stones) exist in pretty much every cut so it'd be impossible to do CZ in its own. I wouldn't ever call someone else's non-diamond ring a 'fake'. Some people value jewelry & gems. Some people do not. I don't judge. The only thing that makes my diamond a million times better than everyone else's ring is the sentiment.
 
I can certainly understand someone using a CZ as a "placeholder" for a diamond engagement ring. Some designers do use CZ's in their jewelry. I, personally, would not choose to use CZ in my wedding rings. What is puzzling, to me, is that some posters say they would choose a CZ instead of a diamond, because they like it better. I don't really understand that. CZ's are diamond simulants. I didn't make that up, it's just the way they are classified. I'm not sure why that upsets people. There are simulated sapphires and emeralds, too. You can find excellent gems, at a reasonable cost, with some guidance and education.

My e ring setting came with a CZ center stone for the purpose of replacing it with a real diamond of the customers own choosing. That is how certain brands come standard from the manufacturer--Tacori being one of them. I would of course rather have a diamond but I'd also rather have a large diamond and since my fiance hardly makes any money since he is not done with his residency yet, I will just leave in the CZ and upgrade that to a nice diamond later.

As far a people choosing a CZ over a diamond--yes it is about having the look of a diamond but not being able to afford it. I would rather have a 1 ct. CZ than a 1 ct. I2 qualtiy poor color diamond. If you will have that CZ as your e ring for the rest of your life okay I would go w/ sapphire or emerald, etc instead. But as a place holder for an upgrade I really have no problem--but obviously I am biased since this is my situation.

Thanks ladies for the great discussion I am really enjoying everyones point of view.
 
Moissanite for the most part is also created in a lab now therefore I think that would be just as 'fake' as CZ.

If somebody likes moissanite better than diamond then I think it is okay. I used to think I would get a moissanite instead of a diamond but I really can tell the difference between Moissanite and diamond whereas I can't tell the difference between CZ and diamond. So I think getting moissantie would mean you don't the look of a diamond since they are distinctly different, atleast to my eyes.
 
Found this column on the interent:
ARE WE BEING BRAINWASHED BY DE BEERS?

The diamond scam:

Diamonds used to be really expensive, but then diamond mines were discovered in South Africa in the late 1800s and prices plummeted. Thus was the De Beers Group formed as a cartel to bolster prices.

De Beers has been an extremely effective cartel. Diamonds would probably sell for only a fraction of their current prices where it not for a combination of restriction of supply and a marketing campaign to increase demand.
The tradition of the diamond engagement ring is a bogus one. It's a tradition that De Beers invented in the 1930s. De Beers spent big money on marketing, and worked with Hollywood to place diamonds in romance movies.
The retail price of diamonds is two to three times the wholesale price, which in turn is quite a bit higher than what you would get paid if you wanted to sell back your diamond. And probably the wholesale price is several times higher than what it would be without a cartel to prop up the prices. (De Beers has successfully convinced people not to sell back their diamonds with its "diamonds are forever" campaign--if people sold back their diamonds instead of keeping them as family heirlooms, this would put downard pressure on prices.)
Who decided that a man should spend two to three months of his salary on an engagement ring? De Beers. If only all the men of the world would unite and agree not to pay so much, we would all be better off. A combination of new supply from Canada and Russia, as well as the development of laborataory created diamonds indistinguishable from the real things, threatens to cause a huge crash in the price of diamonds. This is yet another warning against spending two months of salary on a diamond; ten years from now that same diamond may sell for only one week of salary.
 
. This is yet another warning against spending two months of salary on a diamond; ten years from now that same diamond may sell for only one week of salary.


yadda yadda .i am soo over all that diamond bashing these articels are around as long as diamonds itself so it seems. and still prices going strong. and yes it is marketing but so is everything else. what would a vuitton bag be worth if noone would want one or a picasso or .. you get the picture

and actually diamonda can be an investment and part of a diversified portfolio you just need to know what to buy
 
I think cz is fine for trendy pieces that you don't want to spend a lot on or to take on travel.
However, for pieces I want forever, I'd definitely prefer diamonds.

My feelings exactly! For an engagement ring, its something that you hopefully will have forever and a diamond is forever and holds its value! A real diamond is also an investment
 
yadda yadda .i am soo over all that diamond bashing these articels are around as long as diamonds itself so it seems. and still prices going strong. and yes it is marketing but so is everything else.

I can't say I have seen anything here that I would call "bashing." People with an interest do have the option of looking into the provenance of any product they buy, and I have discussed marketing, here and elsewhere, but frankly, the number of people who are going to do a lot of looking into the journey any product makes from raw material to store shelf is very small, it is not really the kind of unpleasantness that most consumers are going to want to know about.

As for the marketing aspect, there is another thread, I think it is in the handbag forum, that discusses the interesting practice of significantly raising prices as a marketing technique, and there you will see many responses from people acknowledging that it is a marketing technique, but they do not plan to alter their purchasing habits because of it.

And if I didn't say it in this thread, I'm sure I have in others, that in my opinion, the diamond industry has been overcautious with regard to a few newspaper articles and a movie that received some hefty marketing bucks from the studio. The buying habits of the vast majority of consumers of high dollar products are not, in my opinion, going to be impacted by things like that. An overwhelming percentage of these consumers are motivated by perceived status in owning a particular product, not the plight of the less fortunate. And has been discussed, there are even marketing strategies in place to address the concerns of the few who are - and without negatively impacting resource extraction, production or sales. This particular area of business, as noted, has been riding high for decades thanks to a brilliant marketing coup that taps into millennia-old traditions, keeping ancient concepts alive and thriving even in the most ostensibly modern societies. The young ladies of these cultures want to command a high bride-price every bit much as the herdsman's daughter of old - and her great-great granddaughter in the isolated mountain village.

Thus as you point out, prices are still quite strong, and as is the case with the price-raising strategies employed in the handbag and other industries, the jewelry companies can expect a steady increase in profits!
 
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