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Hi everyone, my 13648 White Leather Ali Flap Hobo Tote Purse came today and if you can give me advice on cleaning it I would appreciate it, I am not sure if it can have a bath. I think I am finished with the other ones I purchased, I will put up before and after picks when this is done to see if you think they need more work. Thank you! :smile1:

 

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I have a question...I dunked my black stewardess bag and after over 24 hours I believe I got 99.9% of the polish and gunk off. I must have changed the water 12-15 times. I lost track....

Now she is stuffed and drying - just shy of 24 hours. - and still very wet. When should I start with the cpr? If it matters, the issue that was being camouflaged was some wear to the piping on the bottom of the bag but also the strap. Of course more issues may surface once dry but I hope not. I snapped a quick pic of the worst part of the strap for reference. Suggestions on how to proceed are appreciated!
Shasta99, my comment is not about leather conditioning - since I've never used Leather CPR, I'll let someone with more experience respond. It's about the condition of the bag. Apparently, the bag has some issues that were - literally - camouflaged, and it doesn't matter whether the seller did it, or whoever she got the bag from. Of course it's totally up to you, but if this happened to me, I would contact the seller about the issue... and if she complains about you cleaning the leather, my argument would be color transfer that wouldn't stop... and you don't necessarily should go into details about washing the bag - it doesn't matter how the surface has been cleaned, bottom line is - removed top layer revealed bare spots... you might want to ask other tPF'ers opinions first though...
 
Frankentote has recovered from surgery! I am very pleased with my little patient. The kisslock has been reattached, and I just need to tweak a few things and get her leather back in tip-top shape.





Attaching the kisslock frame:

First tip - stretching the front side of the pocket while the leather was wet definitely helped. It gave me a little more to trim off at the top so I could be sure the holes were hidden under the frame. Use a good pair of scissors for trimming - I finally got to try these new ones from Fiskars - they are awesome - I could easily cut off a thin sliver of leather when I was fine tuning the fit. (And FYI - I used to work for them, but that didn't influence my opinion!) Just trim off a small strip at a time and keep checking the fit - remember, if you take off too much you can't put it back!



Make sure you open up the frame on the kisslock wide enough so you don't have to fight to slide the leather in - it saves a lot of time in the long run. I started by inserting a screwdriver parallel with the frame and then gently twisting it to force the sides apart, but it is putting tiny dents in the frame that you could see from the front. I switched over to a pair of rounded pliers that were thin enough to slide in, then I just gently twisted them (because they were wider in that direction, kwim?). Just be gentle, and work your way along the entire length of both sides of the frame. I did this a couple of times, just working it apart a little on the first round, then a little farther on the second round.



Once you've get the frame in place, you'll need to crimp it closed. I need something that would have an opening in the middle, because I didn't want to smash the curved side of the frame, I just wanted to squeeze the bottom edges. I chose the pliers in the middle.

They were a little hard to use on the back piece of the pocket, but I managed to wedge them in. I placed some chipboard strips between the pliers and the frame to protect it from scratches. I tried to use gentle pressure to squeeze the edges together, and worked my way down the length of the frame. Once you're done, if the frame won't close properly that means you don't have it crimped together enough somewhere. It's much easier to crimp the frame onto the back side of the pocket first, then do the front because you have more room to maneuver the leather into the frame. Sorry this has been such a novel! Feel free to pm me if you have questions!


Wow, that was certainly a labor of love!!! Congratulations, it came out great!!!
 
Frankentote has recovered from surgery! I am very pleased with my little patient. The kisslock has been reattached, and I just need to tweak a few things and get her leather back in tip-top shape.





Attaching the kisslock frame:

First tip - stretching the front side of the pocket while the leather was wet definitely helped. It gave me a little more to trim off at the top so I could be sure the holes were hidden under the frame. Use a good pair of scissors for trimming - I finally got to try these new ones from Fiskars - they are awesome - I could easily cut off a thin sliver of leather when I was fine tuning the fit. (And FYI - I used to work for them, but that didn't influence my opinion!) Just trim off a small strip at a time and keep checking the fit - remember, if you take off too much you can't put it back!



Make sure you open up the frame on the kisslock wide enough so you don't have to fight to slide the leather in - it saves a lot of time in the long run. I started by inserting a screwdriver parallel with the frame and then gently twisting it to force the sides apart, but it is putting tiny dents in the frame that you could see from the front. I switched over to a pair of rounded pliers that were thin enough to slide in, then I just gently twisted them (because they were wider in that direction, kwim?). Just be gentle, and work your way along the entire length of both sides of the frame. I did this a couple of times, just working it apart a little on the first round, then a little farther on the second round.



Once you've get the frame in place, you'll need to crimp it closed. I need something that would have an opening in the middle, because I didn't want to smash the curved side of the frame, I just wanted to squeeze the bottom edges. I chose the pliers in the middle.

They were a little hard to use on the back piece of the pocket, but I managed to wedge them in. I placed some chipboard strips between the pliers and the frame to protect it from scratches. I tried to use gentle pressure to squeeze the edges together, and worked my way down the length of the frame. Once you're done, if the frame won't close properly that means you don't have it crimped together enough somewhere. It's much easier to crimp the frame onto the back side of the pocket first, then do the front because you have more room to maneuver the leather into the frame. Sorry this has been such a novel! Feel free to pm me if you have questions!

Nice job! I was optimistic that the kisslock could be fixed on this one, I was just worried about the little holes showing. Congrats!
 
Shasta99, my comment is not about leather conditioning - since I've never used Leather CPR, I'll let someone with more experience respond. It's about the condition of the bag. Apparently, the bag has some issues that were - literally - camouflaged, and it doesn't matter whether the seller did it, or whoever she got the bag from. Of course it's totally up to you, but if this happened to me, I would contact the seller about the issue... and if she complains about you cleaning the leather, my argument would be color transfer that wouldn't stop... and you don't necessarily should go into details about washing the bag - it doesn't matter how the surface has been cleaned, bottom line is - removed top layer revealed bare spots... you might want to ask other tPF'ers opinions first though...

I hear what you are saying....I have had some contact with the seller. Initially, before dunking, I asked what had been used. S/he replied that only Coach conditioner had been used and suggested that maybe the bag just needed to dry more (when I said I was conditioning and getting tons of color transfer.) At that point the seller offered return shipping and to "take to my leather shop for conditioning and send it back free of charge." I said no, that was ok....this was all before dunking. At that point I didn't realize what was being camo'd.

I love the purse but probably wouldn't have bid as high as I did (just under $60) had I seen what was under all that polish. If she looks better once fully dry and conditioned, I'll be happy but if not, I'll feel like I've been duped. So I'm not really sure if I'll do anything at this point.

Oh, of course I left ++ feedback right after receiving the bag before I realized there was an issue. Lesson learned....
 
I hear what you are saying....I have had some contact with the seller. Initially, before dunking, I asked what had been used. S/he replied that only Coach conditioner had been used and suggested that maybe the bag just needed to dry more (when I said I was conditioning and getting tons of color transfer.) At that point the seller offered return shipping and to "take to my leather shop for conditioning and send it back free of charge." I said no, that was ok....this was all before dunking. At that point I didn't realize what was being camo'd.

I love the purse but probably wouldn't have bid as high as I did (just under $60) had I seen what was under all that polish. If she looks better once fully dry and conditioned, I'll be happy but if not, I'll feel like I've been duped. So I'm not really sure if I'll do anything at this point.

Oh, of course I left ++ feedback right after receiving the bag before I realized there was an issue. Lesson learned....

$60 is a pretty good price for a Stewardess with no real structural issues. I agree with the lack of disclosure though. I wouldn't worry that you got "ripped off" though.

I don't know if anyone has answered your "when to condition" question-I read the whole thread in bits and pieces and didn't see a response-I usually start when the bag starts to kind of feel dry in places, when it's past the floppy stage and will pretty much stand on it's own, if that makes sense.

I would guess that when it's fully dry and the leather feels conditioned enough, that Blackrocks will bring back the color to what it really should be.
 
$60 is a pretty good price for a Stewardess with no real structural issues. I agree with the lack of disclosure though. I wouldn't worry that you got "ripped off" though.

I don't know if anyone has answered your "when to condition" question-I read the whole thread in bits and pieces and didn't see a response-I usually start when the bag starts to kind of feel dry in places, when it's past the floppy stage and will pretty much stand on it's own, if that makes sense.

I would guess that when it's fully dry and the leather feels conditioned enough, that Blackrocks will bring back the color to what it really should be.

Thanks for your thoughts...I don't feel "ripped off" at this point. I just got a bit more work than I bargained for. Had it not been for this forum, I wouldn't have known what to do. So I'm thankful and hopeful that, in the end, I'll end up with the lovely purse I believed I purchased in the first place.

I have taken your advice and started to condition. It's still pretty damp but the edges were looking very dry and gray-ish - they look a bit better after some cpr. I know it is still damp, but I think it looks kind of dull. Would Blackrocks help with that?
 
Hi everyone! I'm so glad I held out on that sad black Willis a couple weeks back. I was rewarded today with a dark gray Willis! I found her at Goodwill and had her authenticated and they told me she is from 1998. I'm going to post some before pictures, as I came home and immediately gave her a bath to try and lighten some pen marks. I hope they look better once dry. I did try alcohol on them...they lightened a little bit. Once she's mute dry I'll see if they need any more work. Any advice you all can give me regarding pen marks is greatly appreciated.

So excited to have a great Willis!

Thank for looking!
 

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Frankentote has recovered from surgery! I am very pleased with my little patient. The kisslock has been reattached, and I just need to tweak a few things and get her leather back in tip-top shape.





Attaching the kisslock frame:

First tip - stretching the front side of the pocket while the leather was wet definitely helped. It gave me a little more to trim off at the top so I could be sure the holes were hidden under the frame. Use a good pair of scissors for trimming - I finally got to try these new ones from Fiskars - they are awesome - I could easily cut off a thin sliver of leather when I was fine tuning the fit. (And FYI - I used to work for them, but that didn't influence my opinion!) Just trim off a small strip at a time and keep checking the fit - remember, if you take off too much you can't put it back!



Make sure you open up the frame on the kisslock wide enough so you don't have to fight to slide the leather in - it saves a lot of time in the long run. I started by inserting a screwdriver parallel with the frame and then gently twisting it to force the sides apart, but it is putting tiny dents in the frame that you could see from the front. I switched over to a pair of rounded pliers that were thin enough to slide in, then I just gently twisted them (because they were wider in that direction, kwim?). Just be gentle, and work your way along the entire length of both sides of the frame. I did this a couple of times, just working it apart a little on the first round, then a little farther on the second round.



Once you've get the frame in place, you'll need to crimp it closed. I need something that would have an opening in the middle, because I didn't want to smash the curved side of the frame, I just wanted to squeeze the bottom edges. I chose the pliers in the middle.

They were a little hard to use on the back piece of the pocket, but I managed to wedge them in. I placed some chipboard strips between the pliers and the frame to protect it from scratches. I tried to use gentle pressure to squeeze the edges together, and worked my way down the length of the frame. Once you're done, if the frame won't close properly that means you don't have it crimped together enough somewhere. It's much easier to crimp the frame onto the back side of the pocket first, then do the front because you have more room to maneuver the leather into the frame. Sorry this has been such a novel! Feel free to pm me if you have questions!

Wow! I'm so glad you got ahold of this bag and were able to bring to back from the edge. Washing a bag is one thing, but this is major surgery and I don't think I could have done this. No, I know I couldn't have. Congratulations on a job well done!
 
Hi everyone! I'm so glad I held out on that sad black Willis a couple weeks back. I was rewarded today with a dark gray Willis! I found her at Goodwill and had her authenticated and they told me she is from 1998. I'm going to post some before pictures, as I came home and immediately gave her a bath to try and lighten some pen marks. I hope they look better once dry. I did try alcohol on them...they lightened a little bit. Once she's mute dry I'll see if they need any more work. Any advice you all can give me regarding pen marks is greatly appreciated.

So excited to have a great Willis!

Thank for looking!

Looking forward to seeing how she turns out! I have one of these, same year, that I am going to work on soon. I can only work on 1 or 2 bags at a time.
 
Looking forward to seeing how she turns out! I have one of these, same year, that I am going to work on soon. I can only work on 1 or 2 bags at a time.

Very nice! Is yours gray too? I hear ya, it's easy to get overwhelmed with these rescues. I just washed 3 in one day. Getting them all conditioned has been challenging. Do far I've only managed to get 2 coats of Leather CPR on them.

I'm looking forward to seeing how yours turns out.
 
Very nice! Is yours gray too? I hear ya, it's easy to get overwhelmed with these rescues. I just washed 3 in one day. Getting them all conditioned has been challenging. Do far I've only managed to get 2 coats of Leather CPR on them.

I'm looking forward to seeing how yours turns out.

Mine is dark navy. I wasn't going to give it a bath, just a bit of cpr, but after seeing how much improvement there is overall in the other bags I washed I'm planning on a nice bath for her.
3 in one day! Nuts! I seem to make a bit of a mess with towels all over the place after I bathe a bag! :laugh:
 
There is a very detailed account of rehab on this EXACT bag, in this EXACT color - in this EXACT thread. If you read through the thread, you will find all the info you need, including history on the bag, rehab details, and tons of photos. AND I think you will be very excited about the prospects for your new find!

Thank you - I ended up bathing it and had no trouble. It turned out really nice. I put on several coats of Lexol and then finished with Blackrocks. I've used it a few times, too. The zipper is fine, not fragile. It was just dirty!
 

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Thank you - I ended up bathing it and had no trouble. It turned out really nice. I put on several coats of Lexol and then finished with Blackrocks. I've used it a few times, too. The zipper is fine, not fragile. It was just dirty!
It looks gorgeous! I'm wondering: does anyone actually use the kisslock pocket?
 
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