Chanel’s Rise & STALL: Defects, Difficulties & Deflection (formerly the 19 tote saga thread)

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#31
I’ve read the whole thread and I am just…bumped…wow… I mean, yes we all knew leather quality differs from season to season and here and there returns happen due to defects. But this….I am speechless.

Whole batches have to be fixed? Defects and returns in all bag categories? Now I see where the price increases come from…

like @EpiFanatic I wonder if the soft lambskin (of minis, top handle minis, pearl crush, trendy cc) is as easy to ‘manipulate’ or ‘fake’ as the seasonal plasticky caviar?????? :sad:
 
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TraceySH said:
This is a really good video taking apart different "leathers" and comparing to Chanel "leathers"

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Oh my goodness. I came across this video about a week ago. Funny there's plenty of comments on TPF platform that's trying to downplay these videos as click bait and over dramatization of issues with Chanel handbags/products.
I was going to tag you this video but I said to myself stay out of this and mind your own business. I think this person Chanel will eventually have her videos removed from off probably all social media platforms. She educated me on bonded leather which I never heard of this term until this video.
 
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mzbaglady1 said:
Oh my goodness. I came across this video about a week ago. Funny there's plenty of comments on TPF platform that's trying to downplay these videos as click bait and over dramatization of issues with Chanel handbags/products.
I was going to tag you this video but I said to myself stay out of this and mind your own business. I think this person Chanel will eventually have her videos removed from off probably all social media platforms. She educated me on bonded leather which I never heard of this term until this video.
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I mean I think most of us who really WANT to know things know about this video and the others. But regardless of that, there’s a small quorum of us who’ve been doing some really deep diving into things…. Between us we have a ton of connections & have uncovered so much. It’s not good. But Chanel loves to sue & tell tpf to take things down so even this thread might be short lived :shocked:
 
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#36
Tina1010 said:
A black classic I returned looked very plasticy to me.. similar to patent .. almost like it was coated with something. Just trying to understand if that's what you mean? And if I come across this again does this mean it's subpar quality of leather?
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For me when I purchase leather I want that feel of leather the smell of leather. I know what I'm getting when I purchase patent leather. But this other material that's plasticly? And the price is in the thousands of dollars???? I cannot answer for what someone else might accept subpar quality or not. When I purchase an item I want facts not an illusion or a fairytale.
 
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TraceySH said:
I don't think any of them are 100% leather. None of the 22's are 100% leather and I DO know that to be a fact. None of the 19's are 100% leather and I also know that to be a fact. I would imagine "good" and "bad" ones have more to do w/ which factory & failure of the chemical compounds than mixing up real vs not.
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None of the 19s are 100% leather? Can I ask where you got this info?
 
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TraceySH said:
No, I am sorry. I can't put other people's jobs/ livelihoods at risk by revealing that. BUT, a good idea would be to take one of yours to a leather expert and have them deconstruct it/ diagnose it. That's a good place to start...
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I hear you and I respect that. But it’s a pretty big statement to make. I have always been under the impression that the body of the bag and material in the chain (if applicable) are leather. They certainly smell like leather.

Hadn’t heard about the video linked above and I’ll check that out. I can’t see myself letting someone take my bags apart, however.
 
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OCMomof3 said:
I hear you and I respect that. But it’s a pretty big statement to make. I have always been under the impression that the body of the bag and material in the chain (if applicable) are leather. They certainly smell like leather.

Hadn’t heard about the video linked above and I’ll check that out.
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The tote I am referencing in this post is a 19 also. They are all made with the same "leather". I am not in any way saying the 19's don't have leather as a base, I am saying that they aren't 100% leather. If you go to BV, or Chloe, or even LV, any place else, you will find where they list "100% leather" or "100% lambskin". There's a reason they do this, because Prada, YSL, Chanel, etc ALL use adulterated leathers as a cheaper alternative to full grain leather.

There's another thread about all this here:

Most of our bags aren't 100% leather, do we even care?

So, I've had a suspicion for awhile that our bags are going the way of "chemically enhanced". That suspicion was borne out of studying, at first, Chanel's coco handle, the rubbing on the edges to brown, and the plasticky feel. When the 19 came out, it was insanely obvious that the leather wasn't...
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Here’s another good article ..

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What is Bonded Leather? A Controversial Alternative to Real Leather

Buying a leather backpack product is often an investment and an accomplishment. We are no longer talking about the classic, monotonous backpacks made of nylon and polyester that you used to wear to school, but your first stylish, quality backpack that is designed to last a lifetime. Before...
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DamierEbene said:
I’ve read the whole thread and I am just…bumped…wow… I mean, yes we all knew leather quality differs from season to season and here and there returns happen due to defects. But this….I am speechless.
Whole batches have to be fixed? Defects and returns in all bag categories? Now I see where the price increases come from…

like @EpiFanatic I wonder if the soft lambskin (of minis, top handle minis, pearl crush, trendy cc) is as easy to ‘manipulate’ or ‘fake’ as the seasonal plasticky caviar?????? :sad:
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I bought the 22B trendy CC and while I was at the boutique there was an indentation in the back pocket from the chain. Similiar to past lambskin leather, it buffed out. So I'm thinking its still lambskin. :huh: But who knows.
 
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JamaisAssez said:
This is also what ClassicsWithATwist alleges in her video. Have you confirmed this with someone at Chanel Tracey?
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They aren’t really allowed to talk too much, inferences only BUT REV classics are made in one of their oldest factories with the most trained artisans. I suspect that’s why the REV classics are the ones with the 5 year warranty.
 
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