Chanel’s Rise & STALL: Defects, Difficulties & Deflection (formerly the 19 tote saga thread)

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As this thread was started with a picture of a bag that appears to be bonded leather peeling after two short wears, and references the short comings on the 22 bag experiencing the same issues, lets focus on that. This is not the first time we are hearing of these issues, the peeling issues go back quite a few years. How is this 'quality'?

Yes, luxury, we all think luxury should mean better quality. You can research it anyway you want, but look it up, most luxury items from cars to bags are never proven to be 'better'. They are more exclusive yes and they are are way more costly. Cost is one of the main reasons luxury appeals to people. People feel better apparently the more they spend on items. I'm in the Chanel stores every month, and I have a large roster of SAs I converse with whom are close friends after years of buying. Hearing them talk on the subject has also opened my eyes. When is the last time you were sold a handbag because a SA or CA told you it was quality or so well designed you couldn't live without it?

Ive been buying bags for forty years plus and have been swayed by the luxury sector many times. I too have worked in the industry and to tell me my opinion is wrong is an opinion you are welcome to voice, but I'm certainly not ignorant or delusional. I have bought bags everywhere from actual designers in their studio's, to the smaller stores in Italy, to department stores and also Chanel, Hermes, LV etc. I do love my designers like many of us here. But I don't understand what we are buying into at a time when we think we are paying for hand crafting, luxurious leather, and rare materials, when in fact its anything but.

And Im going to stand by my opinion that a few Premier designers are LIKE Fast Fashion in that they are changing it up often, with a big price tag, and that there are some contemporary designers that would out perform their quality side by side. Because the contemporary designers are more easily accessed they are not as desirable and they do appeal to a different market.
 
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As this thread was started with a picture of a bag that appears to be bonded leather peeling after two short wears, and references the short comings on the 22 bag experiencing the same issues, lets focus on that. This is not the first time we are hearing of these issues, the peeling issues go back quite a few years. How is this 'quality'?

Yes, luxury we all think luxury should mean better quality. You can research it anyway you want, but look it up, most luxury items from cars to bags are never proven to be 'better'. They are more exclusive yes and they are are way more costly. Cost is one of the main reasons luxury appeals to people. People feel better apparently the more they spend on items. I'm in the Chanel stores every month, and I have a large roster of SAs in converse with whom are close friends after years of buying. Hearing them talk on the subject has also opened my eyes. When is the last time you were sold a handbag because a SA or CA told you it was quality or so well designed you couldn't live without it?

Ive been buying bags for forty years plus and have been swayed by the luxury sector many times. I too have worked in the industry and to tell me my opinion is wrong is an opinion you are welcome to voice, but I'm certainly not ignorant or delusional. I have bought bags everywhere from actual designers in their studio's, to the smaller stores in Italy, to department stores and also Chanel, Hermes, LV etc. I do love my designers like many of us here. But I don't understand what we are buying into in a time when we think we are paying for hand crafting, luxurious leather, and rare materials, when in fact its anything but.

And Im going to stand by my opinion that a few Premier designers are LIKE Fast Fashion in that they are changing it up often, with a big price tag, and that there are some contemporary designers that would out perform their quality side by side. Because the contemporary designers are more easily accessed they are not as desirable and they do appeal to a different market.
This is going to go even more out there OT, but we haven’t even taken into consideration that super fakes are now, in many instances, much better quality than the authentic items. One of the ways authenticators are differentiating counterfeit from authentic is that the counterfeit are exceptional quality. So there’s another mind blowing tangent. “If it’s too good, it’s not authentic”. Not in every instance, but this is a common topic nowadays in sellers forums.
 
As this thread was started with a picture of a bag that appears to be bonded leather peeling after two short wears, and references the short comings on the 22 bag experiencing the same issues, lets focus on that. This is not the first time we are hearing of these issues, the peeling issues go back quite a few years. How is this 'quality'?

Yes, luxury we all think luxury should mean better quality. You can research it anyway you want, but look it up, most luxury items from cars to bags are never proven to be 'better'. They are more exclusive yes and they are are way more costly. Cost is one of the main reasons luxury appeals to people. People feel better apparently the more they spend on items. I'm in the Chanel stores every month, and I have a large roster of SAs in converse with whom are close friends after years of buying. Hearing them talk on the subject has also opened my eyes. When is the last time you were sold a handbag because a SA or CA told you it was quality or so well designed you couldn't live without it?

Ive been buying bags for forty years plus and have been swayed by the luxury sector many times. I too have worked in the industry and to tell me my opinion is wrong is an opinion you are welcome to voice, but I'm certainly not ignorant or delusional. I have bought bags everywhere from actual designers in their studio's, to the smaller stores in Italy, to department stores and also Chanel, Hermes, LV etc. I do love my designers like many of us here. But I don't understand what we are buying into in a time when we think we are paying for hand crafting, luxurious leather, and rare materials, when in fact its anything but.

And Im going to stand by my opinion that a few Premier designers are Fast Fashion with a big price tag, and that there are some contemporary designers that would out perform their quality side by side. Because the contemporary designers are more easily accessed they are not as desirable and they do appeal to a different market.
You’re referring to one bag or two bags that clearly have an issue. As someone who’s been buying Chanel for over 15 years, and as a TPF member for over half my life, I’ve never seen or heard anything like this. So you’re going to instantly dismiss a brand as fast fashion who has been around for over 100 years because of this current problem? I think the fact that many think that no company can ever make a mistake is unrealistic.

And I won’t go on with how I feel about luxury fashion or bags as I’ve overstated my opinions. But in reference to cars, sure, a Prius can get me around from Point A to B. It does it’s job. But to say it’s equal to my Volvo SUV is inaccurate. I know what I’m paying for with a luxury vehicle - I see it every day in the materials and handling of the car, the features, etc. Driving a Prius feels like I’m driving a toy car in comparison.
 
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This is going to go even more out there OT, but we haven’t even taken into consideration that super fakes are now, in many instances, much better quality than the authentic items. One of the ways authenticators are differentiating counterfeit from authentic is that the counterfeit are exceptional quality. So there’s another mind blowing tangent. “If it’s too good, it’s not authentic”. Not in every instance, but this is a common topic nowadays in sellers forums.
Saying super fakes are better than authentic items is laughable. Judging from photos alone do not count as they’re very deceptive. I’ve never seen a fake in person and thought, wow, that looks so close to the real thing. In person there are so many details a seasoned luxury bag owner can spot, especially with specific bags.
 
Saying super fakes are better than authentic items is laughable. Judging from photos alone do not count as they’re very deceptive. I’ve never seen a fake in person and thought, wow, that looks so close to the real thing. In person there are so many details a seasoned luxury bag owner can spot, especially with specific bags.
I would say for sure then you might get up to speed on this. When this topic is covered by some of the largest buyers and authenticators in the world, dare I say they might have more expertise than you. Or maybe they could use your help with their professional deficiencies?
 
You’re referring to one bag or two bags that clearly have an issue. As someone who’s been buying Chanel for over 10 years, and as a TPF member for over half my life, I’ve never seen or heard anything like this. So you’re going to instantly dismiss a brand as fast fashion who has been around for over 100 years because of this current problem? I think the fact that many think that no company can ever make a mistake is unrealistic.

And I won’t go on with how I feel about luxury fashion or bags. But in reference to cars, sure, a Prius can get me around from Point A to B. It does it’s job. But to say it’s equal to my Volvo SUV is inaccurate. I know what I’m paying for with a luxury vehicle - I see it every day in the materials and handling of the car, the features, etc. It’s a similar comparison to everything that’s been discussed here.
Ok. So I don’t consider Volvo a luxury car but my husband‘s backup car is a Volvo and it’s just fine. So I can respectfully agree to disagree.
 
You’re referring to one bag or two bags that clearly have an issue. As someone who’s been buying Chanel for over 15 years, and as a TPF member for over half my life, I’ve never seen or heard anything like this. So you’re going to instantly dismiss a brand as fast fashion who has been around for over 100 years because of this current problem? I think the fact that many think that no company can ever make a mistake is unrealistic.

And I won’t go on with how I feel about luxury fashion or bags as I’ve overstated my opinions. But in reference to cars, sure, a Prius can get me around from Point A to B. It does it’s job. But to say it’s equal to my Volvo SUV is inaccurate. I know what I’m paying for with a luxury vehicle - I see it every day in the materials and handling of the car, the features, etc. Driving a Prius feels like I’m driving a toy car in comparison.
I would say I’ve had over the years about 40-45 severely defective Chanel bags… so about 7%?
 
You’re referring to one bag or two bags that clearly have an issue. As someone who’s been buying Chanel for over 15 years, and as a TPF member for over half my life, I’ve never seen or heard anything like this. So you’re going to instantly dismiss a brand as fast fashion who has been around for over 100 years because of this current problem? I think the fact that many think that no company can ever make a mistake is unrealistic.

And I won’t go on with how I feel about luxury fashion or bags as I’ve overstated my opinions. But in reference to cars, sure, a Prius can get me around from Point A to B. It does it’s job. But to say it’s equal to my Volvo SUV is inaccurate. I know what I’m paying for with a luxury vehicle - I see it every day in the materials and handling of the car, the features, etc. Driving a Prius feels like I’m driving a toy car in comparison.
Not dismissing the brand entirely as I love their vintage and older season bags. Something took a wrong turn a few years ago. I continue to look at items, and thought about buying the new 22 but changed my mind after confirming with my SA what it was made of etc. I do hope they get things together, I miss the quality I used to see in the 2008 -15 timeframe.
 
ETA: pre 2008, when I switched to Hermes, I owned at least 30 chanel bags (given to me by my mom or purchased by me retail) mainly lambskin bc I was not crazy about caviar. I have only kept a few, and I’m in the minority on TPF as not seeing much diff in quality from back then and the ones I bought. My last was a calf skin in 2020. So black mini chevron reissue

I'm right there with you! I prefer lamb all day and I have had no quality issues in any of mine; I've been buying since about 2003.
I've bought 5 in the last 3 months, they're all delicious in my opinion, which is the only one that matters to me lol
 
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I'm right there with you! I prefer lamb all day and I have had no quality issues in any of mine; I've been buying since about 2003.
I've bought 5 in the last 3 months, they're all delicious in my opinion, which is the only one that matters to me lol
We are apparently the tiniest minority on TPF currently :hugs: I did stop from 2008-2020 bc of the Hermes rabbit hole :smile:
its kind of like mini skirts. I thought I was over them, and chanel too. . . And yet here we are :smile:

I did think the chanel 19 tote looked quite nice (it was sitting next to a small pile of RTW. When I lifted it up (my SA was like, why are you handling it like it’s about to break lol ) I did not tell her about this thread.

ETA: I have always preferred reissues, seasonals, and cute fun things that don’t hold value :doh: :biggrin::biggrin: But, it’s never occurred to me to examine several or even one so closely, in fact my dior SA burst out laughing bc I told him once I don’t mind a display model or one without protective blah, blah, bc I feel sorry for those bags

@gail13 , re your comment below re a member who went through six, I think you are very sweet. But, if someone cannot find one out of six, perhaps the brand cannot adequately service her needs or expectations. (I told her my opinion on that thread).
 
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Not dismissing the brand entirely as I love their vintage and older season bags. Something took a wrong turn a few years ago. I continue to look at items, and thought about buying the new 22 but changed my mind after confirming with my SA what it was made of etc. I do hope they get things together, I miss the quality I used to see in the 2008 -15 timeframe.
You’re definitely entitled to your opinion. The last few years I’ve purchased a Cocodile Gabrielle, mini caviar with top handle, a few backpacks, a couple 19’s in goatskin, a seasonal flap, a WOC. All are incredibly well made and I didn’t have to look through several (meaning more than 2 to 3), often not even having a choice to choose, which is drastically different from my experience purchasing 5 years ago. I have also heard SA’s and influencers talking about noticeable quality with these bags as well.

I’ve seen vintage Chanel bags made incredibly well, and I’ve also seen some with cheap interior linings that many of us would never find acceptable today.

We all have different experiences but I’ve actually noticed improved quality with many bags.
 
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I'm right there with you! I prefer lamb all day and I have had no quality issues in any of mine; I've been buying since about 2006.
I've bought 5 in the last 3 months, they're all delicious in my opinion, which is the only one that matters to me lol
Thats good! Most of the quality issues I have seen are on the seasonal bags. I do not agree with counting the stitches and examining bags under 8x magnification.Nothing is going to be perfect.

I know there is a thread on this forum from a member who bought a new classic flap and the inside was pretty badly scuffed/scratched and the SA's dismissed her as being too picky really. It was maybe the 6th bag? she had tried to find for herself and I know she is frustrated. I felt badly for her, it should not be hard to find a 'good one'.
 
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