Buyer doesn't want to pay customs charges. Please help!

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Im so sorry to hear about this, ive been following the story/thread for some time. I will definately put a disclaimer on the bottom of the item description. Not that that seams to work though.
Disclaimers are definitely good. I think they weed out at least *some* of the problem buyers. Of course my lunatic buyer claims my terms of sale were too daunting, so who knows? It's worth a shot, though, so I say add a disclaimer to anything you sell.
 
Okay ... for anyone that's stuck with me this far (and I thank you for that) here are today's communications between the buyer and me.

First, my response to his email (posted earlier):
I have received your message & I'm glad you have contacted eBay on your end. I think it's best if they are kept apprised of this ongoing situation.

I would very much appreciate it if you would stop referring to my item as second-hand. It is a brand-new, 100% authentic Chanel piece, which was shipped to you in the original box with the sales receipt. It is in no way second-hand, used, or sub-par, and any suggestion therein is inaccurate, and quite frankly, offensive.

The bottom-line is that you failed to read the terms of my auction. eBay UK's sympathy and My Poupette's shipping policies really have no bearing on the matter at hand. My shipping policies were made quite clear in the listing, and your failure to follow them is at issue. If you did not wish to adhere to the terms of my auction, you should not have purchased my item.

I have not yet received my item, as it is still being held by Parcel Force awaiting payment of customs charges. If and when I receive the item back, assuming that it is still in new condition and has not been damaged, your refund will be processed through PayPal less S&H and eBay final value fees.


And his response to the above:
I thank you for acknowledging receipt of my message. I wish to clarify my position as regards two issues. First, despite the daunting density of your terms of sale, I'd like to affirm that I did read your customs clause, but due to its phrasing assumed it applied to those outside of the UK/Canada remit. If you re-read your own words on the matter I'm confident you would agree with me. Second, I certainly did not mean to cause any offense when referring to the item as 'second-hand'. The term needn't be taken as a slight. It simply refers to an item purchased from a private seller. The negative inference would perhaps be more pertinent if I'd said 'used', which I didn't. As for your item still being held at the Parcelforce North London depot, I telephoned them prior to this message (I had originally called them on the 24th) to ask why that is and a lady named Natasha apologised for her colleague Adrian's tardiness in processing the item and assured me it would be out immediately.

And finally, my response:
Thank you for your message. To be honest with you, I see no need for us to continue this back and forth debate. I imagine that eBay will sort this out on our behalf when (and if) the agenda is returned to me.

While I appreciate your clarification of the "second-hand" terminology I still find it pejorative. If you wish to acknowledge that the item was purchased from a private seller, than it would be more appropriate to designate it as such, rather than to label the item "second-hand." Either way, this is a non-issue with regards to your failure to complete the transaction as agreed upon.

I, of course, do not agree with your assertion that my customs clause does not apply to buyers in the UK or Canada. There is no indication of such in my listing. If you found my terms of sale to be "daunting" and/or "dense" you should have emailed me for clarification *prior* to purchasing my item. If you were unclear about my shipping policy and your responsibilities with respect to customs charges, you should have emailed me for clarification *prior* to purchasing my item. Finally, if the terms of sale (daunting) or not, were not to your liking, you should not have purchased the item! The bottom-line is that you have failed to fulfill your responsibility to complete the transaction, per the terms of your agreement with me and the terms of sale set forth by eBay. Regardless of what you were confused about, or what you are unhappy with, or what other sellers have done for you in the past, nothing changes the simple fact that you have not fulfilled your responsibility as an eBay buyer in this particular transaction.

I appreciate your information re: ParcelForce. I have also been in contact with them on several occasions, and I have had them provide me with detailed information in writing. As I stated earlier, when and if the agenda is returned to me, I will let you know.


I really have no desire to continue this back and forth, but *bay told me that I have to continue communicating with him, if only to acknowledge receipt of his messages. I'm not sure why, but I don't want to take any chances in case this is escalated to a dispute. I've printed copies of everything - the listing, all messages between us, the information I rcv'd from *bay and PayP and Parcel Force. Is there anything else anyone things I need to protect myself??
 
Believe me - I would ecstatically refund his money if only I could get my item back. Unfortunately, it's still be held hostage by Customs in the UK.

Interestingly, I got a message from *bay today reminding me to leave feedback for the transaction b/c I only have 13 days left to leave fb. Does this mean that after 13 days, he can't leave me fb either? Also, the listing says I only have 13 days to open a case (to report a problem with the transaction). Is he held to the same timeframe?
yes he is held to the same time frame......so this has been going on that long nearly 60days????? thats what i was told you cant do anything after 60 days, and they cant help you...good luck x
 
choo_girl123....can i say your letter writing is amazing, you deserve an award my dear....your patience in this is just beyond......you so deserve to get this buyer....i only hope karma will prevail xxx
 
yes he is held to the same time frame......so this has been going on that long nearly 60days????? thats what i was told you cant do anything after 60 days, and they cant help you...good luck x
Hmm ... well the sale date was 10/30, so that's only about 30 or so days, right? I wonder if I have less time then the buyer, b/c I just checked the page again and it says I have 12 days left to open a case. Maybe I only have 45 days?
 
choo_girl123....can i say your letter writing is amazing, you deserve an award my dear....your patience in this is just beyond......you so deserve to get this buyer....i only hope karma will prevail xxx
Why thank you! I'm just trying to cover my you know what in case this gets to the dispute phase, although with any luck, the package will come back to me intact and I can just refund his money less s&h and FVF and we can be done with this. Even *I'm* bored at this point & it's my issue!! :yes:
 
I can't understand why they are happy to lose out on shipping and final value fees when they could just bite the bullet and pay the 40 or so pounds?? Seriously if they are buying thousand dollar trunks surely they aren't that strapped for cash?

It's just beyond me...
 
^ITA - it makes no sense. The only thing I can come up with is that he's having a case of buyer's remorse, and rather than admit that, he's made the customs fees into a much bigger issue than they are (I'm sure they played a role in his remorse, but I don't believe that they are the be all end all).
 
Today's communications ...
It is quite interesting how you bemoan the futility of the back and forth yet continue and propagate it. Ms. Abramson, please be aware that whilst you may have convinced yourself that you're the wronged party, it is I who has paid you money in good faith and I who is hitherto bereft of that money as well as the item I bid on.

Note also that it is incumbent upon you as the seller -not upon me as the buyer- to clarify opaque terms of sale, and I will take no responsibility for meanings inferred or intentions misinterpreted. Having said that, I'm quite aware that misunderstandings such as this do, from time to time, arise. That's quite acceptable. What I take great umbrage at and will not accept, however, is being addressed discourteously and condescendingly. It would have beseemed you, in trying to reach a cordial conclusion to this affair, to have maintained a modicum of civility when corresponding with me.
To that end, please cease communications until the item's return. Thank you.


And my reply:
First, let me apologize to you. My intention was not be discourteous or condescending, and I am sorry if you have misinterpreted my communications as such. And while I would very much like to cease communication with you, eBay has informed me that I must respond to your emails in a timely fashion, for my protection.

I realize that you paid me good money in faith, and that you are currently without the item. However, it is important to note that you are without the item because you failed to pick it up from customs. You are without the item and without your money by your own doing; I fulfilled my obligation by shipping the item to you on the very same day I received payment.

The reason I feel like the wronged party in this case, is because I have upheld my end of our agreement, while you refused to complete the transaction. eBay's policy for international shipment is as follows:
Customs is a government agency responsible for regulating shipments entering a country or region. All shipments being sent to and from a country or region must clear customs first. The seller needs to provide the correct documentation so that your item won't be held indefinitely by customs. Be prepared to pay fees for customs and/or duties. It is against the law to ask your seller to mark an international product as a gift or for a lesser value.

You say that it is my responsibility as a seller to clarify opaque terms of sale, however, I'm unclear as to the opaque terms you are referring to. My listing clearly stated the following:
Please note: you are responsible for any government taxes or tariffs. For our mutual protection, customs forms will be marked with an accurate value for you item.

I don't believe that this statement is open to interpretation, and as it is in line with the eBay policy that governs *all* international transactions, I wouldn't expect it to require clarification.

Again, I apologize if you feel I was discourteous. I just want this situation resolved.


Is he kidding me with this? He's the wronged party because he's without the item?? I shipped it! If he would pick it up he could have his item!! And it's my responsibility to clarify opaque terms of sale? How are my terms opaque?? :mad::mad::mad:

Is there any kind of a case I can open against this buyer? I assume I can't go with UPI since he paid. Is there anything else? I'm desperate!!!
 
Is he kidding me with this? He's the wronged party because he's without the item?? I shipped it! If he would pick it up he could have his item!! And it's my responsibility to clarify opaque terms of sale? How are my terms opaque?? :mad::mad::mad:

Is there any kind of a case I can open against this buyer? I assume I can't go with UPI since he paid. Is there anything else? I'm desperate!!!

Oh boy, he is really something!! The way he words his messages is a riot, though I know it is not a laughing matter. You are responding to him perfectly, hang in there! :tup:

Linda
 
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He seems to be increasing his vocabulary with every email in an attempt to confuse. Above: Not words normally encountered through eBay messages ;)
My advice is to you is to tell the guy that attempting to dodge VAT in the UK through false customs declarations is a felony on the 'importing end' if the buyer is either directly or indirectly involved.

In which case he is, since he has requested the $50 + Gift declaration.
 
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