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#526
bababebi said:
It's a bit off topic but I don't agree with this. It's quite clear what is fake and real to an experienced authenticator. Certainty is not the issue. The sad thing is that the manufacturers can't tell because they don't follow it and don't have the time or knowledge to train staff to spot fakes. And so it's known that fakes will pass inspection. It's only as good as the weakest link in the chain. I am very disappointed at the state of affairs at these venerable companies in this regard.
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So by this theory, it's the design houses themselves that are the problem, not professional, fully qualified, top notch authenticators.
I disagree with most of your theories because when working of only photographs, an authenticator does not have the ability to touch the item, nor smell the item. Two senses that can also make or break authenticating an item accurately. If your service has the ability to put the item right into your hands, then great. Most of us don't have that option, hence the inexact nature of authentication.
 
#527
Prada Psycho said:
So by this theory, it's the design houses themselves that are the problem, not professional, fully qualified, top notch authenticators.
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I would not explain what is happening that way. I don't call it a problem, it is just a description of what happens in the real world.

Internal education at some houses has not kept pace with the standard of top quality fake bags, and that is well known in the market. Not my problem. The problem is that people who make them know it and exploit it. I don't expect it to change unfortunately.

A top quality Hermes fake will smell and feel the same. There will be very small issues with the bag that I will not discuss further and can really only be seen clearly with a photo. I guess we will just have to disagree.
 
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#530
bababebi said:
You might find this interesting if you have not heard about it. I only know what I have read here:

http://www.entrupy.com

Also to see that some well known sellers are using and endorsing it.
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That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen! How long before they get into the hands of counterfeiters who load "so-called authentic" photos into the program? Where does this company get its photos of authentic bags to put in it's program? This thing is laughable and any seller that puts their reputation at stake based on what that machine shows them is a seller *I* would never shop with.

There's nothing that's going to substitute a professional authenticator, because it's the eyes of the authenticator that has to make the final decision, not some gadget. People are entirely too dependent on gizmos, gadgets and "apps" these day as it is.
 
#531
The problem to me is, who is it to say who is a credible authenticator? Authentication is a matter of opinion, no matter how you look at it. So you set up a database to host "authenticate" photos, who has the authority to say those photos are indeed "authentic" if they are NOT directly coming from the people who make the items themselves, in this case the designer houses. Unless the houses are willing or corporate, endorse and supply such photo database and with prove to me they have done so, who is there to guarantee?
 
#532
That's actually pretty funny (the Entrupy site). It won't be long before fakers break Entrupy's code and figure out how to make their fake bags scan "right" by altering their materials.

As far as the ongoing debate, no one is infallable. No one. Even the very knowledgeable Chanel authentication services have given up on some newer series. As the fakes become more "super" the design houses will have to come up with better internal coding, security markings, whatever, to combat the "supers."
 
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#533
caannie said:
As far as the ongoing debate, no one is infallable. No one. Even the very knowledgeable Chanel authentication services have given up on some newer series.
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I'd be the last authenticator on the planet to admit I'm perfect. Anyone who does authentication and claims to be 100% accurate is deluding not only themselves but their clients as well.
 
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#534
My remarks are nothing to do with who is or is not a good authenticator.

My point is that the design houses themselves are not able to identify their own products due to the sophistication of the counterfeits around. And it is not surprising. The level of training and time involved is almost impossible.

Quite a different thing altogether. And very saddening indeed.
 
#535
bababebi said:
It's a bit off topic but I don't agree with this. It's quite clear what is fake and real to an experienced authenticator. Certainty is not the issue. The sad thing is that the manufacturers can't tell because they don't follow it and don't have the time or knowledge to train staff to spot fakes. And so it's known that fakes will pass inspection. It's only as good as the weakest link in the chain. I am very disappointed at the state of affairs at these venerable companies in this regard.
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While I understand what you are saying, and that it is the retail
staff who are not up to date on counterfeits vs authentic.

When an Hermes bag reaches the Leather Craftsmen/ Atelier in Paris,
they will be able to tell the difference, where as the sales staff
is just not trained in what to look for.

So really, I would think that a Chanel, Hermes or a Louis Vuitton counterfeit would be spotted
by the people who do the actual repairs.

Perhaps I am wrong...
 
#536
JustAgUrL said:
While I understand what you are saying, and that it is the retail
staff who are not up to date on counterfeits vs authentic.

When an Hermes bag reaches the Leather Craftsmen/ Atelier in Paris,
they will be able to tell the difference, where as the sales staff
is just not trained in what to look for.

So really, I would think that a Chanel, Hermes or a Louis Vuitton counterfeit would be spotted
by the people who do the actual repairs.

Perhaps I am wrong...
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Perhaps.
 
#538
JustAgUrL said:
While I understand what you are saying, and that it is the retail
staff who are not up to date on counterfeits vs authentic.

When an Hermes bag reaches the Leather Craftsmen/ Atelier in Paris,
they will be able to tell the difference, where as the sales staff
is just not trained in what to look for.

So really, I would think that a Chanel, Hermes or a Louis Vuitton counterfeit would be spotted
by the people who do the actual repairs.

Perhaps I am wrong...
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While I do agree that the majority of SA's do not have the knowledge to
spot a fake nor should they as that is not their job. They are trained to sell
these bags & perhaps one might be lucky to come across a SA who will
spot a fake & say so. But I have a feeling that the SA's are being asked not
to provide any information one way or another.

If a bag needs to be repaired, it can be taken in for any necessary repairs.
If it is deemed fake, it is returned.

My understanding is that for a time, when a H bag would be brought
in for repair, it would go back to the craftsman whose mark was on the bag.
I would also think many of those craftsmen may no longer be with H due to
retirement perhaps or something else, but H is very capable of "recognizing their merchandise"
& would think Chanel, Prada, LV, Gucci, etc would be able to recognize
their bags by certain details, etc once it goes back to their repair facility.

Authenticators are a great source to have access to but they also have made mistakes
as we have seen on the forum.
 
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#539
JustAgUrL said:
While I understand what you are saying, and that it is the retail
staff who are not up to date on counterfeits vs authentic.

When an Hermes bag reaches the Leather Craftsmen/ Atelier in Paris,
they will be able to tell the difference, where as the sales staff
is just not trained in what to look for.

So really, I would think that a Chanel, Hermes or a Louis Vuitton counterfeit would be spotted
by the people who do the actual repairs.

Perhaps I am wrong...
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I wouldn't think you were wrong at all. It is the Atelier houses that hold the history and designs of these bags. I couldn't imagine for a second, any Atelier receiving a bag for a repair and no recognising a fake.

The main reason being that no matter how good the fakers get, they are never going to spend the money on producing a fake as good as the original, as it wouldn't be worth their time financially.
 
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