AUTHENTICATE this COACH
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Seller doesn't state it in the listing, I know she's a tPFer because she authenticates here all the time. I wouldn't risk it if I wasn't sure. Thanks for your concern.
Thanks Hyacinth. I can live without it as long as the rest of it is authentic, but I will ask seller if she has it.
yeah - I did catch a couple fakes on my own and thought these 5 were good,
thanks for confirmation. Love you guys!
DISCLAIMER: I don't know whether any of these are authentic or not.
I found this listing with the same J5L-9950 serial number and although I don't see the same puffiness on the creed, the font is also kind of stretched out (for lack of a better term).
http://www.etsy.com/listing/97890023/coach-janice-legacy-black-leather-hobo
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This might help with comparisons.
I couldn't find another Janice bag (except the Etsy one) with the same prefix, but I found two other bags with J5L as the prefix and the fonts and spacing look very different from the orange bag and from the Etsy bag.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-9893-...459?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item33899f4873
and the creed from ^^^^ that one:
And this listing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Lunch...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
And its creed -- notice the very different font than above AND different from the orange one:
This listing describes the J5L but doesn't show the creed:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-C...111?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2c7c0cb32f
I saw that lunch box zip listed earlier today. I am convinced it is fake. I have concerns about the bag on Etsy. The grommets really look silver. The top of the pocket inside the bag doesn't look right but it could be the angle of the photo. The zipper pull stitching is sloppy. The scooter bag looks good and the font of the creed matches an authentic one I have in my records.
I just saw my first bag with the Donated stamp on it today. I had no idea what it meant.
Of course after I got the negs I sent each person a long message and even offered to still take the bags back for a full refund, one was almost 2 months ago. Not getting anywhere, no responses.You did everything you could - the wackos just seem to find you. Did you answer the Neg by saying that the measurements were in the listing? And remember to keep your BBL up to date. A few sellers put a ruler in their photos but then either buyers want the ruler included with the bag, or they can't figure out the difference between the INCHES and CENTIMETERS sides.
Ebay used to help in cases of undeserved Negatives but that seems to have almost disappeared too.
I wonder if TXGAL8701 will try relisting the fake? Isn't it amazing that someone who claims to know about Coach and what real Coaches feel like doesn't even know the most basic and unbreakable Rule about Coach authenticity - that Coach bags were never made in Korea? So much for her "expertise".
Right after that second neg I went through my entire inventory of listed items and did a check on every single person currently bidding. I ended up removing TWO ebayers' bids who had a history of leaving undeserved negs (you can tell when someone has 5 negs and 2 positives given out that they have a problem ) and put as the reason "misuse and abuse of the ebay feedback system". From now on I will continue to monitor my bidders and block them. It's not foolproof but I can honestly say that the two that recently dinged me had bad histories. I wont' block someone just because they might have left neg feedback - just the problem buyers.
I am also going to retire my mannequin - I get so many good comments from people that love seeing the bag on her, but she is very skinny and most people are not, so maybe that will help. Will also use a ruler, that's a good idea, thanks! (Do people really ask for the ruler? LOL)
Good to sound off here cuz my husband usually gets the brunt of my tirade!
As far as I know, and from past experience, they call it "freedom of speech" or give the reason that they can't censor people's comments.But of course that only applies to buyers, sellers have no rights to say what they feel - they remove an negative comments you might leave for a buyer. I'm sure that it is illegal, but would not know where to start.
In both instances it is obvious from looking at the listings that the measurements were given correctly (twice, once in item specifics and again in the body of my description). I know that anyone who reads the neg comments will realize how ridiculous the buyers were, but we all know it really hurts a seller in so many ways.
Let's end it on a positive note...
One thing I do know for sure though, is that thanks to everyone here I was SAVED from listing a couple of fake bags that had me fooled!
Coach had and apparently still has a product donation program. The stamp must be used so the bags can't be returned to the stores for cash or credit. I haven't seen it in newer bags but it's shown up in quite a few classics from the 1990s.
From the very bottom of their website's FAQs page:
34.Does Coach make product donations to schools, places of worship, etc.?
Due to the overwhelming demand for Coach charitable product donations, we have to limit the types of organizations we can support and requests we can satisfy. Therefore we tend to focus our donations on broader-reaching programs such as organizations that help the homeless and those which research and support certain health care initiatives. If you’d like your charity to be considered for a donation, please send a letter along with the pertinent information on the charity to “Coach Product Donations” 516 West 34th Street, New York, NY 10001 or via e-mail to [email protected]
dear expert, might i ask is this bag authentic!? many thx!!!
Item name: COACH MEN'S CROSBY LEATHER COMMUTER OAK COLOR STYLE #: F70478 MSRP: $598.00
Item number: 181309863816
Seller: rcaridad-2012
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181309863816&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
more photos attached. thx
Item name: COACH MEN'S CROSBY LEATHER COMMUTER OAK COLOR STYLE #: F70478 MSRP: $598.00
Item number: 181309863816
Seller: rcaridad-2012
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=181309863816&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
more photos attached. thx
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A better picture of the whole creed patch and serial number would help. The strap on several pictures of the one you're asking about isn't the same as the ones on the other listed bags in that style. It could have been swapped, or maybe it was changed some time during production by Coach, but because the seller has stolen several of Coach's copyright-protected website photos and the first two photos show the standard dog-leash clip and not the kind shown in the other photos, I'm questioning whether the other photos can be trusted too.
The bottom two are collage-types that can be from either legitimate OR fakes-selling websites, so the listing includes photos stolen from Coach and photos stolen from another unknown site, both with dog-leash clips, and two pictures in the middle with a completely different set of clips AND a strap that doesn't even look as if it matches the color of the bag - in fact the bag color itself doesn't match either the top or bottom set of photos.
Not only is it illegal to use a company's copyrighted photos and graphics, but when a seller has a perfectly good camera, there's no reason to. And there's no way to tell which pictures, if any, were actually taken by the seller OR which bag you'd actually receive, if any of them.
There's no way I can authenticate or recommend that bag. And we always recommend avoiding buying from sellers who don't take their own photos.
More opinions are welcome
As far as I know, and from past experience, they call it "freedom of speech" or give the reason that they can't censor people's comments.But of course that only applies to buyers, sellers have no rights to say what they feel - they remove an negative comments you might leave for a buyer. I'm sure that it is illegal, but would not know where to start.
In both instances it is obvious from looking at the listings that the measurements were given correctly (twice, once in item specifics and again in the body of my description). I know that anyone who reads the neg comments will realize how ridiculous the buyers were, but we all know it really hurts a seller in so many ways.
Let's end it on a positive note...
One thing I do know for sure though, is that thanks to everyone here I was SAVED from listing a couple of fake bags that had me fooled!
If buyers have "freedom of speech" it's discrimanatory to deny sellers the same freedom. (We'll leave aside for the moment that freedom of speech applies to public criticism of the government rather than some wacko buyer trying to force a seller to give them a full or partial refund without having to return the item, but you know what I'm saying. Freedom of Speech and Extortion are NOT the same thing).
If Ebay claims they're protecting buyers' freedom of speech, their lawyers must have completely run out of legal buzzwords that they can use as excuses - like the classic "we're just a venue". Their excuses get more half-fast every year.
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Without even commenting on authenticity, I'll go a step further to comment on my opinion and (non)-recommendation of the seller, rcaridad-2012.
IMO, this seller not only steals Coach's copyrighted pictures but also steals other pictures, photoshopping the backgrounds out of the pictures in a lame attempt to disguise the infringement.
For example, his listing for L.A.M.B shoes uses pictures taken from this blog:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/L-A-M-B-Ine...dge-Sandals-/171238694311?hash=item27de9f1da7
One source of picture:
Scroll about 1/3 way down: http://jenclydestylist.com/2012/06
This listing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Mens-...1?pt=US_CSA_MWA_Backpacks&hash=item27de7c1c35
At least 2 of the pictures are stolen from Coach and one source of several other pictures:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/698-NWT-Coa...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Other listings use pictures that don't show the seller's actual items and i wouldn't buy from this seller.
Well, isn't this interesting.
Azuremerekat has posted about her J5L-9991 lunch box tote on the ebay purse board. Her listing(s) were pulled.
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