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[whateve]

Item: NWT COACH DAISY OUTLINE SIGNATURE MIA F24064 SV/KHAKI/BRIGHT MAGENTA MSRP $298*
Listing number: 121228518860
Seller:*5_star_shopping
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121228518860?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: other than the mising creed (shes sending me a pic) what do you think? My mom bought me this one (http://www.amazon.com/Coach-24064-M...=1388255586&sr=8-1&keywords=coach+magenta+mia) which is obviously fake and I found this one to replace. Whats throwing me off is the mismatched Cs on the right back side is this normal at all? Or could it just be angle?

First of all, why do you feel the one from Amazon is fake? And if it IS fake, your mother should demand a full refund from the seller, instead of you throwing good money after bad to replace it. Please post a clear readable photo of the creed patch and serial number of the one you already have.

I noticed the mismatched Cs on the back on the one on Amazon. About half of those on ebay also have mismatched Cs. Coach isn't always consistent about matching on the backs of bags. We would need a creed picture to determine authenticity, as Hyacinth said.

ETA: The C's are lined up horizontally and centered on the back panel. They just don't match the C's on the side panel. I don't think Coach intentionally tried to match them with the side panels. I think it is a fluke when they do match.

 

[daniej87]

First of all, why do you feel the one from Amazon is fake? And if it IS fake, your mother should demand a full refund from the seller, instead of you throwing good money after bad to replace it. Please post a clear readable photo of the creed patch and serial number of the one you already have.

all of the logos on the one from Amazon are mismatched majorly also when looking it up online it seems like this is the commonly sold bag in multiple quantities and all the pictures except for two listings the logo are mismatched (not to mention they are stock photos) so I'm assuming that this bag is counterfeited quite a bit I have attached the pictures of the bag from Amazon as requested I included ones of the sides bottom as well as the creed. Im new to coach this would be my first one ever so I just want to be sure its authentic.

 

[whateve]

all of the logos on the one from Amazon are mismatched majorly also when looking it up online it seems like this is the commonly sold bag in multiple quantities and all the pictures except for two listings the logo are mismatched (not to mention they are stock photos) so I'm assuming that this bag is counterfeited quite a bit I have attached the pictures of the bag from Amazon as requested I included ones of the sides bottom as well as the creed. Im new to coach this would be my first one ever so I just want to be sure its authentic.
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Just because a bag is commonly sold doesn't mean it is often counterfeited. In this case, it means the bag was made for factory stores in large quantities. A lot of independent ebay and other sellers make a living by buying bags at factory stores and reselling them. Your bag looks authentic.

 

[daniej87]

Just because a bag is commonly sold doesn't mean it is often counterfeited. In this case, it means the bag was made for factory stores in large quantities. A lot of independent ebay and other sellers make a living by buying bags at factory stores and reselling them. Your bag looks authentic.

So are you thinking the ebay one is counterfit then? Ive read so many how to tell a fake websites and they all said lined up Cs and I guess it threw me off. Plus they said look out for stock photos and multiples sold :-/

 

[whateve]

So are you thinking the ebay one is counterfit then? Ive read so many how to tell a fake websites and they all said lined up Cs and I guess it threw me off. Plus they said look out for stock photos and multiples sold :-/

I don't see any obvious fakes in any of the ebay listings. Just because a seller sells multiples doesn't make the bags counterfeit. The factory stores will let sellers buy at least 3 of the same thing. We recommend against buying from listings that use stock photos because you have no idea what you would actually end up with. The lined up C rule doesn't work in every case. Other than buying Coach from a Coach store or department store that sells Coach (all authorized retailers are listed on Coach.com), the next safest place to buy Coach online is ebay.

 

[Hyacinth]

all of the logos on the one from Amazon are mismatched majorly also when looking it up online it seems like this is the commonly sold bag in multiple quantities and all the pictures except for two listings the logo are mismatched (not to mention they are stock photos) so I'm assuming that this bag is counterfeited quite a bit I have attached the pictures of the bag from Amazon as requested I included ones of the sides bottom as well as the creed. Im new to coach this would be my first one ever so I just want to be sure its authentic.
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I'm not sure what doesn't match about the logos, which to me means the "Coach" name stamps. If you mean that the C patterns don't match in places along some of the seams, it's impossible to make them match the way this bag is constructed. It looks like there are 3 panels on each of the main sides (front and back). plus a smaller triangular panel on both bottom ends plus the panel on the base, AND several of the panels are slightly angled. There's NO way that bag could ever economically or probably even physically be sewn so that all the panels matched the Cs at the seams. If you look at the others listed on Ebay, many may match along the edges of one main panel but NOT along the others.

"Stock photos" are photos taken and owned by the trademark owner, in this case Coach. The pics of the Amazon bag don't use Coach's photos, although the photos HAVE been cropped and possibly belonged to another seller or website. So while they might be stolen, they're not "stock".

I'm seeing one panel where the C's in one bottom corner panel look lighter in one photo but the other photos don't show the same difference, so it's probably a trick of the lighting and the jacquard weave.

Looking at the listings of several Ebay sellers with long records of selling Coaches bought at the Factory Stores, yours seems to match their apparently genuine bags in every detail. Compare yours to the others in that color combination listed on Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...sct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=1&_dmd=1&_ipg=50

I DON'T think the one you received is fake. More opinions are welcome.

AND FOR HEAVENS' SAKE, DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET!!!!
"Ive read so many how to tell a fake websites and they all said lined up Cs and I guess it threw me off. Plus they said look out for stock photos and multiples sold :-/"

If you want VALID information, start HERE, and ignore any so-called "guides" by know-nothing anonymous posters:
Authenticity Guides:
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coach-Authenticity-Guides-Facts-and-Myths-/10000000062607882/g.html


http://search.reviews.ebay.com/memb...&pr=salearea&uaid=41262657&uan=salearea&uqt=g

 

[daniej87]

I don't see any obvious fakes in any of the ebay listings. Just because a seller sells multiples doesn't make the bags counterfeit. The factory stores will let sellers buy at least 3 of the same thing. We recommend against buying from listings that use stock photos because you have no idea what you would actually end up with. The lined up C rule doesn't work in every case. Other than buying Coach from a Coach store or department store that sells Coach (all authorized retailers are listed on Coach.com), the next safest place to buy Coach online is ebay.

Im just confused I guess because this:

(Ebay)

And this:

(Amazon)

Just look so diffrent at glance I would think the amazon is fake and the ebay is real :-/

 

[Hyacinth]

Im just confused I guess because this:
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And this:
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Just look so diffrent at glance I would think the amazon is fake and the ebay is real :-/

And what you CAN'T see in the first photo unless you take a CLOSE look at the listing is that THE C PATTERN DOESNT MATCH ALONG THE SIDE SEAMS AT ALL. The seller is very careful NOT to show the sides because other people who have been taken in by those useless and irresponsible "authenticity guides" would start screaming "FAKE!" if they saw the side photos.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWT-COACH-D...860?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item1c39c865cc

Close-ups of the side seams and the NON_MATCHING Cs are below.
Like I already said, DON'T believe everything you read on the internet!
NONE of those bags look fake.

 

[swong066]

Hello, thank you so much for verifying the authenticity of my previous post. I have another one that needs to be authenticated...I recently purchased it from the Etsy website:

Item Name (if you know it): Vintage Coach Court Bag in Navy Blue
Link (if available): The original link was here, but since I have already purchased it, it is no longer available for viewing: https://www.etsy.com/transaction/17..._010170_7297498688_0_0&utm_medium=trans_email
Attached photos: I have uploaded all the photos onto this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v7-B15O3x8j8VlS11YsvC2PHs3zTCsMRs1PJBc0YHpM/edit?usp=sharing
Comments: The seller says it is vintage; it was made in the 1970s. The bag's measurements are as follows: 9 1/2" Wide x 7" High x 2 1/2" Deep x 18" - 22" Drop (adjustable strap). Pls see the photos for the creed stamp.

Thank you again for all your help! I greatly appreciate it.

P.S. If there's more information you need, pls let me know.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hello, thank you so much for verifying the authenticity of my previous post. I have another one that needs to be authenticated...I recently purchased it from the Etsy website:

Item Name (if you know it): Vintage Coach Court Bag in Navy Blue
Link (if available): The original link was here, but since I have already purchased it, it is no longer available for viewing: https://www.etsy.com/transaction/17..._010170_7297498688_0_0&utm_medium=trans_email
Attached photos: I have uploaded all the photos onto this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v7-B15O3x8j8VlS11YsvC2PHs3zTCsMRs1PJBc0YHpM/edit?usp=sharing
Comments: The seller says it is vintage; it was made in the 1970s. The bag's measurements are as follows: 9 1/2" Wide x 7" High x 2 1/2" Deep x 18" - 22" Drop (adjustable strap). Pls see the photos for the creed stamp.

Thank you again for all your help! I greatly appreciate it.

P.S. If there's more information you need, pls let me know.

The photos are still on Etsy, you just have to scroll down.

It's not a Court Bag, and the 233 serial number ending and creed stamp format indicates it was made between 1988 and the very early 1990s so it's vintage but not from the 1970s. I'm not really sure what style it is, it seems a bit small for a City Bag. Or more likely a Compartment Bag but we'd have to see how the pockets are arranged. And it looks genuine.

 

[Two.time.bags]

So the saga continues. The key chains came the other day and I opened them. The seller contacted me back denying that they're counterfeit claiming that she purchased 1 from Macy's, 1 from either Bloomingdale's or Nordstrom and the 3rd was gifted to her. She has offered a full refund upon receipt of return. Unless I'm misinterpreting it, eBay doesn't require the return of counterfeit goods. I have no need or want of these items but I surely don't want to return them to the seller so that they can be sold again. I called eBay for clarification and couldn't get anyone to give me a solid answer. Instead, support went ahead and opened 3 not as described cases for me and instructed that I wait the 3 days then escalate the matter. A not as described case is all well and good if you bought a navy item and the seller sent a black item. I don't really think it should apply when you think you're purchasing authentic and end up getting counterfeit.

My questions are, if the seller refunds before I can escalate this case, will it still count against her? Am I obliged to return the items? Am I obliged to even communicate with the seller? I think this matter should be noted and seller should be held accountable for selling illegal goods.

Morally you shouldn't have to return fakes. I think you should just be required to show evidence of having destroyed the offending article. However I had one seller insist that I do so and she sent me the return postage and then a full refund including original postage when she received the return. She hasn't relisted so not sure what she intends to do with it. You shouldn't have to bear the costs of shipping either way but I don't think ebay has any strict position on any of this which is unfortunate and not at all surprising.

 

[BeenBurned]

Originally Posted by BeenBurned I'd reported those three fakes from manalof beginning on December 19. I was bummed when I saw that they'd been sold and crossed my fingers that the buyer hadn't paid yet.

What I would do is tell the seller that you want a full refund of every cent you paid and if she already shipped, as long as you get the cleared refund, you'll agree to refuse the package and mark it return to sender. (DO NOT REFUSE if she doesn't refund first. You'll lose a case.)

If the seller doesn't give a refund, open a dispute if you're able. I'm not sure whether you can open a case yet or whether a case can be opened on removed items.

It also won't hurt to call eBay on the phone and get it on record that the items were paid for, supposedly shipped and removed and confirmed as counterfeit.

Refer the seller, manalof here if she denies that they're fake.

So the saga continues. The key chains came the other day and I opened them. The seller contacted me back denying that they're counterfeit claiming that she purchased 1 from Macy's, 1 from either Bloomingdale's or Nordstrom and the 3rd was gifted to her. She has offered a full refund upon receipt of return. Unless I'm misinterpreting it, eBay doesn't require the return of counterfeit goods. I have no need or want of these items but I surely don't want to return them to the seller so that they can be sold again. I called eBay for clarification and couldn't get anyone to give me a solid answer. Instead, support went ahead and opened 3 not as described cases for me and instructed that I wait the 3 days then escalate the matter. A not as described case is all well and good if you bought a navy item and the seller sent a black item. I don't really think it should apply when you think you're purchasing authentic and end up getting counterfeit.

My questions are, if the seller refunds before I can escalate this case, will it still count against her? Am I obliged to return the items? Am I obliged to even communicate with the seller? I think this matter should be noted and seller should be held accountable for selling illegal goods.

I don't think it will count against the seller if she refunds before the case is escalated, but she already has had the listings removed by ebay, so they know she tried to list fakes. I believe that ebay will put selling limits on her for that. Once the case is escalated, you don't have to communicate with the seller. Before that, you are supposed to try to work with the seller before you escalate. I think you have already done that. Ebay isn't consistent on whether or not they make you return the items.

The fact that the seller manalof continues to lie about the source of her fake keychains tells me she hasn't learned a gosh-darn thing from this experience. It's too bad you weren't able to leave her the 3 well-deserved negative feedbacks before the listings were removed.

The "good" thing is that with 83% feedback, her days of selling are limited if she doesn't straighten up and fly right.

As for the case counting against her if she refunds, it won't count as a "lost" dispute since it'll be resolved without ebay's intervention, however, she will still have the 3 VeRO takedowns for counterfeit items on her record (permanently!) as well as a dispute recorded for having sold those fakes, so since they're (sort-of) linked, it certainly won't help her account.

If she does agree to the refund before you escalate, if she agrees with the stipulation that you return them, you do have to return them. Generally, the refund would be for the full amount of the items plus initial shipping with return shipping at your expense, though many good sellers will make the buyer whole (and reimburse return shipping). IMO, manalof isn't that type of seller since she's still denying that she sold fakes and where she bought them.

MANALOF, if you're reading here, the smarter thing for you to do is issue a full refund to your buyer and tell her to destroy the fakes. Why would either of you want to waste the money to return them to the seller when they can't be relisted or resold?

Zuggy, if the seller insists on a return, be sure to have tracking on the item to prove delivery.

 

[Two.time.bags]

Item suede hobo

Item no 321283845103

Seller vendorlaura

Link http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SUEDE-CO...US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item4ace026bef&_uhb=1

Comment I think the seller is just using 'Coach' in the title to get hits but it's reportable isn't it?

 

[BeenBurned]

all of the logos on the one from Amazon are mismatched majorly also when looking it up online it seems like this is the commonly sold bag in multiple quantities and all the pictures except for two listings the logo are mismatched (not to mention they are stock photos) so I'm assuming that this bag is counterfeited quite a bit I have attached the pictures of the bag from Amazon as requested I included ones of the sides bottom as well as the creed. Im new to coach this would be my first one ever so I just want to be sure its authentic.
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Im just confused I guess because this:
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And this:
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(Amazon)

Just look so diffrent at glance I would think the amazon is fake and the ebay is real :-/

Both the bag you received from Amazon and the bag you are looking at on ebay are authentic.

 

[BeenBurned]

Morally you shouldn't have to return fakes. I think you should just be required to show evidence of having destroyed the offending article. However I had one seller insist that I do so and she sent me the return postage and then a full refund including original postage when she received the return. She hasn't relisted so not sure what she intends to do with it. You shouldn't have to bear the costs of shipping either way but I don't think ebay has any strict position on any of this which is unfortunate and not at all surprising.

In this case, Zuggy is hoping to resolve the dispute with the seller and without ebay stepping in. In that case, the seller can require/request return of the item in order to issue a refund. While she isn't allowed to resell them, some sellers are able to return them to their "source" for refunds so in a case like that, the seller is within her rights to request the return.

There have been instances where ebay and/or payment decide an escalated dispute and in some cases, they have ordered destruction of the fakes in order for the buyer to get the refund.

In this case, manalof undoubtedly sold fakes, but as a rule, I have mixed feelings on this. Being quite active on TPF's ebay forum, I've read too many stories where buyers were told to destroy the "fakes" but those fakes weren't fake at all. And in those cases, the scamming buyer gets the refund and keeps the authentic bag she alleged was fake.