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I know we aren't supposed to post our own auction but this is an odd situation. I sold this bag a while back then the original buyer sold it again. Her buyer is now saying 1) the bag isn't authentic 2) it isn't leather! 3) and lastly that coach is always made in the US and NEVER in Costa Rica!

Her buyer is threatening to open a case against her and I am trying to help her show her buyer that she doesn't have clue about Coach.

Please help!

http://r.ebay.com/Daw8vt
 
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Oh boy! I really hope I didn't jump the gun on this one. I just happened to be perusing The Bay for a Holiday handbag and I impulse-purchased this. Can one of you lovelies kindly authenticate? It would be greatly appreciated.
Item: Coach Legacy Patent
Seller Id: nybound22
Item #: 261323110733
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261323110733?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l264

I would also be grateful for any other additional info. Is this "jade"? Thanks so much ladies and have a wonderful evening! :heart:
 
#7,761
speedymarie said:
Hi everyone,

I've come into several listings with this odd type of creed, and just wanted verification if it's a fake or what, never seen this kind of thing before when buying second hand.
Here is the listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-NEW-Y...737?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item1c37890c41

TIA :)
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It's genuine. Coach used that kind of creed and serial number in the later 1970s and maybe early 1980s. It looks like a Basic Bag that's missing the removeable strap.
 
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Two.time.bags said:
Thanks Hyacinth. Here are more pics to be 100%.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qg93eqqpcjvb5xo/4dRab40L5w

Is the style name correct please? "Soho belted pouchette"

Also, is this style from the 'lightweights' collection as the leather is much thinner than the other '90's bags I have.

As always I really appreciate your efforts.
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Yes, it's from the Lightweights line, that's what the Soho bags were called originally. The oficial name is Soho Belted Pouch.
 
#7,763
312mrileysofia said:
Oh boy! I really hope I didn't jump the gun on this one. I just happened to be perusing The Bay for a Holiday handbag and I impulse-purchased this. Can one of you lovelies kindly authenticate? It would be greatly appreciated.
Item: Coach Legacy Patent
Seller Id: nybound22
Item #: 261323110733
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261323110733?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l264

I would also be grateful for any other additional info. Is this "jade"? Thanks so much ladies and have a wonderful evening! :heart:
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It looks good although I haven't seen the style and don't have another to compare to.
 
#7,764
Tetondeb said:
I know we aren't supposed to post our own auction but this is an odd situation. I sold this bag a while back then the original buyer sold it again. Her buyer is now saying 1) the bag isn't authentic 2) it isn't leather! 3) and lastly that coach is always made in the US and NEVER in Costa Rica!

Her buyer is threatening to open a case against her and I am trying to help her show her buyer that she doesn't have clue about Coach.

Please help!

http://r.ebay.com/Daw8vt
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Start with links to several of the Salearea Guides. The Costa Rica plant is mentioned in several of them. Coach has been making handbags in Costa Rica at least since 1994 and as recently as 2004:
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Authentic-Coach-Vintage-and-Classic-Leather-/10000000062579034/g.html

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coach-Italy-Guide-Coach-Italian-Made-Bags-/10000000051492233/g.html

"The Sheridans were made in Costa Rica and the US as well as Italy and had a more rounded or pebbled leather grain, a taupe fabric lining, and a creed similar to the Dakotas."

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coach-Authenticity-Guides-Facts-and-Myths-/10000000062607882/g.html
"THE "COACHES ARE ONLY MADE IN..." RULES
Depends. Coach bags have been made in the USA, Italy (a few very expensive exotic leather styles are still made there), Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Hungary, Turkey, Thailand, China, India, and Vietnam. Coach will soon be making bags in the Philippines and other countries where they can find cheap labor, and they have made accessories like wallets in even more places such as France, Spain and others. Other than Italy, only the Asian plants except for Turkey and Thailand are still active at this time (2011). Production moved almost completely to China starting in 2000, and all Signature C fabric bags are only made in China and the other Asian plants and have only been made since 2000. Any Signature C bag with a year code from before 2000, or with a plant code or place of origin that indicates it was made in the US, is counterfeit."

"Coach brought out the Sonoma line in 1994 and while not strictly an Italian line, like the Sheridans many Sonomas were also made in Italy as well as Costa Rica and the US."

The bag in your original listing is completely genuine. The original Penelope line came out in the early 2000s and many used leathers that had a slightly different feel to Coach's original cowhide. Anyone who questions the fact that Coach made bags in Costa Rica doesn't know a darned thing about Coach and doesn't deserve to own one. I've also never seen a fake Coach with a creed that said it was made in Costa Rica. Fakes will almost always say they were made either in the US or, for the more recent ones, in China.

Sorry you and your original buyer got stuck with a Poisonous Buyer, even if it was at a distance.
 
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Hyacinth said:
Yes, I'm the same Hyacinth. NOT the same person as Salearea (I'm a buyer and collector but not a seller), but I appreciate their efforts to always be sure they sell genuine items and provide a very large album of excellent photos to show the condition and authenticity of what they're selling. So when I was asked based on my posts here to research and write a series of Coach guides for them, I was really glad to do it.

I'm glad the guides have been a help, and please feel free to ask any questions here about specific Coach items or just general questions. There are so many members here whose Coach knowledge covers almost all the company's products and history that someone should be able to help you with almost any kind of question.
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Yes the guides helped alot, but I do have one question aboutauction sites. I am trying to understand how bags that I know are older modelsare being sold as NWT or NWOT. For example the bag I wanted authenticated, Iknow was originally out in about 2006 or 2007, and when I went looking for it Iwas expecting used bags. I was really surprised and a bit skeptical that therewere NWT on some of them. I know the company is not making the bag anymore, sohow do the sellers have NEW originals? Are they fakes? Just trying to get a better understanding when buying online.
Below is the one I had authenticated.

Item: RARE & HTF COACH CAMEL &BRITISH TAN LEATHER "CARLY" BAG ~ 10616P ~ NWOT $498
Item no: 251358282240
Seller: 24chevylover
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251358282240?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649


 
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Hyacinth said:
Start with links to several of the Salearea Guides. The Costa Rica plant is mentioned in several of them. Coach has been making handbags in Costa Rica at least since 1994 and as recently as 2004:
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Authentic-Coach-Vintage-and-Classic-Leather-/10000000062579034/g.html

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coach-Italy-Guide-Coach-Italian-Made-Bags-/10000000051492233/g.html

"The Sheridans were made in Costa Rica and the US as well as Italy and had a more rounded or pebbled leather grain, a taupe fabric lining, and a creed similar to the Dakotas."

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coach-Authenticity-Guides-Facts-and-Myths-/10000000062607882/g.html
"THE "COACHES ARE ONLY MADE IN..." RULES
Depends. Coach bags have been made in the USA, Italy (a few very expensive exotic leather styles are still made there), Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Hungary, Turkey, Thailand, China, India, and Vietnam. Coach will soon be making bags in the Philippines and other countries where they can find cheap labor, and they have made accessories like wallets in even more places such as France, Spain and others. Other than Italy, only the Asian plants except for Turkey and Thailand are still active at this time (2011). Production moved almost completely to China starting in 2000, and all Signature C fabric bags are only made in China and the other Asian plants and have only been made since 2000. Any Signature C bag with a year code from before 2000, or with a plant code or place of origin that indicates it was made in the US, is counterfeit."

"Coach brought out the Sonoma line in 1994 and while not strictly an Italian line, like the Sheridans many Sonomas were also made in Italy as well as Costa Rica and the US."

The bag in your original listing is completely genuine. The original Penelope line came out in the early 2000s and many used leathers that had a slightly different feel to Coach's original cowhide. Anyone who questions the fact that Coach made bags in Costa Rica doesn't know a darned thing about Coach and doesn't deserve to own one. I've also never seen a fake Coach with a creed that said it was made in Costa Rica. Fakes will almost always say they were made either in the US or, for the more recent ones, in China.

Sorry you and your original buyer got stuck with a Poisonous Buyer, even if it was at a distance.
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Thanks hyacinth. .. hopefully this helps her.
 
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Nomoredrama said:
Yes the guides helped alot, but I do have one question aboutauction sites. I am trying to understand how bags that I know are older modelsare being sold as NWT or NWOT. For example the bag I wanted authenticated, Iknow was originally out in about 2006 or 2007, and when I went looking for it Iwas expecting used bags. I was really surprised and a bit skeptical that therewere NWT on some of them. I know the company is not making the bag anymore, sohow do the sellers have NEW originals? Are they fakes? Just trying to get a better understanding when buying online.
Below is the one I had authenticated.

Item: RARE & HTF COACH CAMEL &BRITISH TAN LEATHER "CARLY" BAG ~ 10616P ~ NWOT $498
Item no: 251358282240
Seller: 24chevylover
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251358282240?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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The bag in the listing above is authentic. In this case, the seller describes it as "NWOT" or "new without tags." It may or may not actually be new. (I don't know the seller and I don't know the history of that bag.) (I thought I'd already authenticated it!)

The bag may very well be new however many sellers have been known to describe used or lightly used bags as new. If they think they can get away with it and it doesn't appear to have been used, many sellers think a new bag will garner them a higher sale price.

OTOH, there are legitimate cases of NOS (new old stock) where the bag might be unused but not a current style.
1. Impulse buyers and/or compulsive shoppers might buy something thinking they'll use it and finally, after years of it sitting in a closet, decide to sell it
2. Coach's liberal return policy allows customers to return unused items anytime, without an expiration date. So an older style might show up at a Coach store as a return and be sent to the outlet
3. Coach might do periodic inventory cleanouts and find older items in their warehouses and either send them to the outlets or to discounters.

So the age of the bag and whether it's new or not is not a determining factor re authenticity.
 
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Nomoredrama said:
Yes the guides helped alot, but I do have one question aboutauction sites. I am trying to understand how bags that I know are older modelsare being sold as NWT or NWOT. For example the bag I wanted authenticated, Iknow was originally out in about 2006 or 2007, and when I went looking for it Iwas expecting used bags. I was really surprised and a bit skeptical that therewere NWT on some of them. I know the company is not making the bag anymore, sohow do the sellers have NEW originals? Are they fakes? Just trying to get a better understanding when buying online.
Below is the one I had authenticated.

Item: RARE & HTF COACH CAMEL &BRITISH TAN LEATHER "CARLY" BAG ~ 10616P ~ NWOT $498
Item no: 251358282240
Seller: 24chevylover
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251358282240?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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There are a lot of people who buy new bags and never use them, for all sorts of reasons. I don't have a problem with that.

There are also a lot of people who use a bag once or twice and then try to sell it as New, with or without the tag. I'd be concerned if a seller didn't show the inside, or if there were signs of wear on the outside, or if someone was selling a large number of NWOT bags that looked new, but just because a seller lists a bag as New doesn't mean they're trying to scam someone. I have at least a dozen Coaches that still have the tags on and one of them is 20 years old. I'm sure plenty of other members could say the same thing. And many of us have learned over the years to NOT remove the tag until we're sure we're keeping the bag.
 
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I hope one of the very knowledgeable Coach experts can help me with this. I bought a pair of gloves and I know very little about Coach gloves. The quality seems great...suede with (I believe) a silk lining. The only thing that makes me wonder is the tag. I've looked around and other tags don't seem to be like this one, but I don't know if there are different ones. Thanks for any help!
http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj500/carriem72/94coachgloves2_zps4336f3b7.jpg
http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj500/carriem72/94coachgloves1_zps1955dad9.jpg
http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj500/carriem72/94coachgloves3_zpsfd46579b.jpg
 
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