AUTHENTICATE this COACH

[whateve]

Yeah, that's were I'm confused. According to this guide and after taking a look at the serial numbers on 1998 and 1997 bags that were made in the United States, it seems the numbers were stamped in a way where you wouldn't see the marks on either the top or the bottom of the number as you would here: s22.postimg.org/kuf7diyts/image.jpg

Yes, it is confusing. More than likely there was more than one stamp in use at a factory at the same time. I have a creed from the same month and plant as yours that doesn't have the overstamping marks, but one from two months earlier does, and one from 2 years later does as well. Generally, overstamping marks on older bags are only a problem if they don't look like they could have been caused by the numbers before or after the stamped numbers.

 

[4MyPrincess]

Hi Ladies,

Thinking of getting this for my daughter for Christmas. Can you please authenticate for me.

Item: Coach Poppy Sequins Groovy 15381
Item Number: 261308988500
Seller: bestgirl28
Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261308988500?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Thanking you in advance for all your help.
Big hugs from Australia

 

[whateve]

Hi Ladies,

Thinking of getting this for my daughter for Christmas. Can you please authenticate for me.

Item: Coach Poppy Sequins Groovy 15381
Item Number: 261308988500
Seller: bestgirl28
Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261308988500?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Thanking you in advance for all your help.
Big hugs from Australia

It looks fine. Your daughter will love it! I had the signature version of this bag and my daughter has the sequin backpack. She's had it for 2 years and has never lost a single sequin.

 

[4MyPrincess]

Originally Posted by 4MyPrincess Hi Ladies,

Thinking of getting this for my daughter for Christmas. Can you please authenticate for me.

Item: Coach Poppy Sequins Groovy 15381
Item Number: 261308988500
Seller: bestgirl28
Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261308988...84.m1423.l2649

Thanking you in advance for all your help.
Big hugs from Australia


It looks fine. Your daughter will love it! I had the signature version of this bag and my daughter has the sequin backpack. She's had it for 2 years and has never lost a single sequin.


Great, thanks so much for that, I really appreciate it

 

[whateve]

Originally Posted by 4MyPrincess Hi Ladies,

Thinking of getting this for my daughter for Christmas. Can you please authenticate for me.

Item: Coach Poppy Sequins Groovy 15381
Item Number: 261308988500
Seller: bestgirl28
Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261308988...84.m1423.l2649

Thanking you in advance for all your help.
Big hugs from Australia


It looks fine. Your daughter will love it! I had the signature version of this bag and my daughter has the sequin backpack. She's had it for 2 years and has never lost a single sequin.


Great, thanks so much for that, I really appreciate it

You're welcome!

 

[pupupuff]

Yes, it is confusing. More than likely there was more than one stamp in use at a factory at the same time. I have a creed from the same month and plant as yours that doesn't have the overstamping marks, but one from two months earlier does, and one from 2 years later does as well. Generally, overstamping marks on older bags are only a problem if they don't look like they could have been caused by the numbers before or after the stamped numbers.

It's very helpful to see more samples. Thank you very much, whatev!

CAVEAT!! Be very wary of guides you find on the internet. Many are incomplete, outdated or just plain wrong.

In fact, the guide you posted shows a creed with K3H as the prefix. Without the full bag shown, it's tough to authenticate, but the prefix is seen on many, many fakes! If a knowledgeable person is showing various examples, wouldn't they show a picture of a creed that is unquestionably authentic?

On another creed, I think I'm seeing "marXings," which would indicate that she is showing a creed from another "possible" fake.

I believe that her dates with regard to creeds are inaccurate too but Hyacinth is more expert in deciphering dates and plants than I am.

These guides are much more helpful and more importantly, accurate!
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea

Thanks, BeenBurned. Read the guides. They are very detailed. Definitely helped me understand there's no one consistent creed for even same Coach lines made in the same year.

 

[Hyacinth]

Yeah, that's were I'm confused. According to this guide and after taking a look at the serial numbers on 1998 and 1997 bags that were made in the United States, it seems the numbers were stamped in a way where you wouldn't see the marks on either the top or the bottom of the number as you would here: s22.postimg.org/kuf7diyts/image.jpg

CAVEAT!! Be very wary of guides you find on the internet. Many are incomplete, outdated or just plain wrong.

In fact, the guide you posted shows a creed with K3H as the prefix. Without the full bag shown, it's tough to authenticate, but the prefix is seen on many, many fakes! If a knowledgeable person is showing various examples, wouldn't they show a picture of a creed that is unquestionably authentic?

On another creed, I think I'm seeing "marXings," which would indicate that she is showing a creed from another "possible" fake.

I believe that her dates with regard to creeds are inaccurate too but Hyacinth is more expert in deciphering dates and plants than I am.

These guides are much more helpful and more importantly, accurate!
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea

You can't make blanket comments about creeds and stampings either. Every plant was and is different, even today, and "one size does NOT fit all". We keep reminding people to compare apples and apples - not just bags with the same style number, but with the same plant and date codes.

And even that isn't always accurate. We've found plenty of examples where genuine bags with identical numbers will have variations in the creed or serial number (the "smooth" vs "puffy" creed stamps on some of the remade Classics a few years ago was just mentioned in a recent post) because of either more than one stamp being used by the same plant, or a stamp was changed or modified during a production run, or because a plant code was reassigned and used by two different plants in the same month.

The K3H serial prefixes are looking more and more questionable with each new example. At first I gave them the benefit of the doubt but now I can't help but wonder why so many different bags came out of the same plant in the same month and year when we've only seen one other *3H prefix with a different month code.

This comment about the 9988 Saddle Bag is also incorrect: "9988 Crescent - usually considered a Bonnie Cashin era bag, but I found some on E-Bay with creed numbers indicating manufacture dates after 1994, three so far, so it is not an isolated thing"
Style number 9988 belongs only to a Saddle Bag and would only be in bags made in late 1996 and later. The Crescent Bag wasn't style 9988. it was # 9235 and made in the 70s and 80s with a brief re-issue in 1991 for the 50th Anniversary. The two styles are not identical and shouldn't be used interchangeably. There's a very basic difference on the fronts of the bags.

9965 is not a Trail Bag. the Trail Bag is 9955.

I've never seen a wristlet with style number 4906, it was very likely a fake.


I'm not seeing "marXings" in any of the photos but that's always a tricky call because the angle of the lighting can make those Ks look like Xs and it's easy to mistake one for the other. No one should ever report a bag that they think has an X instead of a K without asking an expert to take a good look at the creed photos, and the photos should be both readable and able to be enlarged..

There are dozens of factors involved in analyzing creeds and serial numbers. Whether or not one matches an example posted in someone's Guide is a dangerous and inaccurate way of determining authenticity. That's just one reason why I didn't post photos of examples in the Salearea Guides, there are just too many variations and we're still trying to figure many of them out. And sometimes, even with a stack of photos for comparison, it's still hard to be sure if a creed is real or fake.

 

[pupupuff]

You can't make blanket comments about creeds and stampings either. Every plant was and is different, even today, and "one size does NOT fit all". We keep reminding people to compare apples and apples - not just bags with the same style number, but with the same plant and date codes.

And even that isn't always accurate. We've found plenty of examples where genuine bags with identical numbers will have variations in the creed or serial number (the "smooth" vs "puffy" creed stamps on some of the remade Classics a few years ago was just mentioned in a recent post) because of either more than one stamp being used by the same plant, or a stamp was changed or modified during a production run, or because a plant code was reassigned and used by two different plants in the same month.

The K3H serial prefixes are looking more and more questionable with each new example. At first I gave them the benefit of the doubt but now I can't help but wonder why so many different bags came out of the same plant in the same month and year when we've only seen one other *3H prefix with a different month code.

This comment about the 9988 Saddle Bag is also incorrect: "9988 Crescent - usually considered a Bonnie Cashin era bag, but I found some on E-Bay with creed numbers indicating manufacture dates after 1994, three so far, so it is not an isolated thing"
Style number 9988 belongs only to a Saddle Bag and would only be in bags made in late 1996 and later. The Crescent Bag wasn't style 9988. it was # 9235 and made in the 70s and 80s with a brief re-issue in 1991 for the 50th Anniversary. The two styles are not identical and shouldn't be used interchangeably. There's a very basic difference on the fronts of the bags.

9965 is not a Trail Bag. the Trail Bag is 9955.

I've never seen a wristlet with style number 4906, it was very likely a fake.


I'm not seeing "marXings" in any of the photos but that's always a tricky call because the angle of the lighting can make those Ks look like Xs and it's easy to mistake one for the other. No one should ever report a bag that they think has an X instead of a K without asking an expert to take a good look at the creed photos, and the photos should be both readable and able to be enlarged..

There are dozens of factors involved in analyzing creeds and serial numbers. Whether or not one matches an example posted in someone's Guide is a dangerous and inaccurate way of determining authenticity. That's just one reason why I didn't post photos of examples in the Salearea Guides, there are just too many variations and we're still trying to figure many of them out. And sometimes, even with a stack of photos for comparison, it's still hard to be sure if a creed is real or fake.

Good points. Does this bag look authentic to you?

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Creed tag:
s22.postimg.org/kuf7diyts/image.jpg

 

[whateve]

You can't make blanket comments about creeds and stampings either. Every plant was and is different, even today, and "one size does NOT fit all". We keep reminding people to compare apples and apples - not just bags with the same style number, but with the same plant and date codes.

And even that isn't always accurate. We've found plenty of examples where genuine bags with identical numbers will have variations in the creed or serial number (the "smooth" vs "puffy" creed stamps on some of the remade Classics a few years ago was just mentioned in a recent post) because of either more than one stamp being used by the same plant, or a stamp was changed or modified during a production run, or because a plant code was reassigned and used by two different plants in the same month.

The K3H serial prefixes are looking more and more questionable with each new example. At first I gave them the benefit of the doubt but now I can't help but wonder why so many different bags came out of the same plant in the same month and year when we've only seen one other *3H prefix with a different month code.

This comment about the 9988 Saddle Bag is also incorrect: "9988 Crescent - usually considered a Bonnie Cashin era bag, but I found some on E-Bay with creed numbers indicating manufacture dates after 1994, three so far, so it is not an isolated thing"
Style number 9988 belongs only to a Saddle Bag and would only be in bags made in late 1996 and later. The Crescent Bag wasn't style 9988. it was # 9235 and made in the 70s and 80s with a brief re-issue in 1991 for the 50th Anniversary. The two styles are not identical and shouldn't be used interchangeably. There's a very basic difference on the fronts of the bags.

9965 is not a Trail Bag. the Trail Bag is 9955.

I've never seen a wristlet with style number 4906, it was very likely a fake.


I'm not seeing "marXings" in any of the photos but that's always a tricky call because the angle of the lighting can make those Ks look like Xs and it's easy to mistake one for the other. No one should ever report a bag that they think has an X instead of a K without asking an expert to take a good look at the creed photos, and the photos should be both readable and able to be enlarged..

There are dozens of factors involved in analyzing creeds and serial numbers. Whether or not one matches an example posted in someone's Guide is a dangerous and inaccurate way of determining authenticity. That's just one reason why I didn't post photos of examples in the Salearea Guides, there are just too many variations and we're still trying to figure many of them out. And sometimes, even with a stack of photos for comparison, it's still hard to be sure if a creed is real or fake.

Good points. Does this bag look authentic to you?

s18.postimg.org/4a48ynvc9/image.jpg
s24.postimg.org/in78qz2dw/image.jpg
s9.postimg.org/lied406fi/image.jpg
s8.postimg.org/pwhdmxvyc/image.jpg
s17.postimg.org/qyl1b4uf3/image.jpg

Creed tag:
s22.postimg.org/kuf7diyts/image.jpg

I've already told you the bag is authentic. If I were unsure, I would have said so.

 

[LadyEdwards]

Hello Ladies!

Please authenicate the following Coach items:

Item: Coach Black Leather Metropolitan Brief Case Laptop Case Bag Unisex
Listing Number: 171149322317
Seller: robmacartney
LInk: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171149322317?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Item: VINTAGE COACH 9927 BLACK LEATHER FLAP CROSSBODY SHOULDER BAG HANDBAG PURSE USA
Listing Number: 370920879100
Seller: catjeep55
LInk: http://www.ebay.com/itm/370920879100?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Thank you,
Lady Edwards

 

[dianahuang]

Dear experts, please authenticate this Coach bag. My friend gets this as a gift and she worried about the authenticity since it comes with no dustbag and the zipper is ideal not YKK. And i don't know the name of the bag. TIA

 

[JOODLZ]

Could someone please authenticate this Coach wristlet?
Bought at Goodwill yesterday. Looks like previous owner used a suede brush on right side of front...the embossed "C's" are there and lined up as they should be...but the suede is much shaggier.
Approx. 7”w x 4”h x .5”d Strap drop 6.5”
Does she have a name? Approx age?
Any info is much appreciated...Thanks, as always, in advance!

 

[BeenBurned]

Dear experts, please authenticate this Coach bag. My friend gets this as a gift and she worried about the authenticity since it comes with no dustbag and the zipper is ideal not YKK. And i don't know the name of the bag. TIA
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The bag is authentic.

Please note that existence or lack of a dustbag, hangtag or anything removable or that can be added means nothing as to authenticity.

And regarding zipper brands used by Coach, please read the following accurate guide. The brand of zipper in a Coach bag does not prove or disprove authenticity. Many fakes have YKK zippers (real YKK or counterfeit YKK) and many genuine Coaches have zippers other than YKK.
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coach-and-the-YKK-Zipper-Myth-the-Basic-Facts-/10000000040073710/g.html

Could someone please authenticate this Coach wristlet?
Bought at Goodwill yesterday. Looks like previous owner used a suede brush on right side of front...the embossed "C's" are there and lined up as they should be...but the suede is much shaggier.
Approx. 7”w x 4”h x .5”d Strap drop 6.5”
Does she have a name? Approx age?
Any info is much appreciated...Thanks, as always, in advance!

It's authentic. I just bought the same wristlet but in signature jacquard at Savers on Thursday!

 

[JOODLZ]

The bag is authentic.

Please note that existence or lack of a dustbag, hangtag or anything removable or that can be added means nothing as to authenticity.

And regarding zipper brands used by Coach, please read the following accurate guide. The brand of zipper in a Coach bag does not prove or disprove authenticity. Many fakes have YKK zippers (real YKK or counterfeit YKK) and many genuine Coaches have zippers other than YKK.
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coach-and-the-YKK-Zipper-Myth-the-Basic-Facts-/10000000040073710/g.html



It's authentic. I just bought the same wristlet but in signature jacquard at Savers on Thursday!

Semi-twins! Thanks, BeenBurned...happy weekend!

 

[dianahuang]

The bag is authentic.

Please note that existence or lack of a dustbag, hangtag or anything removable or that can be added means nothing as to authenticity.

And regarding zipper brands used by Coach, please read the following accurate guide. The brand of zipper in a Coach bag does not prove or disprove authenticity. Many fakes have YKK zippers (real YKK or counterfeit YKK) and many genuine Coaches have zippers other than YKK.
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Coach-and-the-YKK-Zipper-Myth-the-Basic-Facts-/10000000040073710/g.html

Thank you so much dear