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Hyacinth said:
I think that you - or the seller mentioned, as the case may be, but I'll use "you" just to keep things simple - need to take the time to have Coach items authenticated before listing, and this problem won't occur. The problems mentioned in those listings have been mentioned in several accepted analyses of invalid/fake serial numbers and those are available to sellers and buyers both here and at Ebay.

Sellers are always welcome to ask for authenticity opinions here freely as long as they follow forum rules and don't advertise or link to their listings or stores, and by doing so can have the benefit of several opinions to help them decide whether or not a Coach item is genuine. Ebay DOES require that all items be authentic, and if a seller doesn't take steps to be sure it is by getting other opinions, or doesn't take steps to find what details point to something being fake, they're not making a strong enough effort to be sure they're selling genuine Coach products, and they run the risk of having counterfeit items removed by Ebay.

A simple understanding of Coach factory codes would have shown the seller mentioned that several of those bags weren't even close to having a valid month code. I can understand someone not knowing the plant location codes but to not know that Coach month codes only go to "M", and on very rare occasions, "N", is hard to justify. That's basic Coach knowledge for anyone who makes a living or fills a need by selling or buying Coach products. And that's NOT the kind of mistake a plant would keep making over and over to where dozens if not hundreds of bags would be leaving plants with codes like "P" or "S" that have never appeared in genuine Coaches and most of which show up in bags with other problems as well.

There's no reason a seller can't take advantage of the research that members here have already done, and there's a ton of other useful information here as well. Or they can post their own photos at Ebay's Shoes & Purses forum and still follow that forum's labyrinthine rules by declaring in the post requesting authenticity opinions that they own the bag and the photos. Or they can use a professional authentication service. Self-authenticating your own listings is only for sellers who are experienced at spotting fakes and know where to find the information that helps them do it.

As for not recommending sellers - when a seller lists 3 or 4 counterfeits in the space of a month, something's wrong. And potential buyers need to be aware that there's a risk factor buying from that seller that some of us find unacceptible, especially when it doesn't have to happen. Judging a seller "by their record" is all well and good, but when listing and selling fakes becomes part of that record, what then? Is everyone supposed to just ignore it?

Understand something clearly - NO ONE IS HERE TO HURT ANYONE'S REPUTATION. Everyone who authenticates here has gotten stuck with a fake at one time or another, and we don't want to see it happen to other people. The people in these forums who have taken the time to try and learn the subject of Coach fakes backwards and forwards do so for one simple reason - because we don't want to see anyone get ripped off, either deliberately or accidently. Even if a seller didn't realize a bag was fake, what about the buyer? Time AND money are lost since much of the time they won't be reimbursed for shipping charges if the fake has to be returned, and loss of trust in Ebay sellers in general and sometimes in the whole Ebay system. Nobody wins and everybody loses.
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Amen, sister!
 
#5,117
Hyacinth said:
The "vintage" part meaning 20 years old or more is accurate, but the Bonnie Cashin claim is completely false. Any bag with that exact creed format would have been made at least 14 years AFTER Bonnie Cashin left Coach.

The style was called a Brighton Bag and was from the early 90s, probably 1991-92, style number 9895 so it's at least 17 years too old to be a Cashin-era bag and wasn't one of her designs either.
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Thanks. I wish sellers would come here before posting. Do they really believe what they're stating?
 
#5,121
Hyacinth said:
The "vintage" part meaning 20 years old or more is accurate, but the Bonnie Cashin claim is completely false. Any bag with that exact creed format would have been made at least 14 years AFTER Bonnie Cashin left Coach.

The style was called a Brighton Bag and was from the early 90s, probably 1991-92, style number 9895 so it's at least 17 years too old to be a Cashin-era bag and wasn't one of her designs either.
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I advised the seller of the correct vintage and she asked for more information so I informed her about this forum and the ebay discussion board. She was very appreciative and will be re-listing the bag with the correct details. It's so heartening when you get positive feedback from sellers when you share the education you have received from those if you who so generously give up your time to ensure we don't get ripped off.
 
#5,122
Tenny said:
for Whateve – and anyone else, of course!

Nekolassa had posted some photos of Couriers in 2 sizes, & Whateve said she hadn’t seen one of the smaller ones before. Do you think this is one?

Item: VINTAGE COACH WINTER WHITE BEIGE LEATHER SHOULDER BAG PURSE,RARE DESIGN
Listing number: 321196193155
Seller: cici*scloset
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321196193155?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Comments: Does anyone know the style number for the smaller version?

Is there a Courier #9720?
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for Whateve again...

and maybe this is another (?):

Item: Rare Vintage Cashin Coach Handbag Gorgeous Black Excellent!!!
Listing number: 171117821887
Seller: emiliscious
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintag...887?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item27d76abfbf
 
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Hi everybody. twotimebags advised me of the stupid error I made with my bag listing so I removed it, corrected it and relisted it. Thank you :)

now though I am curious about a few others, I will be glad to relist and correct anything I've been wrong on (which now I'm expecting!)

Item: CLEARANCE COACH BONNIE CASHIN Leather Handle SHOULDER tote 60s vtg bag
Listing: 111158587239
Seller: mclosuit
Link: Vintage COACH tote
 
#5,126
Tenny said:
A while back, I had asked about 6-digit, all numeral, style numbers (having read somewhere that Coach was using some.)

I believe the conclusion was that Coach does NOT use any, but I was asked to show an example if I came across one. I just saw this one:

Item: Coach Signature Purse C's Red Black Cross Body Or Shoulder Large Purse Rare Bag
Listing number: 111162066323
Seller: garcia.dan71619772011
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Signa...323?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item19e1c68593

Comments: I am not familiar with most of the fabric bags, which is why I'm asking about this one. I am assuming that it is "rare" for a reason(?)

Thanks!
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Hyacinth said:
The style number is not all-numeric, the last digit is an "E" which at the end of a style number seems to be a code used for bags made for specific stores or retailers. We still don't know what most of those codes stand for. The actual style number looks like 18797. Comparing it to the others on Ebay, it seems genuine. More opinions are welcome.

ETA - that same style was discussed here:

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-408.html#post20813514
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-409.html#post20817690
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I agree that the bag looks good.
Tenny said:
Thanks, Hyacinth - I could have sworn it was an "8" - that's what I get for trying to read sideways!

Thanks again.
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#5,128
whateve said:
All the Isabelles look fine. The Garcia seems okay too. I think the cracking on the handles could occur with age.
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Thanks Whateve, I got my first Issy and am very happy with her!

But going back to the old scam seller romanymiro and supposed victim of photo theft itsinaclutch. I'm really starting to feel the latter is no innocent victim and may be connected even though they are in different states.

Since this is an authentication thread, please let me know if this should be re-posted elsewhere. I posted here because if another tpfer tries a search on these still active items, it'll show up.

Take a look at current listing by

scam seller: romanymiro again brazenly using itsinaclutch's photos.

Item: Saffiano North South City Tote in Vermillion Red 23821
item # 161101500597
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Saffi...597?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item258265d0b5

and in this one, no identifying watermarks and could fool many except for the 2 photos that show a drastic difference in colors.

Item: NWT Saffiano North South Tote in Coral 23821
Item #:161102072778
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-23821...778?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item25826e8bca

Comment: I've messaged itsinaclutch twice regarding photos being used - and the fake listing by romanymiro for the black/silver Isabelle was removed and she thanked me, again. But never did send me additional photos for her current listing of black Isabelle as I requested, just some excuse that the bags haven't been unpacked so I bought from someone else.

Any normal seller who was truly victimized twice would be checking up and making a claim through eBay to put a stop to this, but she isn't. And itsinaclutch herself (I'm assuming a she but I could be wrong) is selling a Michael Kors bag with only one stock photo.

Here's itsinaclutch's still active listing for Isabelle (she had about 5 bags using the same 3 crap photos) we talked about, and a shoddy one picture listing for a Michael Kors tote.

Item: Madison Isabelle 21224 in black/silverhardware
Item # 121169383998
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWT-AUTHENT...998?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item1c3642123e
Comment: still the same 3 pictures, can't even be sure they are hers now.

Here's the link to her Michael Kors tote with one stock photo from manufacturer
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-23821...778?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item25826e8bca

(wasn't sure if I should put it here since this is a Coach site but just wanted to alert about this seller who has a fairly good 99.5 % positive out of 4380 feedbacks.)

I think we've established that romanymiro who is only selling Buy It Now instead of auction is to be avoided. But what about itsinaclutch? I personally will avoid both but feel very uncomfortable that this kind of seller is connected with someone like romanymiro and selling Coach.

I don't want to ruin an honest seller's reputation but at the same time, I would want other tpfer buyers to be knowledgeable about itsinaclutch's careless photos and murky practices. If any buyer gives itsinaclutch a neutral or negative feedback, she has a strict policy of retaliating by stating in her feedback that the buyer has been blocked. While a buyer probably wouldn't care, its still unpleasant.
 
#5,129
closuitm said:
Hi everybody. twotimebags advised me of the stupid error I made with my bag listing so I removed it, corrected it and relisted it. Thank you :)

now though I am curious about a few others, I will be glad to relist and correct anything I've been wrong on (which now I'm expecting!)

Item: CLEARANCE COACH BONNIE CASHIN Leather Handle SHOULDER tote 60s vtg bag
Listing: 111158587239
Seller: mclosuit
Link: Vintage COACH tote
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It is against the policy of the purse forum for sellers to post links to their own listings. To get your items authenticated BEFORE listing, you can post photos of your items here and we will be happy to authenticate them for you, as well as answer any questions you have about styles and dates. The bag in your listing is not a Bonnie Cashin design nor is it from the 60's. You have a link to an outside website in your listing and you encourage buyers to buy outside of ebay - violations of ebay rules. I'm surprised ebay hasn't suspended your account already.
 
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