The first one is from the Lightweights collection, hence the thinner leather. It looks like shoulder pouch #4025 from 1987. You can get tips on how to clean it and fix it up from the rehab thread in the Clubhouse section of the forum.
The second one is probably a classic pouch #9170, considered one of Coach's original styles. It was made any time from the mid-70's up to 1988.
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