AUTHENTICATE this COACH

[tnguye78]

Hi all! Can I please have these two authenticated
Also, if real, is there info on the bags you guys can share with a noob? Thank you!!!
1. Coach Satchel
seller: juleseric
number: 130943224334
link http://www.ebay.com/itm/130943224334?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

2. Coach shoulder bag
seller: mb6961
number: 111116756194
link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111116756194?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Here are extra pics ofthe creed for number 2.

 

[Hyacinth]

one more please! I don't have exact measurements. the hang tag is split.
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I'm seeing a couple of problems besides just the lining.

The back zipper - the way the zipper is set into the bag isn't right. There shouldn't be any of the fabric around the zipper showing at all, just rolled leather edging that covers almost the entire zipper, and the zipper pull has too many links on the chain. Take a close look at the one in this listing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-VINTA...880?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item5ae8e14090

The creed stamping says Italy but the plant code is from a US plant. The serial number font is NOT right for the Italian plant even if we assume the 2 plant codes were reversed and actually should have read "B5E-". The center bar of the "E" in the Italian-made bags is shorter than the top & bottom bars, see this listing which I've also compared with the one I own that has an A5E- prefix, both creeds are identical but yours isn't:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-SONOM...362?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3a82855542

The details of the Coach logo on the 2 Italian creeds is also slightly different from yours. The cartouche is centered on the border around the creed and the name Coach is smaller.


There's a REMOTE chance that Coach may have been using the B plant for emergency production and given them a creed from the Italy plant to use, but that seems unusual. The B plant seems to have been mostly or completely deactivated by 1995 and only shows up rarely after that but I don't have any solid info about the timeframe, just guesses. Maybe they were given the old Italy stamp temporarily since Italy was just switching to the newer format stamp right around that time. I don't have any B plant creeds from 1995 to compare yours to.

I wish it was possible to see more photos of yours and be able to enlarge them. I'd especially like to see the inside pocket zipper and trim. Normally I'd like to see a closeup of the side of the magnetic snap where the maker and patent numbers are stamped but the one in mine is so worn down that it probably wouldn't be much help.

Yours MAY be ok, but there are problems that make it impossible to authenticate either way.

 

[erin323]

I'm seeing a couple of problems besides just the lining.

The back zipper - the way the zipper is set into the bag isn't right. There shouldn't be any of the fabric around the zipper showing at all, just rolled leather edging that covers almost the entire zipper, and the zipper pull has too many links on the chain. Take a close look at the one in this listing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-VINTA...880?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item5ae8e14090

The creed stamping says Italy but the plant code is from a US plant. The serial number font is NOT right for the Italian plant even if we assume the 2 plant codes were reversed and actually should have read "B5E-". The center bar of the "E" in the Italian-made bags is shorter than the top & bottom bars, see this listing which I've also compared with the one I own that has an A5E- prefix, both creeds are identical but yours isn't:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-SONOM...362?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3a82855542

The details of the Coach logo on the 2 Italian creeds is also slightly different from yours. The cartouche is centered on the border around the creed and the name Coach is smaller.


There's a REMOTE chance that Coach may have been using the B plant for emergency production and given them a creed from the Italy plant to use, but that seems unusual. The B plant seems to have been mostly or completely deactivated by 1995 and only shows up rarely after that but I don't have any solid info about the timeframe, just guesses. Maybe they were given the old Italy stamp temporarily since Italy was just switching to the newer format stamp right around that time. I don't have any B plant creeds from 1995 to compare yours to.

I wish it was possible to see more photos of yours and be able to enlarge them. I'd especially like to see the inside pocket zipper and trim. Normally I'd like to see a closeup of the side of the magnetic snap where the maker and patent numbers are stamped but the one in mine is so worn down that it probably wouldn't be much help.

Yours MAY be ok, but there are problems that make it impossible to authenticate either way.

Good Lord!! Thank you so much for putting so much into this response. Here are some more photos.

There's nothing on the magnetic snap.

 

[Hyacinth]

one more please! I don't have exact measurements. the hang tag is split.
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Hi all! Can I please have these two authenticated
Also, if real, is there info on the bags you guys can share with a noob? Thank you!!!
1. Coach Satchel
seller: juleseric
number: 130943224334
link http://www.ebay.com/itm/130943224334?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

2. Coach shoulder bag
seller: mb6961
number: 111116756194
link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111116756194?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

1- genuine City Bag 1998

2- genuine Collegiate Bag, 1987-88, style 9815

 

[Hyacinth]

Good Lord!! Thank you so much for putting so much into this response. Here are some more photos.

There's nothing on the magnetic snap.

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"Distintive"???

So Coach DIDN'T just send an old stamp to a temporary plant. "DistinCtive" is spelled correctly on the genuine bags.

The inside pocket on yours also has the wrong zipper pull. Chances of it being fake just went up. But it's the closest probable Sonoma fake I've ever seen.

Also compared to the genuine Burgundy one I posted a link to in the other post, the shape of the flap isn't right either.

 

[tnguye78]

1- genuine City Bag 1998

2- genuine Collegiate Bag, 1987-88, style 9815

Thank you so much for your quick reply!

 

[erin323]

"distintive"???

Aw, man! And I have an English degree!

Thank you, Hyacinth. The store I got it from doesn't take returns so I don't know what I'm going to do with it.

 

[Hyacinth]

Aw, man! And I have an English degree!

Thank you, Hyacinth. The store I got it from doesn't take returns so I don't know what I'm going to do with it.

Obviously you can't sell it, unless you want to take the hangtags off and cut the creed out and just sell it as a generic bag. Or you could take off the hangtags and just use it yourself.

 

[BeenBurned]

Aw, man! And I have an English degree!

Thank you, Hyacinth. The store I got it from doesn't take returns so I don't know what I'm going to do with it.

If you don't want a fake, I recommend taking it back and enlightening them as to the law. It's a seller's responsibility to verify authenticity before putting any item on the selling floor and if deemed as fake or authenticity can't be determined, they aren't allowed (by law) to sell it. Clearly, they didn't do their due diligence before selling it.

Note that charitable organizations (goodwill, Salvation Army, Savers, church thrifts, etc.) aren't exempt from the law.

 

[shannen1]

Hello
Please authenticate this bag
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261245124262?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

 

[Tetondeb]

I'm seeing a couple of problems besides just the lining.

The back zipper - the way the zipper is set into the bag isn't right. There shouldn't be any of the fabric around the zipper showing at all, just rolled leather edging that covers almost the entire zipper, and the zipper pull has too many links on the chain. Take a close look at the one in this listing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-VINTA...880?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item5ae8e14090

The creed stamping says Italy but the plant code is from a US plant. The serial number font is NOT right for the Italian plant even if we assume the 2 plant codes were reversed and actually should have read "B5E-". The center bar of the "E" in the Italian-made bags is shorter than the top & bottom bars, see this listing which I've also compared with the one I own that has an A5E- prefix, both creeds are identical but yours isn't:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-SONOM...362?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3a82855542

The details of the Coach logo on the 2 Italian creeds is also slightly different from yours. The cartouche is centered on the border around the creed and the name Coach is smaller.


There's a REMOTE chance that Coach may have been using the B plant for emergency production and given them a creed from the Italy plant to use, but that seems unusual. The B plant seems to have been mostly or completely deactivated by 1995 and only shows up rarely after that but I don't have any solid info about the timeframe, just guesses. Maybe they were given the old Italy stamp temporarily since Italy was just switching to the newer format stamp right around that time. I don't have any B plant creeds from 1995 to compare yours to.

I wish it was possible to see more photos of yours and be able to enlarge them. I'd especially like to see the inside pocket zipper and trim. Normally I'd like to see a closeup of the side of the magnetic snap where the maker and patent numbers are stamped but the one in mine is so worn down that it probably wouldn't be much help.

Yours MAY be ok, but there are problems that make it impossible to authenticate either way.

Hey Hyacinth... I'm having a dilemma over this now. I have 2 identical Olive Nubuc duffels...bought together....they are identical in every way except that one is made in Costa Rica and has the striped lining and one is made is Italy and has the solid lining and the creed says "distintive". The seams, zippers, measurements, feel, etc are completely identical. Is there a chance that there was an odd batch of Creeds from the Italian plant? I'm getting pics now.

 

[Tetondeb]

Hey Hyacinth... I'm having a dilemma over this now. I have 2 identical Olive Nubuc duffels...bought together....they are identical in every way except that one is made in Costa Rica and has the striped lining and one is made is Italy and has the solid lining and the creed says "distintive". The seams, zippers, measurements, feel, etc are completely identical. Is there a chance that there was an odd batch of Creeds from the Italian plant? I'm getting pics now.

 

[erin323]

If you don't want a fake, I recommend taking it back and enlightening them as to the law. It's a seller's responsibility to verify authenticity before putting any item on the selling floor and if deemed as fake or authenticity can't be determined, they aren't allowed (by law) to sell it. Clearly, they didn't do their due diligence before selling it.

Note that charitable organizations (goodwill, Salvation Army, Savers, church thrifts, etc.) aren't exempt from the law.

I got it at Savers, so next time I go there I'll see what they say. Thanks for the advice.

 

[erin323]

Obviously you can't sell it, unless you want to take the hangtags off and cut the creed out and just sell it as a generic bag. Or you could take off the hangtags and just use it yourself.

I would never sell a fake. EVER. And I would feel icky carrying one.

I might give it to my mom, without the hangtag, and tell her that it's fake. She doesn't really care about purses... evidenced by the fact that she still hasn't used the gorgeous bag I gave her for her birthday a few months ago because she "doesn't want to mess it up" but, I digress.

 

[BeenBurned]

Hello
Please authenticate this bag
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261245124262?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

It's fine.

I got it at Savers, so next time I go there I'll see what they say. Thanks for the advice.

Actually, Savers is one of the few thrift stores that has a 7-day exchange policy. So you can return it. (They do claim that they don't sell as "authentic" and deny breaking the law but that's a fight for another day.)