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MRSBWS said:
To me, the seller's response sounds legit. This seller had 2 other new Legacy bags listed way before they were to be sold in the stores. They was discussed in one of the Legacy threads. One had a P following the style number. And, I don't think the other had a serial number. So, since these are sample bags that were used for a photo shoot, that explains why the seller had the bags so early. And, it would explain the serial numbers. I know we see a lot of fakes and shady sellers on eBay. And, I know we're conditioned to be doubtful. But, in this case it all sounds like it's on the up-and-up. That's just my opinion.
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The one with the P had the correct serial number, and it is possible that a sample bag might not have any serial number, but this bag has a number that belongs to another style. I just don't see how that is possible.
 
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whateve said:
The one with the P had the correct serial number, and it is possible that a sample bag might not have any serial number, but this bag has a number that belongs to another style. I just don't see how that is possible.
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The creed also says it's made out of the finest materials AND leather. That creed statement is usually only used with fabric or partly fabric bags.
 
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Hyacinth said:
The creed also says it's made out of the finest materials AND leather. That creed statement is usually only used with fabric or partly fabric bags.
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I don't think this is true anymore. I have a Kristin leather spectator domed satchel that I got from the factory online sale and it says finest materials and leather, and the only fabric on it is the lining. Actually my leather Kristin spectator hobo from early 2011 also says that and I bought it in a boutique.
 
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Hi again Hyacinth. so sorry for asking too many questions and again, THANK YOU SO MUCH for your time.

i have read your authentication regarding the plant code "J" that it is supposed to be a China manufacturing plant.

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-13.html#post19505876

question is, i also received a classic style coach bag with the plant code "J" but the creed says it was handcrafted in the united states. the zipper pull is silver-toned while the rest of the hardware is gold-toned. may i ask for your thoughts on this bag please? thank you so much Hyacinth.

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Hyacinth said:
Please follow the instructions in post #1 about the information and photos we need to authenticate. We need a large readable photo of the creed patch showing the creed statement and serial number. Since the lining probably isn't sewn to the bag's seams she can just loosen it from the bag at the bottom and pull it out to. Good lighting and using the macro setting on her camera should help.
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I know, I am sorry. The seller doesn't seem to understand what I am asking for. I am awaiting more information from her. I would be happy even just knowing what the style name it is. She tells me it is one made in the united states.
 
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thriftaholic said:
Hi again Hyacinth. so sorry for asking too many questions and again, THANK YOU SO MUCH for your time.

i have read your authentication regarding the plant code "J" that it is supposed to be a China manufacturing plant.

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-13.html#post19505876

question is, i also received a classic style coach bag with the plant code "J" but the creed says it was handcrafted in the united states. the zipper pull is silver-toned while the rest of the hardware is gold-toned. may i ask for your thoughts on this bag please? thank you so much Hyacinth.

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The information I collect on plant codes changes constantly, and this is being added to my files. Some of the China plant codes might have been used very briefly in US plants that were only open for a short time and this may be one of them. The FS stamp to the right of the creed isn't something you'd find in a fake, so it's almost certain there WAS a J plant open in the US or one of its terretories at one time. Other possibilities are that a fake was returned to a Coach store or outlet and ended up being marked down as a Final Sale item, or the bag just didn't meet production standards and was reduced for final sale, or even that Coach may actually have been making some test bags in a Chinese plant but marked them with a Made in US creed.

The big problem with the Court Bag you mentioned from a previous post is that the year code is for 2002, and by that time the J plant was already producing bags in China. J codes are pretty common in styles from the early 2000s so a J code marked as US-made from April 2002 would have been strange. But as always, something could turn up later to make me change my thinking. A pic of that creed is below. Remember, NONE of this information comes from Coach since they've never released any of it publicly. EVERYTHING on plant codes has to be figured out from the bags themselves, and maybe not all of those are genuine either.

The overlarge zipper pull is unusual, I've seen similar designs on genuine bags though. It probably wasn't on the bag originally since silver hardware wasn't even used in 1997 with the possible exception of one very early Chinese plant that I've only seen on one other bag that I'm still not completely sure about. It also looks like the grommets around the buckle holes in the strap are silver-tone instead of brass but that could just be a trick of the light.

There aren't any easy answers and what went on behind the scenes is something we'll never know. Trying to figure it out is mostly a matter of guesswork. On your Janice's Legacy the creed stamp itself seems ok, the serial number font is a bit large but that could just be a quirk of that particular plant, the strap grommets are a question mark, and the zipper pull may be a plant mistake or a later repair. So in this case, you're guess is as good as mine, because all I can do is guess.
 

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CoachMaven said:
I know, I am sorry. The seller doesn't seem to understand what I am asking for. I am awaiting more information from her. I would be happy even just knowing what the style name it is. She tells me it is one made in the united states.
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There are one or two bags in that style that did have fabric linings and were made in the US but I need the serial number form the creed patch to know what style it actually is. Ask her to tell you the line of letters and numbers at the bottom of the leather patch. And even then I still can't say for sure if it's authentic until you can send me photos of the creed.
 
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