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amo_borse said:
Item: New Coach 21194 Legacy Archival Rambler Black Cherry $348 Free Shipping
Listing number: 330882898990
Seller: hnpbags1
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Coach-2...-Black-Cherry-348-Free-Shipping-/330882898990
Comments: So the item listing is obviously incorrect for this bag, but is the bag itself (the penny #19914) authentic? I'm a little wary that the seller has a picture of the tag, which lists the wrong color for the bag it is on, and then lists it as a completely different bag. Also, the BIN price is more than the bag is worth in the first place.
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whateve said:
The penny looks authentic. Don't you think this could be black cherry, rather than carnelian, since the tag says that? You can't judge authenticity by how much the seller charges.
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That seller's listing is full of errors and contradictory information but the bag looks fine.

1. My guess is that the seller doesn't know how to read the tag on the bag so she did a search looking for bags she thought were similar and came up with 21194 as the style she thought she had.

2. The tag she shows indicates "black cherry" as the color. The bag appears to be black cherry so I don't see why you'd think it was any other color

3. As for the seller charging higher than retail, you need to understand that this is a current item, undiscounted in most department stores. Therefore if the seller paid full price ($198), there was a sales tax added to it so depending on the sales tax rate in her state, it could have added another $15. Add to that the fact that ebay fees are around 10%, paypal fees are another 3-4% and the seller should certainly be allowed a profit for her time. Plus, isn't there a benefit that you, as buyer, can sit in the comfort of your home, punch a couple of keys on your computer and have someone else do your shopping. Considering the price of gas, you're getting a bargain!

Take all the seller's expenses into account and the seller is lucky to barely break even. Many buyers assume sellers are gouging but that isn't the case.

My only issue with the listing is that the listing shows as "free shipping" yet the description states a shipping charge. That's something the seller cannot do. If she lists it as having free shipping, she cannot charge the buyer extra for shipping. The seller also errs in her description by including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico as "international" shipping.

If you have questions regarding the different style number in the title vs. what the pictures show, ask the seller for clarification.
 
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item- Coach 9790 Black City Flap Leather Handbag
seller- tradedays247
link- http://www.ebay.com/itm/190804561284?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

item-VTG Coach Classic Prairie Shoulder British Leather Lock Flap Crossbody USA MINT
seller- university-trading
link- http://www.ebay.com/itm/170998107532?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

item- Vintage Authentic COACH Green Leather Purse Shoulder Bag No. K4C-9870
seller- gansett-grommet
link- http://www.ebay.com/itm/271162676086?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

item- Vintage COACH Handbag, Station Bag, Crossbody Messenger, British Tan, Hang Tag
seller- cindsand
link- http://www.ebay.com/itm/160984282242?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Thanks! Your expertise is so appreciated
 
#7,174
ledobe said:
Thanks for including the seller name-I have been having a hard time with the board logging me out when I post and I didn't follow the usual format because i didn't want to lose what I posted-and I caught that name, but I didn't realize she did it twice!



Just for the record, I'm not trying to prove the one I posted is real by using this bag as an example, I have questions about the authenticity of this listing, but no way to prove it. I asked the seller to send me a picture of the creed and the attached tag. He promised to do so and never did. If I had been able to get that I probably would have posted the bag sooner.

The stitching on the back looks like the stitching on my bag, there is something about leather on the close up shot of the strap that looks like mine too. The misspelled title caught my eye too, and the mismatched box.

I mentioned the nickel hardware for two reasons. One is that with all the time I spent looking for information on a burgundy bag with nickel hardware, all I ever found was brass. However, I know that even if never appeared out there it doesn't mean it didn't exist or wasn't special ordered. The second was just that it matched mine and it makes me wonder if there aren't a few burgundy/brass fake bags out there and I thought I'd let you know.
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There are fake bags in all kinds of combinations. After the nickel hardware became available many of the styles were available with either metal so that's usually not an accurate way to tell real from fake. And people always forget that Coach made quite a few unique colors and combinations for the big retailers like Macy's and for their own Resort B&M stores, and those combinations don't show up anywhere in catalogs, on the Wayback, or anywhere else.
 
#7,175
rhs0789 said:
item- Coach 9790 Black City Flap Leather Handbag
seller- tradedays247
link- http://www.ebay.com/itm/190804561284?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

item-VTG Coach Classic Prairie Shoulder British Leather Lock Flap Crossbody USA MINT
seller- university-trading
link- http://www.ebay.com/itm/170998107532?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

item- Vintage Authentic COACH Green Leather Purse Shoulder Bag No. K4C-9870
seller- gansett-grommet
link- http://www.ebay.com/itm/271162676086?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

item- Vintage COACH Handbag, Station Bag, Crossbody Messenger, British Tan, Hang Tag
seller- cindsand
link- http://www.ebay.com/itm/160984282242?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Thanks! Your expertise is so appreciated
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All three look ok.
 
#7,176
whateve said:
The penny looks authentic. Don't you think this could be black cherry, rather than carnelian, since the tag says that? You can't judge authenticity by how much the seller charges.
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Thank you for taking a look. I do see how that could be BC in bad lighting. I guess I was just taken aback by the seller listing it as something completely different, even when the tag says what the bag is. I'm glad it's authentic, because it could be a great deal.
 
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BeenBurned said:
That seller's listing is full of errors and contradictory information but the bag looks fine.

1. My guess is that the seller doesn't know how to read the tag on the bag so she did a search looking for bags she thought were similar and came up with 21194 as the style she thought she had.

2. The tag she shows indicates "black cherry" as the color. The bag appears to be black cherry so I don't see why you'd think it was any other color

3. As for the seller charging higher than retail, you need to understand that this is a current item, undiscounted in most department stores. Therefore if the seller paid full price ($198), there was a sales tax added to it so depending on the sales tax rate in her state, it could have added another $15. Add to that the fact that ebay fees are around 10%, paypal fees are another 3-4% and the seller should certainly be allowed a profit for her time. Plus, isn't there a benefit that you, as buyer, can sit in the comfort of your home, punch a couple of keys on your computer and have someone else do your shopping. Considering the price of gas, you're getting a bargain!

Take all the seller's expenses into account and the seller is lucky to barely break even. Many buyers assume sellers are gouging but that isn't the case.

My only issue with the listing is that the listing shows as "free shipping" yet the description states a shipping charge. That's something the seller cannot do. If she lists it as having free shipping, she cannot charge the buyer extra for shipping. The seller also errs in her description by including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico as "international" shipping.

If you have questions regarding the different style number in the title vs. what the pictures show, ask the seller for clarification.
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Thank you for the information and your time. Because of the sellers errors and contradictory info I just wanted to make sure the bag was worth my time. I understand what you mean about pricing it above retail. I hadn't thought of that. I appreciate everyone's help.
 
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Good afternoon! I got both of these Willis' cleared as authentic a few days ago. I was so happy with the one with nickel hardware that I bought the one with brass shortly after. I got it today and it just doesnt feel as substantial as the other. The zipper is plastic, the pull is less hefty, it is lighter weight, and there is a slight difference in the handle. Is this just how Coach is making them these days?

http://s1240.beta.photobucket.com/user/Meggiemoo84/library/#/user/Meggiemoo84/library/?&_suid=136243022581804505575002474966

Here is the original listing I posted on here:
Seller: Vanvirgo
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261174147195?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Can somebody take a look and tell me if this is normal for more current bags? Are differences like this between bags common? Thank you :smile1:
 
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Item: NWT AUTHENTIC COACH 19891 LEGACY SUNFLOWER LEATHER CANDACE CARRYALL
Seller: itsinaclutch
Link+Listing Number:

111023464913

140923942674

140923212827

140922535116

121072975857

Comments: Seller has many multiples of the same Coach bags, which are still being sold by Coach for $328 retail, and hence it's hard to see how they are making a profit. They use the same photos and hence the same pictures of the creed for different listings. They're doing a huge volume of trade in discount Coach but it's hard to see how they aren't too good to be true. I searched for the seller's name on here and found one (positive) authentication.
 
#7,181
MEGM said:
Good afternoon! I got both of these Willis' cleared as authentic a few days ago. I was so happy with the one with nickel hardware that I bought the one with brass shortly after. I got it today and it just doesnt feel as substantial as the other. The zipper is plastic, the pull is less hefty, it is lighter weight, and there is a slight difference in the handle. Is this just how Coach is making them these days?

http://s1240.beta.photobucket.com/user/Meggiemoo84/library/#/user/Meggiemoo84/library/?&_suid=136243022581804505575002474966

Here is the original listing I posted on here:
Seller: Vanvirgo
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261174147195?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Can somebody take a look and tell me if this is normal for more current bags? Are differences like this between bags common? Thank you :smile1:
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The difference is when and where they were made. The brass one was made in China. The other one was made in the US.
 
#7,183
biloxigirl27 said:
I bought some Coach purses and would like to know if they are real. If I would have found this site first I would have checked before I got them. The 2 patchworks came with the wallets. I could not find anything on the small black one. It does not have a creed patch in it. First time buying Coach so I hope I did good......:)
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biloxigirl27 said:
I am new here and I guess I did something wrong. Do I need to do something else to see if my purses are real? Thanks :)
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Nope, you did nothing wrong. I thought I'd replied but my CRS kicked in.

Your bags all look fine.
 
#7,184
thewhiterabbit1 said:
Item: NWT AUTHENTIC COACH 19891 LEGACY SUNFLOWER LEATHER CANDACE CARRYALL
Seller: itsinaclutch
Link+Listing Number:

111023464913

140923942674

140923212827

140922535116

121072975857

Comments: Seller has many multiples of the same Coach bags, which are still being sold by Coach for $328 retail, and hence it's hard to see how they are making a profit. They use the same photos and hence the same pictures of the creed for different listings. They're doing a huge volume of trade in discount Coach but it's hard to see how they aren't too good to be true. I searched for the seller's name on here and found one (positive) authentication.
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I don't see any problems with the seller's auction listings nor with the bidding patterns.

Although with pre-owned items, we like to see actual item pictures, when sellers sell NWT items, they often purchase multiples, especially when they get good sale prices.

I agree that the selling prices on itsinaclutch's items don't seem high enough to make much money and it's also not a good economy to take chances on a bidding war happening on low-starting bid items.

I don't know how or why she's taking such a risk for losing money but I don't see any red flags regarding authenticity of her Coach items.

ETA: Hmm. A thought occurred to me. I wonder whether the seller is listing on speculation, buying the bags after items are sold.

Her feedback indicates that she might be buying the items following the listings' endings. And based on the implications that items weren't available or that the shipping/delivery were slow, I wonder whether she's refunding when unable to find the bags:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=itsinaclutch&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home
 
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#7,185
BeenBurned said:
I don't see any problems with the seller's auction listings nor with the bidding patterns.

Although with pre-owned items, we like to see actual item pictures, when sellers sell NWT items, they often purchase multiples, especially when they get good sale prices.

I agree that the selling prices on itsinaclutch's items don't seem high enough to make much money and it's also not a good economy to take chances on a bidding war happening on low-starting bid items.

I don't know how or why she's taking such a risk for losing money but I don't see any red flags regarding authenticity of her Coach items.
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Thanks for the reply!!

So from what you're saying, it sounds like I'd have to wait to actually get the item in-hand in order to determine authenticity? How hard is it to determine authenticity on these new Legacy bags? Are these designs spoofed a lot?
 
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