I think it may be ok, at least there don't seem to be any other problems with it. There's always going to be a question mark with that prefix but this seems to be one of the real ones.
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I think it may be ok, at least there don't seem to be any other problems with it. There's always going to be a question mark with that prefix but this seems to be one of the real ones.
Please authenticate:
1. Black Classic Flap
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/black-classic-flap-2/
2. Black 9944
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/black-classic-flap/
3. Tan hobo
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/tan-hobo/
4. Mahogany 9164
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/legacy-shoulder-bag-9164/
5. Navy small purse
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/navy-small-purse/
Please single click first picture to start a slideshow, click x in upper left corner to close. Any corrections or help with style names/numbers would be appreciated. Thank you for your time!
1. Black Classic Flap
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/black-classic-flap-2/
2. Black 9944
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/black-classic-flap/
3. Tan hobo
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/tan-hobo/
4. Mahogany 9164
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/legacy-shoulder-bag-9164/
5. Navy small purse
Link: http://acoachcollection.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/navy-small-purse/
Please single click first picture to start a slideshow, click x in upper left corner to close. Any corrections or help with style names/numbers would be appreciated. Thank you for your time!
1- Classic Shoulder Bag, style 9170. Early to mid 1980s
2- Taylor Zip
3- Swinger, style 4040 from the late 80s Lightweights
4- Legacy East-West Compartment Bag
5- Dinky Bag, #9375
Whateve, you posted images of an olive Chauncey bag on a thread showcasing green Coach purses. After you return from your trip, I hope you could post additional pictures of your bag to compare with pictures of a bag I purchased in an antique mall. My original posts, which have several pictures on it, can be found at
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-57.html#post19667706
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-58.html#post19673261
Thank you too, Hyacinth, for taking another look.
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-57.html#post19667706
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-58.html#post19673261
Thank you too, Hyacinth, for taking another look.
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My bag is very similar to yours. Here are some pictures. There is a sticker inside the pocket with the patent number for the magnetic snap. My zipper is either black or navy - I can't tell. A lot of older bags have navy zippers that don't match the bag color.
There is one on Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/120992764799?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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Hello! This is my very first post. I'm so happy I found this website. I have already learned so much from yall. Below is a Ebay Coach purse listing that I would greatly appreciate someone telling me if the bag is legit.
Item: COACH MADISON OP ART LUREX SOPHIA NWT 18608 GUNMETAL/BLACK
Listing number: 271071968013
Seller: rabbitsrule2
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-MADIS...013?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3f1d25fb0d
Comments: Can someone please help me by authenticating this Coach bag?
Thank you!
Item: COACH MADISON OP ART LUREX SOPHIA NWT 18608 GUNMETAL/BLACK
Listing number: 271071968013
Seller: rabbitsrule2
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-MADIS...013?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3f1d25fb0d
Comments: Can someone please help me by authenticating this Coach bag?
Thank you!
It looks good to me but I would ask the seller for a clear close-up picture of the creed with the serial number to be sure. Other than not showing the creed it looks authentic to me.
Please wait for more opinions.And welcome to the purse forum!!
Hi Hyacinth,
I am new to this forum - this is my first time here. I am a seller on Ebay, Miss Muffet's Vintage, and I recently had a listing pulled I'm guessing due to authenticity. I am devastated by this and a little confused as I was sure the bag was authentic. It is Style 9063. The Creed is a bit worn but I have seen this before on other bags I have sold. You seem very knowledgeable regarding Coach and I have learned so much from your Ebay Guides. Anyways, could you please take a look at my bag and any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. These are all of the pictures I had on my listing. Thank you so much for your help.
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0345.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0346.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0348.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0349.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0351.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0352.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0353.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0354.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0356.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0357.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0358.jpg
I am new to this forum - this is my first time here. I am a seller on Ebay, Miss Muffet's Vintage, and I recently had a listing pulled I'm guessing due to authenticity. I am devastated by this and a little confused as I was sure the bag was authentic. It is Style 9063. The Creed is a bit worn but I have seen this before on other bags I have sold. You seem very knowledgeable regarding Coach and I have learned so much from your Ebay Guides. Anyways, could you please take a look at my bag and any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. These are all of the pictures I had on my listing. Thank you so much for your help.
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0345.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0346.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0348.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0349.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0351.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0352.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0353.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0354.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0356.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0357.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/gg627/Littlemissmuffet808/Bags 2/IMG_0358.jpg
I have never seen a 2004 bag with a K plant code. I think I have only seen B, C and D for that year. I wonder where the K plant was located.
See what Hyacinth or Demram have to say.
I see one problem with the creed and serial number. Someone who doesn't know the production history of Coach's styles could think the creed and serial are ok but that bag shows a year code for 1994. But style 9063, Legacy Satchel, wasn't even intoduced until very late 1998 or early 1999 as a '99 style. I checked my Coach catalogs and the "1999 Preview" catalog circulated in early 1999, "Prices valid until June 30, 1999" on the order page, lists the 9063 Legacy Satchel as a NEW style. So a creed with a serial number including a 1994 date code would never have been possible. The style number 9063 also fits right into the sequence of style numbers beginning with 90xx. Obviously not all style numbers were created by Coach in sequence but from 1998 to 2000 they stuck pretty much to going through the 90xx numbers in order, other than a few like 9085 that had already been in use for decades. That bag couldn't have been made in 1994. The other possibility is a mistake at the plant but it would be unusual for Quality Control not to have caught it. Still remotely possible though. I don't have one of those to compare yours to but the details other than the serial number seem to be ok for a bag of that period. But the year code is a BIG problem and I'd think it's fake too based on that.
On another subject, after looking at your listings let me suggest some things to consider. Many of us familiar with vintage and classic Coaches get very annoyed when sellers use Bonnie Cashin's name on many of the older leather bags they sell. Bonnie may have been the inspiration for some of the design details in bags and other items made after 1974, but she left Coach that year and most of her styles were discontinued or modified and can't really be called or referred to as "Cashin" or "Cashin-era" if they were made after 1974. The Cashin Foundation used to authenticate Coach bags made during that period and they didn't consider styles made after BC left Coach as Cashin or Cashin-era bags.
And because most although not all of her styles used her distinctive labels or lining, and because she left before Coach began using stamped creeds and serial numbers in their bags, it's very unlikely that even true Vintage bags which are by definition 20 years old or more, were designed by Cashin or made on her watch if they have creeds or serial numbers. For the purists among us, using Cashin's name on almost all vintage bags is confusing and misleading.
Some of the information you're using to date your older bags may not be right. If you're using the dates in MrHarley's serial number guide or something similar, be careful. I believe his is a copy of an older guide also with flawed information and in most cases dates that are approximately ten years off. For instance, Coach didn't stop making bags in New York City in the late 70s as those guides claim, they actually closed the NYC production plant in or around 1987. So items that are stamped "Made in New York City" could have been made in the 1980s (up to 1987) as well as in the 70s.
The term "vintage" is another one that gets defined all sorts of different ways, but the experienced sellers who used to post at Ebay's Shoes & Purses board agreed that "vintage" meant 20 years old or more, which seems pretty much in line with other vintage categories.
I've spent six years researching Coach history including plant and production dates and double-checking them against production dates from older Coach catalogs and I believe my dates listed in the Salearea Guides published at Ebay are accurate. Other information on subjects like YKK zippers, Italian leather bags, and the nonsense and outright lies found in 95 percent of so-called authenticity guides is also as accurate as years of notes, photos and research can make it. Please read the information in the Salearea Guides. If you have any questions about any of my conclusions I'll be more than happy to explain how I arrived at the answers I did.
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea_W0QQcpnameZmembersQQprZsaleareaQQuqtZg
I also recommend checking Daria48's excellent and continually updated list of the most commonly used fake and usually-fake Coach serial numbers. Many older fakes are amost identical in design and detail to the genuine item, even as far as having the same quality leather. Often the serial number and include production codes combined with information on that item's production history are the only proveable indicators that something is fake.
http://reviews.ebay.com/FAKE-SERIAL-NUMBERS-AND-COUNTERFEIT-COACH-BAGS_W0QQugidZ10000000002744619
We also obviously authenticate Coach items here, and when possible supply names and dates for the style as long as we're sure it's genuine. You can't post any questions about any active auctions or link to them, and you can't do anything to draw attention to or to advertise your own listings. But you CAN ask questions about authenticity and refer us to your Photobucket links for that item.
(BTW, one word on your photos, which are usually excellent - the most important photo besides a pic of the front of the bag itself is a photo of the creed and serial number. I wish you'd put that on the front page instead of at the back. Your photos are very good but navigating between the pages of photos gets to be really frustrating after a while. JMO, because I'm naturally lazy.
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Originally Posted by MissMuffet
Hi Hyacinth,
I am new to this forum - this is my first time here. I am a seller on Ebay, Miss Muffet's Vintage, and I recently had a listing pulled I'm guessing due to authenticity. I am devastated by this and a little confused as I was sure the bag was authentic. It is Style 9063. The Creed is a bit worn but I have seen this before on other bags I have sold. You seem very knowledgeable regarding Coach and I have learned so much from your Ebay Guides. Anyways, could you please take a look at my bag and any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. These are all of the pictures I had on my listing. Thank you so much for your help.
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0345.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0346.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0348.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0349.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0351.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0352.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0353.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0354.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0356.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0357.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0358.jpg
I have a note that I saw one 1994 bag with a K code and Made in the US creed that may have been ok. If it was, that plant was only open for a very short time and production was moved to China by 2000 or 2001 at the latest. The new Chinese plant was already using the K code by then too.
And as I said in my post, the problem isn't so much the K code as the year code. That 9063 Legacy Satchel is a 1999 style.
Hi Hyacinth,
I am new to this forum - this is my first time here. I am a seller on Ebay, Miss Muffet's Vintage, and I recently had a listing pulled I'm guessing due to authenticity. I am devastated by this and a little confused as I was sure the bag was authentic. It is Style 9063. The Creed is a bit worn but I have seen this before on other bags I have sold. You seem very knowledgeable regarding Coach and I have learned so much from your Ebay Guides. Anyways, could you please take a look at my bag and any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated. These are all of the pictures I had on my listing. Thank you so much for your help.
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0345.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0346.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0348.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0349.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0351.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0352.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0353.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0354.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0356.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0357.jpg
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...2/IMG_0358.jpg
I have a note that I saw one 1994 bag with a K code and Made in the US creed that may have been ok. If it was, that plant was only open for a very short time and production was moved to China by 2000 or 2001 at the latest. The new Chinese plant was already using the K code by then too.
And as I said in my post, the problem isn't so much the K code as the year code. That 9063 Legacy Satchel is a 1999 style.
Thanks for the information. This is one of those scary fakes that is so close to the real thing that it would be easy to be fooled.
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