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LunaLove said:
Item: Coach Bag 1970s Flap Saddle
ETSY
Seller: DejaQue
Link:http://www.etsy.com/listing/92676155/vintage-coach-authentic-classic-new-york
Comments: I have never seen the two toned, but I really like it? Is it a Patricia? I can ask for a picture of the creed.
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It's not a Patricia's, it's too small and the Pat's wasn't made until 1994. It's probably a Classic Shoulder Bag style 9170.

I haven't seen a 2-tone quite like that before. The strap doesn't look original especially the textured part in the center. Maybe the owner sent the bag to Coach to replace worn piping and since the rest of the leather had darkened over the years they decided to to go with a contrast look instead. Or it could have been done by a cobbler, the stitching around the piping isn't as precise as you usually see from Coach. I've seen other vintage bags that have been changed like that.
 
#10,219
angelaira said:
Hi! I just bought this, and cannot find any information about it, I know it is made in Italy, and looks like it has a turnlock like those used on the Madison Collection, but other than that I have little information. I am not very familiar with the Italy pieces, so really hoping I didn't buy a fake.

http://www.etsy.com/transaction/80411552
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It is a Madison - Madison Deauville from 1996, style # 4426. The Madisons have a unique type of leather and I haven't seen them faked yet.

There's more information in the Salearea Guide to Italian Coach styles at Ebay:
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea_W0QQcpnameZmembersQQprZsaleareaQQuqtZg
 
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http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-260.html#post20299508

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-260.html#post20299517

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-261.html#post20300132

Hyacinth, last November you kindly authenticated a brown leather portfolio 5040 for me, see the links above for the original pictures and your authentication.

I have finally gotten around to rehabbing it and I have noticed a couple of odd things. I would appreciate your assistance (and DemRam's!) in figuring out what the bag looked like when it was new.

The leather strap on the zipper pull looks unfinished, as though it should have a leather cap or metal band or something on the end to finish off the appearance.

Also, there is a hole punched through the side of the bag at the far end of the zipper. The bag was missing the hangtag and all I can figure is that the hole was made to accomodate the hangtag's chain.

Here are some photos of these mystery areas, can you help me figure them out so that I can do a good job of restoring this bag? Thanks in advance for your help!
 

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Ok, I have another one, and this one is kind of perplexing, and I suspect fake, but I could be wrong...
it is from this listing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/13068839300...NX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_808wt_1123

I thought maybe it was an early bag that possibly had a metal tag that had fallen out, which would explain why it doesn't say Coach anywhere on the listing. Well, when I got it, it has a coach creed.
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It is a really strange creed, it looks like a 1994 or later creed, with style number, but it has the United States under the creed, so I am stumped. And the style number (if that is what it is) corresponds to a lunch box purse or tote, not to this bag. So, I need your help once again today! I know it is not a great photo of the creed, sorry for that, but it does not have any misspellings or anything else obvious in the way it is written that would indicate fake.
 
#10,223
Hyacinth said:
It's not a Patricia's, it's too small and the Pat's wasn't made until 1994. It's probably a Classic Shoulder Bag style 9170.

I haven't seen a 2-tone quite like that before. The strap doesn't look original especially the textured part in the center. Maybe the owner sent the bag to Coach to replace worn piping and since the rest of the leather had darkened over the years they decided to to go with a contrast look instead. Or it could have been done by a cobbler, the stitching around the piping isn't as precise as you usually see from Coach. I've seen other vintage bags that have been changed like that.
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OK, thanks a lot! I think I'll pass, I want a tan Patricia and or crescent bag and have been been having a hard time coming across one, I want the old one, not the newer ones.
 
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angelaira said:
Ok, I have another one, and this one is kind of perplexing, and I suspect fake, but I could be wrong...
it is from this listing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/13068839300...NX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_808wt_1123

I thought maybe it was an early bag that possibly had a metal tag that had fallen out, which would explain why it doesn't say Coach anywhere on the listing. Well, when I got it, it has a coach creed.
2m3l4av.jpg

It is a really strange creed, it looks like a 1994 or later creed, with style number, but it has the United States under the creed, so I am stumped. And the style number (if that is what it is) corresponds to a lunch box purse or tote, not to this bag. So, I need your help once again today! I know it is not a great photo of the creed, sorry for that, but it does not have any misspellings or anything else obvious in the way it is written that would indicate fake.
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Is it possible to post a larger photo of the creed and serial number?

There are several problems which might be why the seller doesn't mention Coach in the listing. Whether or not she sold it as a Coach, if it's counterfeit it's still illegal to sell. The style number and plant code are both wrong, it might be trying to be a Saddle Bag but that style wasn't introduced in the catalogs until 1997. Style 9991 belongs to a Lunch Box Zip. The plant code belongs to Costa Rica. I really need to see more photos of the bag though, like an angled view showing the side and a photo of the bottom, along with both a close-up and a wider view of the creed showing the pocket it's stamped onto.

BTW, some styles and plants were still using the old-style creeds with the "Made In ..." at the bottom well into 1995 and maybe even early 1996 so that doesn't prove it's a fake.

Contact the seller and tell her you think the bag might be counterfeit, and ask her why she didn't list it as a Coach. Tell her you want to return it for a refund.
 
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katev said:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-260.html#post20299508

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-260.html#post20299517

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-261.html#post20300132

Hyacinth, last November you kindly authenticated a brown leather portfolio 5040 for me, see the links above for the original pictures and your authentication.

I have finally gotten around to rehabbing it and I have noticed a couple of odd things. I would appreciate your assistance (and DemRam's!) in figuring out what the bag looked like when it was new.

The leather strap on the zipper pull looks unfinished, as though it should have a leather cap or metal band or something on the end to finish off the appearance.

Also, there is a hole punched through the side of the bag at the far end of the zipper. The bag was missing the hangtag and all I can figure is that the hole was made to accomodate the hangtag's chain.

Here are some photos of these mystery areas, can you help me figure them out so that I can do a good job of restoring this bag? Thanks in advance for your help!
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I found a similar portfolio in a completed auction on ebay and it does appear that the hangtag chain goes through the side of the bag. I still can't figure out the strap although this one looks much better than mine. It appears that the ends are turned in somehow?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6AOHFhDZiLRYlipNNi7nQ%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
 
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Hyacinth said:
Is it possible to post a larger photo of the creed and serial number?

There are several problems which might be why the seller doesn't mention Coach in the listing. Whether or not she sold it as a Coach, if it's counterfeit it's still illegal to sell. The style number and plant code are both wrong, it might be trying to be a Saddle Bag but that style wasn't introduced in the catalogs until 1997. Style 9991 belongs to a Lunch Box Zip. The plant code belongs to Costa Rica. I really need to see more photos of the bag though, like an angled view showing the side and a photo of the bottom, along with both a close-up and a wider view of the creed showing the pocket it's stamped onto.

BTW, some styles and plants were still using the old-style creeds with the "Made In ..." at the bottom well into 1995 and maybe even early 1996 so that doesn't prove it's a fake.

Contact the seller and tell her you think the bag might be counterfeit, and ask her why she didn't list it as a Coach. Tell her you want to return it for a refund.
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Thank you Hyacinth, here is a link to some more photos of the bag:
http://coachbagrehab.blogspot.com/2012/05/creed-from-black-bag.html

And I got three other bags at really low prices from the same seller that she says are authentic. The Basic bag above the entry I linked to is also from her, but it looks totally right to me, and she listed it as a Coach and as authentic. It has the Talon zipper, the leather feels right, etc. And just for the record, she was friendly, and combined shipping on these two and on the other two I ordered.
 
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katev said:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-260.html#post20299508

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-260.html#post20299517

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-261.html#post20300132

Hyacinth, last November you kindly authenticated a brown leather portfolio 5040 for me, see the links above for the original pictures and your authentication.

I have finally gotten around to rehabbing it and I have noticed a couple of odd things. I would appreciate your assistance (and DemRam's!) in figuring out what the bag looked like when it was new.

The leather strap on the zipper pull looks unfinished, as though it should have a leather cap or metal band or something on the end to finish off the appearance.

Also, there is a hole punched through the side of the bag at the far end of the zipper. The bag was missing the hangtag and all I can figure is that the hole was made to accomodate the hangtag's chain.

Here are some photos of these mystery areas, can you help me figure them out so that I can do a good job of restoring this bag? Thanks in advance for your help!
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I made a mistake in the original identification, the dimensions indicate it might have been a Slim Clutch Large like the one someone else asked about earlier today. The Portfolio is listed as 17 inches by 11, and the Slim Clutch as 13x9.

All I have are drawings from 30-year old catalogs so they're not going to be much help, and I've never owned that style. It's probably best to have DemRam or Noshoepolish take a look.
 
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angelaira said:
Thank you Hyacinth, here is a link to some more photos of the bag:
http://coachbagrehab.blogspot.com/2012/05/creed-from-black-bag.html

And I got three other bags at really low prices from the same seller that she says are authentic. The Basic bag above the entry I linked to is also from her, but it looks totally right to me, and she listed it as a Coach and as authentic. It has the Talon zipper, the leather feels right, etc.
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It's definitely a copy of the late 90s (1997?) Saddle Bag but with a fake 1994 creed. In addition to the other problems we both spotted, the position of the creed itself is wrong, it's too low on the pocket. Both Saddle Bag style 9988 and the Lunch Box Zip style 9991 were introduced at least a year after the supposed date on the bag you bought. And although the M plant code seems to have moved around quite a bit, during late 1994 when yours is date-coded it was pretty much Costa Rica only except for a few oddball US Olympic Games items.
 
#10,230
katev said:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-260.html#post20299508

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-260.html#post20299517

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-261.html#post20300132

Hyacinth, last November you kindly authenticated a brown leather portfolio 5040 for me, see the links above for the original pictures and your authentication.

I have finally gotten around to rehabbing it and I have noticed a couple of odd things. I would appreciate your assistance (and DemRam's!) in figuring out what the bag looked like when it was new.

The leather strap on the zipper pull looks unfinished, as though it should have a leather cap or metal band or something on the end to finish off the appearance.

Also, there is a hole punched through the side of the bag at the far end of the zipper. The bag was missing the hangtag and all I can figure is that the hole was made to accomodate the hangtag's chain.

Here are some photos of these mystery areas, can you help me figure them out so that I can do a good job of restoring this bag? Thanks in advance for your help!
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Hi Kate. I'm certainly not sure, but I think the bag you found could explain how the leather strap on the zipper pull would have been stitched originally. Simply folded over and stitched flat.

I'm just guessing, but it does look as though there is a small dark area where there could have been stitches - OR - maybe they used the leather "band" as seen on the 2nd one.

I'm just not familiar with the hole in the leather, though it's certainly possible.

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