She is happy with the bag...but will probably do more research...she just wasn't familiar with the no creed days. The buckle is actually just decorative...it was the thickness of the strap and the color that I really liked.I have the exact same questions that Hyacinth has. What exactly is the buyer questioning? That it's a Cashin design? That it's Coach? That it's authentic?
I've never seen that style (which means nothing) but is the buckle on the front of the bag simply decorative or does it actually open and close the bag?
Simply because it's an older Coach doesn't mean it's a "Cashin" design. That is a question for the Cashin Foundation and I don't think they are authenticating at this time.
Sorry, but I have nothing but questions.
AUTHENTICATE This COACH
- Thread starter Vlad
- Start date
TPF may earn a commission from merchant affiliate
links, including eBay, Amazon, and others
- Status
Originally Posted by Hyacinth 
It's earlier than I'm familiar with. Can I ask why you feel it's a Cashin bag and not just an early Coach? Have you had any similar styles authenticated by the Cashin Foundation?
And is your buyer questioning that it's a Coach, or that it's a Cashin design, and did they give you any reasons?
Hopefully either DemRam or Denimbarks will take a look.
Oooooh Brother.
I REALLY wish that buyers of older and vintage Coaches would have to pass some sort of test before they're even allowed to bid on anything more than 2 years old. AND that I could wave a magic wand and make 95 percent of the "authenticity guides" on the internet disappear forever.
For starters - please never use the term "Cashin bag" or "Cashin-era" unless you've verified that Bonnie Cashin actually designed the bag and it was made while she worked at Coach. It's NOT a blanket term for vintage Coaches, although hundreds of sellers seem to use it as such. There's a very specific time period and specific design details involved and there's no proof your bag has either.
Second, tell the buyer who can't be bothered to do a little research about older Coaches to read every single one of Salearea's Coach Guides posted at Ebay, ESPECIALLY the ones about creeds, serial numbers and classic and vintage bags:
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea_W0QQcpnameZmembersQQprZsaleareaQQuqtZg
If she still has questions after that she can come here and ask instead of believing the nonsense and outright lies found posted all over the Internet.
As for your bag, I haven't seen it before either, but my experience with Coach doesn't go back to 1960 and I'm sure there are plenty of older Coaches I've never seen. We'd probably need a lot more photos and even then would only be able to guess, since that little metal plaque is probably pretty easy to switch from a Coach to a non-Coach. I'll bow to the opinions of the other posters I mentioned before when it comes to true vintage Coach.
It's earlier than I'm familiar with. Can I ask why you feel it's a Cashin bag and not just an early Coach? Have you had any similar styles authenticated by the Cashin Foundation?And is your buyer questioning that it's a Coach, or that it's a Cashin design, and did they give you any reasons?
Hopefully either DemRam or Denimbarks will take a look.
Oooooh Brother.
I REALLY wish that buyers of older and vintage Coaches would have to pass some sort of test before they're even allowed to bid on anything more than 2 years old. AND that I could wave a magic wand and make 95 percent of the "authenticity guides" on the internet disappear forever.
For starters - please never use the term "Cashin bag" or "Cashin-era" unless you've verified that Bonnie Cashin actually designed the bag and it was made while she worked at Coach. It's NOT a blanket term for vintage Coaches, although hundreds of sellers seem to use it as such. There's a very specific time period and specific design details involved and there's no proof your bag has either.
Second, tell the buyer who can't be bothered to do a little research about older Coaches to read every single one of Salearea's Coach Guides posted at Ebay, ESPECIALLY the ones about creeds, serial numbers and classic and vintage bags:
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea_W0QQcpnameZmembersQQprZsaleareaQQuqtZg
If she still has questions after that she can come here and ask instead of believing the nonsense and outright lies found posted all over the Internet.
As for your bag, I haven't seen it before either, but my experience with Coach doesn't go back to 1960 and I'm sure there are plenty of older Coaches I've never seen. We'd probably need a lot more photos and even then would only be able to guess, since that little metal plaque is probably pretty easy to switch from a Coach to a non-Coach. I'll bow to the opinions of the other posters I mentioned before when it comes to true vintage Coach.
Thanks you guys! This is super helpful. I am new to buying Coach on ebay so this really helps alot. I recently bought another Beekman which is coming in the mail. Im nervous about its authenticity also so I will post pictures here when it arrives. Thanks again!
Agreed...but she is happy with the bag....and I will take your advice as well...primarily as a buyer...I didn't know much about Cashin when I bought it....I mostly have clothing which I buy from auction houses...or where I can authenticate elsewhere.Originally Posted by Hyacinth
And is your buyer questioning that it's a Coach, or that it's a Cashin design, and did they give you any reasons?
Hopefully either DemRam or Denimbarks will take a look.
Oooooh Brother.
I REALLY wish that buyers of older and vintage Coaches would have to pass some sort of test before they're even allowed to bid on anything more than 2 years old. AND that I could wave a magic wand and make 95 percent of the "authenticity guides" on the internet disappear forever.
For starters - please never use the term "Cashin bag" or "Cashin-era" unless you've verified that Bonnie Cashin actually designed the bag and it was made while she worked at Coach. It's NOT a blanket term for vintage Coaches, although hundreds of sellers seem to use it as such. There's a very specific time period and specific design details involved and there's no proof your bag has either.
Second, tell the buyer who can't be bothered to do a little research about older Coaches to read every single one of Salearea's Coach Guides posted at Ebay, ESPECIALLY the ones about creeds, serial numbers and classic and vintage bags:
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea_W0QQcpnameZmembersQQprZsaleareaQQuqtZg
If she still has questions after that she can come here and ask instead of believing the nonsense and outright lies found posted all over the Internet.
As for your bag, I haven't seen it before either, but my experience with Coach doesn't go back to 1960 and I'm sure there are plenty of older Coaches I've never seen. We'd probably need a lot more photos and even then would only be able to guess, since that little metal plaque is probably pretty easy to switch from a Coach to a non-Coach. I'll bow to the opinions of the other posters I mentioned before when it comes to true vintage Coach.
Thanks again.
Wow -- did not know that -- and I do a lot of stuff on ebay....I'll see if I can take it down....usually the ebay filters take care of that stuff.
item: F9P-9061. Not sure of the actual style name.
seller: tarynlyn7
item number: 220875242286
link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Dark-Brown-Leather-Messenger-Purse-/220875242286#ht_4461wt_761
comments: That picture of the inside material and zipper just isn't right.
So, I sent her one email asking if she would post a picture of the creed. I thought perhaps that the last picture was a mistake and not meant to go with this bag, as it obviously does not. Her response was in 3 emails. First she told me that she did the best she could in getting a picture of the creed, but it's inside the purse so she can't get a clear picture. Then she wrote to tell me that Coach manufactures all over the world, including China. If I am not interested she understands. (According to the P in the creed she lists, I'd think this should be Costa Rica).
Her last email addressed one of my questions to her. She had 2 of this bag listed with the same serial number that she noted as F9P-9061. She said that Ebay made a mistake in the listing, that in fact there is only one (she changed that right away). However, she did say, "If there were 2 - they would have the same serial number. I am very well versed in how to tell a real Coach from a fake." ... There could be two if they were made in the same factory, same year and same plant .. same model. Likely?
Anyway, .. your input? Thank you ..
seller: tarynlyn7
item number: 220875242286
link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Dark-Brown-Leather-Messenger-Purse-/220875242286#ht_4461wt_761
comments: That picture of the inside material and zipper just isn't right.
So, I sent her one email asking if she would post a picture of the creed. I thought perhaps that the last picture was a mistake and not meant to go with this bag, as it obviously does not. Her response was in 3 emails. First she told me that she did the best she could in getting a picture of the creed, but it's inside the purse so she can't get a clear picture. Then she wrote to tell me that Coach manufactures all over the world, including China. If I am not interested she understands. (According to the P in the creed she lists, I'd think this should be Costa Rica).
Her last email addressed one of my questions to her. She had 2 of this bag listed with the same serial number that she noted as F9P-9061. She said that Ebay made a mistake in the listing, that in fact there is only one (she changed that right away). However, she did say, "If there were 2 - they would have the same serial number. I am very well versed in how to tell a real Coach from a fake." ... There could be two if they were made in the same factory, same year and same plant .. same model. Likely?
Anyway, .. your input? Thank you ..
item: F9P-9061. Not sure of the actual style name.
seller: tarynlyn7
item number: 220875242286
link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Dark-Brown-Leather-Messenger-Purse-/220875242286#ht_4461wt_761
comments: That picture of the inside material and zipper just isn't right.
So, I sent her one email asking if she would post a picture of the creed. I thought perhaps that the last picture was a mistake and not meant to go with this bag, as it obviously does not. Her response was in 3 emails. First she told me that she did the best she could in getting a picture of the creed, but it's inside the purse so she can't get a clear picture. Then she wrote to tell me that Coach manufactures all over the world, including China. If I am not interested she understands. (According to the P in the creed she lists, I'd think this should be Costa Rica).
Her last email addressed one of my questions to her. She had 2 of this bag listed with the same serial number that she noted as F9P-9061. She said that Ebay made a mistake in the listing, that in fact there is only one (she changed that right away). However, she did say, "If there were 2 - they would have the same serial number. I am very well versed in how to tell a real Coach from a fake." ... There could be two if they were made in the same factory, same year and same plant .. same model. Likely?
Anyway, .. your input? Thank you ..
It's possible she misread Costa Rica for China. The story about 2 bags with identical serial numbers is possible, of course. It would be unusual for the same seller to have "twins" but it's not impossible. And Ebay DOES make mistakes in listings, from posting the same listing twice to posting thousands of listings on October 7th where the gallery photos never showed on the page or in Search.
I'm more worried about the condition of the bag and what she's used on it to get that shiny look. Healthy Coach leather glows softly, it doesn't shine. The texture of the leather on the flap almost looks like it was dried out and she used some sort of heavy-duty conditioner on it.
It is rather shiny. Sometimes I notice that flash photos can produce that shiny look. I'll wait to see if she answers my last email and then ask about the condition of the leather or if she's conditioned it. My last question was just to ask her where the creed says the bag is from but she hasn't answered me yet.
Thanks Hyacinth! .. I'd also want to just be sure that the last photo is a mistake too. Still would like to see a photo of the creed
Item: BEAUTIFUL COACH CROSSOVER MESSENGER BAG/ NWT/BROWN COLORS
Listing number: 320774831325
Seller: mydognellie
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/320774831325?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: Please authenticate. TIA!
Listing number: 320774831325
Seller: mydognellie
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/320774831325?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: Please authenticate. TIA!
That last picture doesn't belong with this listing.Thanks Hyacinth! .. I'd also want to just be sure that the last photo is a mistake too. Still would like to see a photo of the creed
In fact, the seller did the same thing in another Coach listing, showing a Tignanello (I think) lining instead of the proper Coach interior:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Cross...910?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item1e678aaf0e
Pls authenticate this.
Item: Coach Poppy Slim Embossed Zippy Wallet
Item Number: 300602286458
Seller: 2006happyface
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300602286458&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Comments: The wallet had arrived. Evertything is ok, wrapped in a coach tissue, with tag, care card, good leather & stitch quality except that the serial number is not stitched inside the wallet. Is this normal for coach wallet to not contain serial numbers?
thanks in advance
Item: Coach Poppy Slim Embossed Zippy Wallet
Item Number: 300602286458
Seller: 2006happyface
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300602286458&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Comments: The wallet had arrived. Evertything is ok, wrapped in a coach tissue, with tag, care card, good leather & stitch quality except that the serial number is not stitched inside the wallet. Is this normal for coach wallet to not contain serial numbers?
thanks in advance
Please post pictures of the actual wallet you received.Pls authenticate this.
Item: Coach Poppy Slim Embossed Zippy Wallet
Item Number: 300602286458
Seller: 2006happyface
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300602286458&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Comments: The wallet had arrived. Evertything is ok, wrapped in a coach tissue, with tag, care card, good leather & stitch quality except that the serial number is not stitched inside the wallet. Is this normal for coach wallet to not contain serial numbers?
thanks in advance
Unfortunately, had you asked questions prior to bidding or buying, we probably either wouldn't have recommended the seller or would have requested more pictures.
The seller's pictures both in this listing and her other listings do not appear to be her own. (In fact, there's another listing from a different seller for the same wallet using the same pics and description.)
The collage-style photos used by this seller are commonly used by counterfeit-selling websites and in some of 2006happyface's listings, she has pictures of Coach items showing a white gloved hand, a huge red flag, as those pictures are also common on fake-selling sites.
Please post pictures of the front, back, interior, front and back of all paperwork, and the hardware on the front of the wallet.
If more pictures are needed, we can request them later.
Regarding creeds, most wallets don't have them.
Attachments
- Status