Authenticate this COACH

[Hyacinth]

Originally Posted by babyyyj View Post
BeenBurned: I know I shouldnt depend on Google but I was just trying to see what other colors there are and if theres any blogs or forums that talk about this purse. It comes in blue, pink, and khaki but what about black !?

As I said above, I think the bag looks fine. The lining is correct, the creed looks good and the stitching all look fine.

At first I had a question about whether your bag is missing the feet but I believe that they're just cropped out of the picture. The description notes that there are feet.

Other opinions are welcome but the black diaper bag looks fine.

The diaper bag style 6429 also came in black. The one in the listing seems to be ok.

 

[sonak]

I ran across this bag on the internet and just received it yesterday. Upon close inspection it doesn't appear authentic. I will be taking more pictures but for know this is what I have. Don't know the name.

The large buckle in front and on the strap do not have COACH on it like other bags. The inside is clean, but the zipper doesn't have YKK on it.

Also the strap handle is rough leather on the underside.

Again - Not all Coaches have YKK zippers OR "Coach" stamped on the hardware !!!

In fact, if you have bags with Coach stamped on the strap O-rings or any clip attached to the strap, you need to post photos here because it's possible that they're fake.

And speaking of photos - we need larger pics showing more details, please, especially of the creed patch and serial number. Don't bother with photos of the zipper - in fact, please read the many posts in the Answers to Authenticity Questions thread about YKK zippers. And if you still have the link to the page where you bought the bag, please post that too. I'm seeing a possible problem with the creed stamping but we need to be able to see it clearly and to read the serial number. If the lining isn't attached to the bottom seams you can just gently pull it out so that you can take a clear head-on closeup of the creed patch - Macro setting, please.

And if you can unbuckle the strap and take a pic using the Macro setting of the rough leather you mentioned, that would help. Try to get the end of the strap showing both kinds of leather in the photo.

Did you know it was in such rough condition before you bought it?

NO!

I don't see anything that screams fake but a legible and head-on picture of the creed is necessary.

Regarding the buckle sans "Coach" and the non-YKK zipper, those details have NOTHING to do with whether a bag is authentic or not! In general, the more "Coach" engraved hardware on the bag, the more likely that the bag is fake.

And as for YKK zippers, Coach has used several different zipper brands over the years and although YKK was one of them, it doesn't mean a bag is authentic. YKK zippers are sold to counterfeiters as easily as they're sold to legitimate manufacturers. In addition, there are even fake YKK zippers.

Thanks for all the information above. Here are the larger pictures requested. Hopefully this will resolve the authenticity question. I say fake, it doesn't even have a hang tag, but I'm not the expert. TIA

 

[BeenBurned]

Originally Posted by sonak I ran across this bag on the internet and just received it yesterday. Upon close inspection it doesn't appear authentic. I will be taking more pictures but for know this is what I have. Don't know the name.

The large buckle in front and on the strap do not have COACH on it like other bags. The inside is clean, but the zipper doesn't have YKK on it.

Also the strap handle is rough leather on the underside.

Originally Posted by Hyacinth Again - Not all Coaches have YKK zippers OR "Coach" stamped on the hardware !!!

In fact, if you have bags with Coach stamped on the strap O-rings or any clip attached to the strap, you need to post photos here because it's possible that they're fake.

And speaking of photos - we need larger pics showing more details, please, especially of the creed patch and serial number. Don't bother with photos of the zipper - in fact, please read the many posts in the Answers to Authenticity Questions thread about YKK zippers. And if you still have the link to the page where you bought the bag, please post that too. I'm seeing a possible problem with the creed stamping but we need to be able to see it clearly and to read the serial number. If the lining isn't attached to the bottom seams you can just gently pull it out so that you can take a clear head-on closeup of the creed patch - Macro setting, please.

And if you can unbuckle the strap and take a pic using the Macro setting of the rough leather you mentioned, that would help. Try to get the end of the strap showing both kinds of leather in the photo.

Did you know it was in such rough condition before you bought it?

NO!

Originally Posted by BeenBurned I don't see anything that screams fake but a legible and head-on picture of the creed is necessary.

Regarding the buckle sans "Coach" and the non-YKK zipper, those details have NOTHING to do with whether a bag is authentic or not! In general, the more "Coach" engraved hardware on the bag, the more likely that the bag is fake.

And as for YKK zippers, Coach has used several different zipper brands over the years and although YKK was one of them, it doesn't mean a bag is authentic. YKK zippers are sold to counterfeiters as easily as they're sold to legitimate manufacturers. In addition, there are even fake YKK zippers

Thanks for all the information above. Here are the larger pictures requested. Hopefully this will resolve the authenticity question. I say fake, it doesn't even have a hang tag, but I'm not the expert. TIA

Regarding hangtags, they can fall off and get lost or sometimes, people just don't like them and they remove them. Lack of a hangtag doesn't mean much.

Wait for other opinions on this but my opinion is that the bag is authentic. It's very used and the outside appears to be in really bad shape.

 

[Hyacinth]

NO!




Thanks for all the information above. Here are the larger pictures requested. Hopefully this will resolve the authenticity question. I say fake, it doesn't even have a hang tag, but I'm not the expert. TIA

The style number 11842 matches the bag. It's a Soho Pebbled Leather Pocket Flap and you can compare it to the other ones listed on Ebay:
http://clothing.shop.ebay.com/i.htm...sct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=1&_dmd=1&_ipg=50

Not having a hang tag means absolutely nothing. It takes two seconds to remove a hangtag and some people lose them, take them off and never put them back, or never got one with the bag. Never use a hangtag to prove or disprove authenticity.

Looking at your original post and pictures here as well as the new ones:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-577470-381.html#post16424468

and comparing them with the others listed, it looks like this style does NOT have Coach stamped on the front buckle so that's one concern out of the way. Usually fakes will have too many stamped pieces of hardware instead of too few. Also this type of pebbled leather is seldom counterfeited, it's much easier to fake the common types of tanned leather and even easier to fake the Sig and Op Art fabrics.

I'm using these listings for comparison since they have some good clear photos of the areas you're questioning - so far everything I'm seeing matches the genuine bags, even the hard-to-see "Coach" stamp on the UNDERSIDE of the strap buckle which is the kind of thing counterfeiters don't notice or don't bother to reproduce:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Brown-Peb...478?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2eab63a76e
and
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-COACH-SOHO-...001?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item20ae87e4d9
and
http://cgi.ebay.com/NWT-AUTH-COACH-...850?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item4aa2c061d2

There are minor differences in the creed patches but that's because the bags are from different plants, months and years. And there's no question about the authenticity of several of those bags since they're from highly Trusted Sellers and at least one acknowledged Coach expert. The big difference is the strap and that's because the comparison bags are all brand-new while the one you bought has been seriously used and abused.

As far as I can see, your bag is genuine. If the source you bought it from has no system in place to offer refunds to buyers who aren't satisfied with the condition of the bag (like Ebay's SNAD dispute process), your only recourse is to either contact the seller or, if you paid with a credit card, contact the issuer and explain that the bag was damaged and that you want the charge reversed.

Sorry. This is one reason why we keep reminding members to ONLY buy from sellers who post good clear photos of the inside and outside of the actual bag they're selling.

 

[sonak]

Thank you both for your help. I was so hoping for it to be fake which is the only reason they will accept returns. The condition of this bag was described as "appears in good condition." That is a very broad description for the condition of the bag. The color did disguise a lot of the abuse this poor bag received.:cry:

 

[bry_dee]

Is this an authentic Coach planner?

http://cgi.ebay.ph/Authentic-Signature-cCOACH-Planner-Agenda-/180550428352?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_211

Thanks!

 

[GooberJLM]

I went back to Goodwill and they refused to refund. I asked if they knew it was illegal to sell fake coach bags and they just said no.....Maybe it wouldn't be so bad except for the fact that this purse was separate from all the other purses in a glass display with a few other "Designer" purses and marked up a lot more than the regular purses. They charged me $30 for this stupid purse. Yes, I was gullible, but I have never owned a coach before and with the creed inside and all, it looked real to me. Lesson learned. Do you think I should report them to Coach for selling fakes?

 

[BeenBurned]

Thank you both for your help. I was so hoping for it to be fake which is the only reason they will accept returns. The condition of this bag was described as "appears in good condition." That is a very broad description for the condition of the bag. The color did disguise a lot of the abuse this poor bag received.:cry:

You're welcome.

Even from the carpy pictures, it's pretty clear that the bag doesn't "appear to be in good condition." I'd definitely write to the seller and request a return based on the gross non-disclosure.

If she gives you a hard time and if you bought from a site where you can leave feedback, you might want to comment on the condition being extremely inaccurate.

Granted, "condition" on used items is subjective, but there's no way anyone would condition her description of the condition as accurate.

If there's a link to where you bought it, please post.

 

[BeenBurned]

Is this an authentic Coach planner?

http://cgi.ebay.ph/Authentic-Signature-cCOACH-Planner-Agenda-/180550428352?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_211

Thanks!

In the future, please post in the requested format as described in the first post of the thread. It's very helpful in future searches for seller IDs and/or listings.

Authentic Signature cCOACH Planner / Agenda
Item number: 180550428352
Seller: pennysaverstore
Link: http://cgi.ebay.ph/Authentic-Signature-cCOACH-Planner-Agenda-/180550428352?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_211I do not recommend buying from pennysaverstore for a couple of reasons.

1. I'm not sure the seller uses her own pictures. Her listing shows a planner that displays the inserts yet the description states that the fillers aren't included. Understand that the calendar and address book inserts will cost you a minimum of $30 for both. It also appears to be missing the pen that came with it.

2. The seller has fakes. This listing is not authentic Coach:
http://cgi.ebay.ph/cCOACH-Book-Page-Marker-/180550625080?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_211

3. Seller is sneaky and tries to stay under the radar by purposely misspelling the brand names. For the Coach items, she listed them as "cCoach" and for a completed Gucci (?) listing, she spelled the name as "Gcci."

 

[BeenBurned]

I went back to Goodwill and they refused to refund. I asked if they knew it was illegal to sell fake coach bags and they just said no.....Maybe it wouldn't be so bad except for the fact that this purse was separate from all the other purses in a glass display with a few other "Designer" purses and marked up a lot more than the regular purses. They charged me $30 for this stupid purse. Yes, I was gullible, but I have never owned a coach before and with the creed inside and all, it looked real to me. Lesson learned. Do you think I should report them to Coach for selling fakes?

Yes, I think you should report them to Coach. I also think you should call both the store manager and the district manager of the Goodwill store and tell them that you will be reporting them.

Again, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Whether they know it's illegal to sell counterfeit goods or not does not make it okay to sell them. And as sellers, they MUST authenticate items before putting them on the selling floor.

 

[bry_dee]

Yeah, I've been wondering about why the h*ll the fillers aren't included. But judging from the pictures she provided, do you think it's legit? I'd ask her to send me more detailed pictures (and even a newspaper beside it with the date clearly seen). I don't mind the lost pen though. Thanks BeenBurned for your valuable help!

 

[BeenBurned]

Is this an authentic Coach planner?

http://cgi.ebay.ph/Authentic-Signature-cCOACH-Planner-Agenda-/180550428352?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_211

Thanks!

In the future, please post in the requested format as described in the first post of the thread. It's very helpful in future searches for seller IDs and/or listings.

Authentic Signature cCOACH Planner / Agenda
Item number: 180550428352
Seller: pennysaverstore
Link: http://cgi.ebay.ph/Authentic-Signature-cCOACH-Planner-Agenda-/180550428352?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_211I do not recommend buying from pennysaverstore for a couple of reasons.

1. I'm not sure the seller uses her own pictures. Her listing shows a planner that displays the inserts yet the description states that the fillers aren't included. Understand that the calendar and address book inserts will cost you a minimum of $30 for both. It also appears to be missing the pen that came with it.

2. The seller has fakes. This listing is not authentic Coach:
http://cgi.ebay.ph/cCOACH-Book-Page-Marker-/180550625080?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_211

3. Seller is sneaky and tries to stay under the radar by purposely misspelling the brand names. For the Coach items, she listed them as "cCoach" and for a completed Gucci (?) listing, she spelled the name as "Gcci."

Yeah, I've been wondering about why the h*ll the filler isn't included. But judging from the pictures she provided, do you think it's legit? I'd ask her to send me more detailed pictures (and even a newspaper beside it with the date clearly seen). I don't mind the lost pen though. Thanks BeenBurned for your valuable help!

Sheesh! I've provided proof that the seller is less-than-honest, as indicated by the fake Coach bookmark and the purposely misspelled brand names.

Why would you want to do business with someone like that?

And as I commented in my response, I question whether the pictures are even her own or if they're stolen from another seller or another website. Clearly the pictures show details of items you won't receive if you were to buy the item, plus she has fakes, so if she's already known to be dishonest, what makes you believe that the authentic picture means that you'll receive and authentic item?

 

[bry_dee]

Hi BeenBurned, sorry if that might have ticked you off, that's really unintentional. You see, in Ebay.ph, there are really lots of sellers selling ,well, fake ones but they don't really know that some of their items are authentic. As for the purposely misspelling of names, as far as I know, there are selling restrictions on these sellers so they can't use brand names such as Gucci, or Louis Vuitton or Coach, so instead they use GG, or Gucci with that TM mark etc. unless they have a Paypal account. Things are quite different on Ebay.ph, believe it or not.

I've bought several items before (authenticated first on Gucci, LV and Mulberry subforums) from sellers selling a lot of fake bags. They don't really know that among their fakes there's an authentic one. Let's just say I'm a big risk taker. That's the reason I found myself here in the Authenticate this Coach subforum because, honestly, I have zero Coach knowledge. I might have little knowledge on Guccis, LVs and some Mulberrys (or some H ties), but for Coach, I profess I have none. That's why I'm asking for your expertise Coach ladies

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi BeenBurned, sorry if that might have ticked you off, that's really unintentional. You see, in Ebay.ph, there are really lots of sellers selling ,well, fake ones but they don't really know that some of their items are authentic. As for the purposely misspelling of names, as far as I know, there are selling restrictions on these sellers so they can't use brand names such as Gucci, or Louis Vuitton or Coach, so instead they use GG, or Gucci with that TM mark etc. unless they have a Paypal account. Things are quite different on Ebay.ph, believe it or not.

I've bought several items before (authenticated first on Gucci, LV and Mulberry subforums) from sellers selling a lot of fake bags. They don't really know that among their fakes there's an authentic one. Let's just say I'm a big risk taker. That's the reason I found myself here in the Authenticate this Coach subforum because, honestly, I have zero Coach knowledge. I might have a considerable knowledge on Guccis, LVs and some Mulberrys (or some H ties), but for Coach, I profess I have none. That's why I'm asking for your expertise Coach ladies

You didn't tick me off, but when a seller has fakes or violates ebay policy in ways that allow them to list items that would normally be restricted, that seller is not someone I'd do business with nor would I recommend that you do business with her.

Ebay has policies in place to protect its buyers. Unless and until and seller proves herself as being an honest seller of authentic items, she will find herself to hit restrictions. It's dishonest to manipulate the search function in ways that ebay purposely disallows. Using GG, Gcci, Caoch, C0ACH, etc., are not allowed.

As for sellers often not knowing that some of their listings are fake, that's not a valid excuse. As sellers, it's their responsibility to confirm authenticity or an item cannot be listed. Therefore, if they either try to authenticate and are told an item is fake, it cannot be sold at all. Additionally, if they ask authenticity questions and there isn't a definite answer that an item is authentic, i.e., the authenticators cannot determine authenticity, then the item CANNOT be listed.

Understand that my responses here are in your best interest. I'm trying to save you money either by protecting you from a potential fake or from a less-than-honest seller. I have nothing to gain by giving you my opinions on sellers and their items.

 

[bry_dee]

Yep I get it! And I totally agree with you, I do tend to report Gucci and LV items that I think to be not authentic or even message those who already bought to contact the seller and tell her she got a fake and consult this forum if they don't believe me. Again thank you so much for your time and concern. It is highly appreciated more than you can think of