Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[ConnieinSeattle]

I considered it but I worry I wouldn‘t come back from the experience alive! She’s a bit scary!

That's the thing with these "meet up to make transaction" setups...there's some danger inherent. I like having things shipped, and I have purchases shipped to a Fedex pick up location. But that's another story involving porch pirates, and seven of my incoming Coach purses stolen, and a pair of fur Coach boots!

 

[SJAllison]

Interesting that it appears that she doesn't currently have any Coach bags for sale....nor has she sold any Coach bags. Seems odd that a ”credentialed expert” wouldn't be selling what she knows so much about.

ETA: Was trying to also quote

SJAllison​

I agree. In her about the posher post she mentions being a model at some point. Maybe in her mind that makes her some sort of expert. I think I’m probably just her latest victim of her lashing out in an attempt to make her feel superior / special. I just don’t understand people sometimes.

 

[SJAllison]

That's the thing with these "meet up to make transaction" setups...there's some danger inherent. I like having things shipped, and I have purchases shipped to a Fedex pick up location. But that's another story involving porch pirates, and seven of my incoming Coach purses stolen, and a pair of fur Coach boots!

I live near a police station and will meet up there but otherwise I don’t risk it. So sorry you were a victim of porch pirates! It is such a problem these days! I don’t blame you for taking the extra precautions.

 

[SJAllison]

@SJAllison, please feel free to make a link to this reply available to "Susan"​

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-5168#post-35373999


Her reply doesn't even make any sense.

Just one example - SUSAN says "If the bag in the photos you used for your post is the bag you’re actually selling, then I’m sorry but who ever authenticated it as what you took from the Internet from the 60’s -The tag that is on your bag, the leather one is absolutely from the 1997 release or perhaps it could likened to inspired by the 60’s crescent - the tag alone isn’t the only issue, the nickel hardware wasn’t used by Coachever until again that magical number 1997’.

???

One of the first things any authenticator with an ounce of brains learns is that you NEVER use the "tag" by which I'm guessing she means the hangtag, to authenticate a Coach since probably at least a fourth (just a very rough estimate and NOT based on an actual count) of vintage Coaches have had the hangtag replaced, often by something from a different time period. (There isn't even any hangtag in the photos the seller posted here BTW).

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Then "Susan" mentions nickel hardware but the bag in the photos posted by the tPF member clearly shows BRASS hardware. If "Susan" wants to post actual screencaps of the tPF member's listing that Susan claims is a 1997 Coach with nickle hardware, I'll wait.


If "Susan" aka "siouxanwould" has ANY complaint about the facts in MY reply, she can take it up with ME, I'm sure it won't take long for her to find more than enough examples of MY experience in authenticating. She can start with searching here at tPF for my posts. And she can also search here for posts about Coach authenticity from BeenBurned since her expertise is also being called into question, although that will take a bit longer. Let's see, what's 34,000 posts plus another 50,000 posts...? Should only take her about 4 to 6 months to read them all if she's a fast reader. Then she can start on the Salearea Guides thread. Is being tPF-authorized and approved Coach authenticators (the ONLY way anyone is allowed to authenticate here at tPF) "credentialed" enough for you? And could you please post a photo of YOUR "credentials"?

Susan, I suggest you find a nice comfy chair and a LOT of coffee and START READING. Meanwhile, I stand by my previous statements. Like i keep saying over and over and over again, please leave the Coach authenticating to the experts.

Love, Hyacinth

This is the hang tag that I think she’s talking about. It didn’t occur to me to have it authenticated since it’s the bag that is the real star. I‘m usually surprised when I find these older bags with a hang tag.

it’s only one side and I did notice the stamp is not perfectly centered but again, I really didn’t think much about it. Maybe I should have although I’m sure it would not have made a difference in this situation.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi authenticators, please may I have the following bag authenticated please:

Item: not sure
Listing number: 325375771987
Seller and site where listed La-02 on eBay
Link:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32537577...3R-yxnAQWa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Comments:

Thank you

It's almost certainly genuine,but I can't read the entire serial number. If it's authentic it would have been made in the early 1990s.

 

[Hyacinth]

This is the hang tag that I think she’s talking about. It didn’t occur to me to have it authenticated since it’s the bag that is the real star. I‘m usually surprised when I find these older bags with a hang tag.

it’s only one side and I did notice the stamp is not perfectly centered but again, I really didn’t think much about it. Maybe I should have although I’m sure it would not have made a difference in this situation.

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Thank you. And the shape of the hangtag with that squared-off tab for the ball chain is EXACTLY correct for a Coach made in the 1970s and early 1980s. There are plenty of genuine vintage hangtags with stamps that are slightly crooked.

So ANOTHER piece of nonsense that Susan got completely WRONG.

DAMN, WTH is her problem?

ETA - Here's a page from a 1981 Coach catalog, one of many old catalogs that we've posted here at tPF from scans in our photo files.

Vintage Coach Catalogs

Here is a place to find entire vintage catalogs that been uploaded ;)

forum.purseblog.com

Clicking on the photo of the Crescent Bag near the center should enlarge the photo enough to show not only the seam down the front of the bag but also the original shape of the hangtag. Allowing for at least 40 years of wear, the shape and stamping is identical to yours. If you need a larger photo, I can post one of that specific area.

And now I'm going to stop trying to teach anything to someone like her who refuses to learn anything. Like the old saying goes, "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person".

May the Powers have mercy on anyone who asks her to authenticate any Coach product.

 

[ConnieinSeattle]

Comments: Is this bag a real Coach? I can't find one like it on my google images search. It looks like it's got a gusseted front pocket, like a Rambler's Legacy, but the strap attachment and strap itself doesn't match that--it's only got holes, no brass hardware there. Seller calls it a "Penny City" and I can't find either a Penny or a City image that matches. It looks like a City just has a slip front pocket. Thanks!! Authentication and identification appreciated!
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/3851615355...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Item: Vintage Coach Penny/City No 0778 127 Black Leather Shoulder Bag Handbag Purse
Seller: Ebay, winsong

 

[Hyacinth]

Comments: Is this bag a real Coach? I can't find one like it on my google images search. It looks like it's got a gusseted front pocket, like a Rambler's Legacy, but the strap attachment and strap itself doesn't match that--it's only got holes, no brass hardware there. Seller calls it a "Penny City" and I can't find either a Penny or a City image that matches. It looks like a City just has a slip front pocket. Thanks!! Authentication and identification appreciated!
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/385161535557?nma=true&si=Hm3D9VirJ1Olw7j2FUdXg2EGoto%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Item: Vintage Coach Penny/City No 0778 127 Black Leather Shoulder Bag Handbag Purse
Seller: Ebay, winsong

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Don't ever ever EVER depend on a seller's listing to have the correct style name, date of manufacture or correct "era" when it was made.

Something that's 9.5 by 5 inches is NOT a City Bag. And there's no VERIFIED vintage style called a Penny in any catalogs or adverts that I've found.

It looks like a genuine style 9850 Compartment Bag from the early 1990s.

ETA - It might be more effective pinning down the approximate date using the serial number and creed format details that are posted in the Salearea Guides and then using the scanned catalogs in the Reference subforum to find the style.

 

[ConnieinSeattle]

Don't ever ever EVER depend on a seller's listing to have the correct style name, date of manufacture or correct "era" when it was made.

Something that's 9.5 by 5 inches is NOT a City Bag. And there's no VERIFIED vintage style called a Penny in any catalogs or adverts that I've found.

It looks like a genuine style 9850 Compartment Bag from the early 1990s.

Thank you!!

 

[Hyacinth]

Thank you!!

I just added a suggestion to my post above.

 

[ConnieinSeattle]

I just added a suggestion to my post above.

Thank you, again!

 

[SJAllison]

Thank you. And the shape of the hangtag with that squared-off tab for the ball chain is EXACTLY correct for a Coach made in the 1970s and early 1980s. There are plenty of genuine vintage hangtags with stamps that are slightly crooked.

So ANOTHER piece of nonsense that Susan got completely WRONG.

DAMN, WTH is her problem?

ETA - Here's a page from a 1981 Coach catalog, one of many old catalogs that we've posted here at tPF from scans in our photo files.

Vintage Coach Catalogs

Here is a place to find entire vintage catalogs that been uploaded ;)

forum.purseblog.com

Clicking on the photo of the Crescent Bag near the center should enlarge the photo enough to show not only the seam down the front of the bag but also the original shape of the hangtag. Allowing for at least 40 years of wear, the shape and stamping is identical to yours. If you need a larger photo, I can post one of that specific area.

And now I'm going to stop trying to teach anything to someone like her who refuses to learn anything. Like the old saying goes, "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person".

May the Powers have mercy on anyone who asks her to authenticate any Coach product.

Thank you so much! I know you’ve been told this before but, you are an amazing wealth of knowledge. Beyond that, your passion, not just for the brand but also for exposing the fakes and frauds out there is admirable and inspiring.

I read this somewhere and have used it a few times…”I can explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you.“

 

[Hyacinth]

Thank you so much! I know you’ve been told this before but, you are an amazing wealth of knowledge. Beyond that, your passion, not just for the brand but also for exposing the fakes and frauds out there is admirable and inspiring.

I read this somewhere and have used it a few times…”I can explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you.“

Thank you, I don't remember hearing that before.

Another old classic that fits is "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig".

 

[BeenBurned]

”I can explain it to you but I can’t understand it for you.“

I like that!

ETA: Do you mind if I make it my siggy?

 

[SJAllison]

I like that!

ETA: Do you mind if I make it my siggy?

Not at all!