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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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coachowe said:
Hello! Can someone help me authenticate this little bag? Year? Do we have a catalogue picture?
Thank you
Seller: glampam60
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Hyacinth said:
Sorry, my computer can't open the photos so I can't see a creed or serial number to authenticate or identify it. You'll probably have to wait for @whateve.

One thing I CAN say is that if it has a serial or registration number, it's NOT a Cashin-era bag. It probably wouldn't have been made until at least 5 years after Cashin and Coach stopped working together. There's no catalog picture in my files of any bag from the post-Cashin decade with the tubular strap attached on the back like that other than a few very small bags like the Everett Bag from the early 1990s and I just don't have the needed photos of those bags' details OR the measurements of the bag in question to make any kind of judgement and there aren't any measurements in the listing. The shapes aren't quite right either. If it's genuine I don't think it's nearly as old as the seller seems to think it is. "Coaches" bought at estate sales really need to be authenticated.

I'll look through some of my vintage photo folders to see if anything turns up.


ETA - I may have found a possible candidate, give me a few minutes to save a photo...
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glampam60 is a mixer. She has this fake:​

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scrutonmarine said:
Good morning,
Could you please help me in authenticating this bag?
Item: Coach vintage Willis 9927 black crossbody shoulder bag purse, top handle, EUC
Listing #: ebay item # 225172652754
Seller: kamcm_32
Link: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/22517265275...uid=9HNNQIS5TCq&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Comments:

Thank you so much for your expertise!

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Genuine and made in 2000
 
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Hyacinth said:
Sorry, my computer can't open the photos so I can't see a creed or serial number to authenticate or identify it. You'll probably have to wait for @whateve.

One thing I CAN say is that if it has a serial or registration number, it's NOT a Cashin-era bag. It probably wouldn't have been made until at least 5 years after Cashin and Coach stopped working together (1974). There's no catalog picture in my files of any bag from the post-Cashin decade with the tubular strap attached on the back like that other than a few very small bags like the Everett Bag from the early 1990s and I just don't have the needed photos of those bags' details OR the measurements of the bag in question to make any kind of judgement and there aren't any measurements in the listing. The shapes aren't quite right either. If it's genuine I don't think it's nearly as old as the seller seems to think it is. "Coaches" bought at estate sales really need to be authenticated.

I'll look through some of my vintage photo folders to see if anything turns up.


ETA - I may have found a possible candidate, give me a few minutes to save a photo...

OK, this one is the right shape and has the right strap that SEEMS to be attached on the back but there's no way to be sure, and no way to be sure the measurements are the same.
NEW in the Spring 1986 catalog, style 9740 Mini Pouch:

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It appears again, still "NEW", in the 1986 Summer catalog, and by the Holiday 1986 catalog it's already gone and had been discontinued. No wonder I couldn't remember it. The catalog doesn't show how the strap attaches in the back either. Again, there's no way to prove it's the same bag but it's the only one I've found that fits. It's almost certainly genuine, but 12 years too recent to have been a Cashin-Era style or a Cashin design.


A HUGE "THANK YOU" to @Coachaddict4020 for the Spring 1986 catalog scan! :flowers:
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Thank you!!
 
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BeenBurned said:
I agree with @Hyacinth that the bag is authentic but it's definitely "not as described" since onthefox22 didn't make any mention of the male part of the turnlock coming out of the leather.

I don't do more than basic rehab and cleaning so I don't know how much work is involved in fixing the hardware. (Wait for @whateve to comment on that.)

If it's too much work to fix, you can open a return request for "not as described or pictured" and the seller will have 3 options. Seller can:
1. Issue a full refund without requiring the return
2. Accept the return request and pay for a return shipping label for you to send it back
3. Offer a partial refund (which IMO may be worth it if it's an easy fix)

In fact, in this case, I don't think a partial refund request is unreasonable (before opening a return request) since there's definitely non-disclosure of "issues." If this is the route you choose prior to opening a claim, choose the "contact seller" option in the order.
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I thought about this bag overnight and realized that the "fishy" part is that this cannot be a repair, as there's no evidence inside of it ever being any different, which means it is something is off and that makes it something I would not ever want to keep, gift or resell. Thank you ALL for your help with this. I contacted the eBay seller to initiate a return and they accepted. I have purchased 10 vintage coach bags in about a month and this was the only one that was off or even questionable in any way. I am so very glad I found this forum. Your help is invaluable. Julie
 
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