Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[JuneCleaverSemperFi]

Would you please authenticate this bag I purchased at the consignment shop? It's about 11x10x4 thank you

 

[whateve]

Would you please authenticate this bag I purchased at the consignment shop? It's about 11x10x4 thank you

authentic Equestrian drawstring.

 

[Vimsmum]

Hi Authenticators,

I'm hoping you can authenticate this bag for me. I have already purchased it from eBay over a month ago, so I hope the link for the listing will still work. If not, I will post the pictures etc. I think it is a "Shoulder Sac #9730" which I found in the vintage Coach Catalogs resource on TPF
Thanks for all you do.

Item: Coach Shoulder Sac
Listing number: 304044068383
Seller and site where listed. tferrand eBay
Link: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/304044068383
Comments: If you can't access the listing I will upload photos

 

[whateve]

Hi Authenticators,

I'm hoping you can authenticate this bag for me. I have already purchased it from eBay over a month ago, so I hope the link for the listing will still work. If not, I will post the pictures etc. I think it is a "Shoulder Sac #9730" which I found in the vintage Coach Catalogs resource on TPF
Thanks for all you do.

Item: Coach Shoulder Sac
Listing number: 304044068383
Seller and site where listed. tferrand eBay
Link: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/304044068383
Comments: If you can't access the listing I will upload photos

It looks good.

 

[darc415]

Aw, geez! And bestoneswi is another seller who helps cement my opinion of Poshmark and their sellers!

bestoneswi has multiple other fakes mixed in her listings, possibly fooling buyers into believing she sells authentic items.

More fakes from bestoneswi.

Vintage Coach Leather Top Handle Crossbody Bag

Shop bestoneswi's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Vintage Coach Black Leather Top Handle Crossbody Shoulder Bag Brass Hardware Good preowned condition with normal sight of wear on leather. Please view all pictures before purchasing...

poshmark.com

https://poshmark.com/listing/Vintage-Coach-Black-Willis-Leather-Shoulder-Crossbody-Handbag-9927-617d424a9bd5ef129a4b96d3

COACH 9950 Janice Legacy Shoulder Bag BLACK Leather Vintage

Shop bestoneswi's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. COACH 9950 Janice Legacy Shoulder Bag BLACK Leather Vintage Typical condition vintage Coach bags includes flaws such as scratches to hardware, wear to corners, blemishes/scratches on...

poshmark.com

Vintage Coach Leather Green Crossbody Bag Small

Shop bestoneswi's closet or find the perfect look from millions of stylists. Fast shipping and buyer protection. Vintage Coach Leather Green Crossbody Bag Small Good preowned condition, normal signt of use for a vintage bag. 8" H x 7" W x 2.5" D Strap drop - 21.5" Comes from a smoke free home.

poshmark.com

For those who love Poshmark and take issue with my opinions of the site and members, contact PM admin and tell them they need to fix their reputation!

Thank you for your valuable insight BeenBurned!

 

[pet1516]

Dear authenticators

this one really throw me off. Never seen this before!
Did coach make embroidery bags? Would you by any chance m is the name?
Thank you.

 

[Vimsmum]

It looks good.

Thank you again whateve

 

[BeenBurned]

Dear authenticators

this one really throw me off. Never seen this before!
Did coach make embroidery bags? Would you by any chance m is the name?
Thank you.

The bag is authentic and in my records as "Greenwich tote or shopper" but the style name isn't certain.

It's hard to tell from your pictures whether the bag was recovered with a different fabric or if the original bag was embellished with embroidery.

This is what the original bag looked like.


This is a similar Greenwich 6136 and shows the texture of the fabric.



ETA: Please see Hyacinth's post below mine. She disagrees with my assessment of authenticity.

 

[Hyacinth]

Dear authenticators

this one really throw me off. Never seen this before!
Did coach make embroidery bags? Would you by any chance m is the name?
Thank you.

It looks to me like what we call a Frankenbag, meaning parts of 2 or more different bags patched together. ETA - Or maybe it just has some kind of fabric covering the original bag.

I'm seeing 6134 as the serial number, which is in my files as an
"unk_Greenwich Twill Tote, 10x9.5x4, leather straps, ticking lining, 1999"which matches the description and production year on the creed patch BUT doesn't match the OUTSIDE of that obviously India-made or -modified bag in the listing.

These are the pics I have of several 6134's we've authenticated here, click on the thumbnails to enlarge:






Someone has apparently covered up a Greenwich Tote of unknown condition with this tourist-level piece of multi-patch fabric, it doesn't look like it's fully embroidered, at least not the parts I can see. It's no longer a Coach IMO.

BUT - I'm neither a seamstress nor a broideress and I could be wrong. But I'm seeing what look like wrinkles in that thin layer of fabric, look at the blue area close to the hangtag.


The fake or Frankenbag, for comparison:



And to add insult to injury, the hangtag is fake too. The creed and lining are genuine. There's no way to know for sure if the original fabric is still underneath or what condition it's in.

 

[BeenBurned]

The bag is authentic and in my records as "Greenwich tote or shopper" but the style name isn't certain.

It's hard to tell from your pictures whether the bag was recovered with a different fabric or if the original bag was embellished with embroidery.

This is what the original bag looked like.
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This is a similar Greenwich 6136 and shows the texture of the fabric.

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It looks to me like what we call a Frankenbag, meaning parts of 2 or more different bags patched together.

I'm seeing 6134 as the serial number, which is in my files as an
"unk_Greenwich Twill Tote, 10x9.5x4, leather straps, ticking lining, 1999"which matches the description and production year on the creed patch BUT doesn't match the OUTSIDE of that obviously India-made or -modified bag in the listing.

These are the pics I have of several 6134's we've authenticated here, click on the thumbnails to enlarge:

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Someone has apparently covered up a Greenwich Tote of unknown condition with this tourist-level piece of fabric. It's no longer a Coach.


The fake, for comparison:
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And to add insult to injury, the hangtag is fake too. The creed and lining are genuine.

Is it a Frankenbag or an altered and "embellished" one?

 

[pet1516]

Thank you all so much for searching up those info. Wow! It’s crazy the amount of knowledge you all have.
And, I don’t like frankenbsg

 

[pet1516]

frankenbag

 

[Hyacinth]

Is it a Frankenbag or an altered and "embellished" one?

I'm pretty sure it's altered. "Embellished" to me means something was added to improve or enrich it's appearance, and I don't think that's an improvement unless the original fabric was really a disaster area. The more I look the surer I am that it's some kind of overlay, NOT embroidery. There's an area on the base where it looks like they couldn't quite get that last bit of fabric tucked under the piping in what would be the lower left corner. And the leather band around the top of the bag is covered by fabric on the outside. It's hard to figure out just what they did because the original kind of looks like the top edge has 2 layers, if that makes sense. It's become less like a Coach and more like a piece of tourist kitsch.

 

[BeenBurned]

I'm pretty sure it's altered. "Embellished" to me means something was added to improve or enrich it's appearance, and I don't think that's an improvement unless the original fabric was really a disaster area. The more I look the surer I am that it's some kind of overlay, NOT embroidery. There's an area on the base where it looks like they couldn't quite get that last bit of fabric tucked under the piping in what would be the lower left corner. And the leather band around the top of the bag is covered by fabric on the outside. It's hard to figure out just what they did because the original kind of looks like the top edge has 2 layers, if that makes sense. It's become less like a Coach and more like a piece of tourist kitsch.

LOL! I certainly didn't think the "embellishment" was an improvement. That's why I put it in quotes!

The reason I asked the question was because you referred to the bag as "fake" and I didn't believe the bag (itself) to be fake.

I can't imagine why someone would do that unless the original fabric exterior was badly damaged.

@pet1516 - Can you peel back the fabric to see if the original bag was damaged?

 

[Hyacinth]

LOL! I certainly didn't think the "embellishment" was an improvement. That's why I put it in quotes!

The reason I asked the question was because you referred to the bag as "fake" and I didn't believe the bag (itself) to be fake.

I can't imagine why someone would do that unless the original fabric exterior was badly damaged.

@pet1516 - Can you peel back the fabric to see if the original bag was damaged?

I'll modify my classification as "fake" but it definitely isn't "original" any more either. "Extensively modified Coach" maybe.