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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
    Comments:

  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#6,948
Christina S said:
No I did not accuse that the seller was selling fake products. I wrote an email to Amazon informing them of what I suspected and they offered to refund. The creed is hardly readable and the zippers did not have YKK stamped or engraved. If you think i falsely accussed the seller then you are wrong to accuse me of ruining the sellers reputation and business. Thanks for the kind words!
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Do you think Amazon gave you a refund and didn't take the money away from the seller? Do you think there aren't any consequences to the seller on Amazon? Don't you think that Amazon might forbid that seller from selling in the future because of your actions?

If you knew anything about Coach, you would know that the brand of zipper means nothing. Contrary to some bad information you might find on the internet, Coach hasn't always used YKK zippers. They have used many brands throughout the years and we never use the zipper brand to authenticate.

The creed looks like all the creeds Coach has made recently. If you have a chance, go to a store and look at the creeds in the Coach bags, or just look at these listings for the same bag on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...0.Xcoach+33329.TRS0&_nkw=coach+33329&_sacat=0
 
#6,949
Hello Ladies,

Please authenticate the following three (3) items:

Item: AUTHENTIC COACH SLING BUCKET DRAWSTRING BAG BRITISH TAN **RARE**
Listing #:171818759677
Seller: ursulas410closet
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTHENTIC-COACH-SLING-BUCKET-DRAWSTRING-BAG-BRITISH-TAN-RARE-/171818759677?

Item: Vintage COACH Large Black Drawstring Sling Duffle Bag 9929.USA
Listing #: 171810568545
Seller: pollizettirocks
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171810568545?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Comments: Bag appears too shiny

Item: COACH The Sling Vintage Brown Leather Drawstring Bucket Handbag Style 9929
Listing #: 121664100619
Seller: tonyscollectables12
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-The-S...619?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c53bed90b

As always, thanks in advance,

Lady Edwards :ty:
 
#6,951
whateve said:
I don't have any B factory codes in my files for that late date. I'm surprised that anything would still have been made in the US then but I don't see any problems with the bag.
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whateve said:
It has always been my feeling that unless you buy one brand new from the store you can't know 100% a bag is authentic. There could always be a super counterfeiter who gets every detail correct.

In my opinion, if every detail is correct and there is just a question of whether the factory was operational at the time, I lean toward calling it authentic.

I have another idea. Possibly these bags were made in the US in small quantities for training purposes in Coach headquarters, possibly even by those people who do the repairs. They didn't want to use the "A" factory code because that designated the original factory in NYC. If the B plant was really operational at that time, we would most likely see a lot more bags with similar creeds.
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Hyacinth said:
I agree. Remember, the ONLY sources for all the dates we use for the various plants are the bags themselves and what little we actually know of Coach's history. All the information we put together from those bags and backgrounds are just educated guesses.

At that time with production of the all-leather classic bags in the process of being switched over to China and just a handful still trickling out of Turkey and Costa Rica, anything could happen with plant locations and stamps, and probably did. Coach would have made and stamped bags for whatever location was the most convenient, and with whatever stamps or stamping mechanisms that were still available.
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Whew...I wondered about the late-year plant code too, but was so excited to find a Willis with nickel hardware in such great shape for only $2.25! Thanks everyone for the info!
 
#6,953
LadyEdwards said:
Hello Ladies,

Please authenticate the following three (3) items:

Item: AUTHENTIC COACH SLING BUCKET DRAWSTRING BAG BRITISH TAN **RARE**
Listing #:171818759677
Seller: ursulas410closet
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTHENTIC-COACH-SLING-BUCKET-DRAWSTRING-BAG-BRITISH-TAN-RARE-/171818759677?

Item: Vintage COACH Large Black Drawstring Sling Duffle Bag 9929.USA
Listing #: 171810568545
Seller: pollizettirocks
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171810568545?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Comments: Bag appears too shiny

Item: COACH The Sling Vintage Brown Leather Drawstring Bucket Handbag Style 9929
Listing #: 121664100619
Seller: tonyscollectables12
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-The-S...619?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c53bed90b

As always, thanks in advance,

Lady Edwards :ty:
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All three are genuine.

The shininess of the second one could be a problem, you never know what kind of product has been used to "condition" it. This one isn't as bad as many I've seen so it's probably not shoe polish.

Older Coach leathers are supposed to have a PATINA, not a shine. Some sellers don't know the difference and think that the shinier, the better. And that just isn't true.
 
#6,956
Christina S said:
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whateve said:
It was wrong to accuse the seller of selling a fake unless you were sure. I don't think you should have both the money and the bag. You have ruined that seller's reputation, and possibly her business, on a suspicion. You should have asked for an authentication before accusing anyone.

The existence of a dustbag does not make a bag authentic. This style was made for factory stores. Most items made for factory stores and most smaller purses don't come with dustbags.

I don't see anything wrong with the bag. More opinions are welcome.
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I don't see anything wrong with it either. Accusing someone of a criminal act with NO proof except for something you read on the internet without any verification from an expert in that brand is just plain WRONG, especially when as Whateve pointed out, you have the money AND the purse and the seller has probably been charged back for the price of the bag and you haven't even returned it!

DON'T accuse people without proof unless you REALLY know what you're talking about. Make things right with the seller - either send them their money or send back the bag in exactly the same condition you received it. And you owe that seller an apology.

And STOP believing the BS you read on anonymous internet sites! Just because a bunch of bozos copied each others so-called "rules" about YKK zippers or anything else doesn't mean it's true. And a "missing" dustbag that it probably never had means it's fake??? Come ON.

I suggest you buy your purses in the manufacturers' own stores from now on.
 
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#6,957
emerald14 said:
Thank you BeenBurned and whateve. I didn't know if all coach bags had to have the creed (I think this is what is called, the leather label sewn inside of the bag?)
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Absolutely NOT. There are a TON of Coach bags that don't have creeds, from very early styles to anything that's considered an "accessory" meaning a smaller bag like a Swingpack, Crossbody, Mini-anything, Pouch, Demi, and a bunch more. Not having a creed, or having a creed with no serial number, does NOT mean a bag is fake. And to confuse things even further, within the last year Coach has stopped putting serial numbers on the creed patches of new bags.

The six Salearea Coach Guides posted at Ebay have a lot more information on creeds and serial numbers.

http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea_W0QQcpnameZmembersQQprZsaleareaQQuqtZg
 
#6,960
Christina S said:
I bought this Coach Mini Bennett Satchel Midnight 33329 from a seller in Amazon. When I received it I suspected it was fake and did not even come with a dust bag. I contacted the seller who said their items are 100% authentic and Amazon will not allow them to sell fake products. Amazon has refunded the cost but i want to make sure about the authenticity.
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whateve said:
It was wrong to accuse the seller of selling a fake unless you were sure. I don't think you should have both the money and the bag. You have ruined that seller's reputation, and possibly her business, on a suspicion. You should have asked for an authentication before accusing anyone.

The existence of a dustbag does not make a bag authentic. This style was made for factory stores. Most items made for factory stores and most smaller purses don't come with dustbags.

I don't see anything wrong with the bag. More opinions are welcome.
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Christina S said:
No I did not accuse that the seller was selling fake products. I wrote an email to Amazon informing them of what I suspected and they offered to refund. The creed is hardly readable and the zippers did not have YKK stamped or engraved. If you think i falsely accussed the seller then you are wrong to accuse me of ruining the sellers reputation and business. Thanks for the kind words!
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whateve said:
Do you think Amazon gave you a refund and didn't take the money away from the seller? Do you think there aren't any consequences to the seller on Amazon? Don't you think that Amazon might forbid that seller from selling in the future because of your actions?

If you knew anything about Coach, you would know that the brand of zipper means nothing. Contrary to some bad information you might find on the internet, Coach hasn't always used YKK zippers. They have used many brands throughout the years and we never use the zipper brand to authenticate.

The creed looks like all the creeds Coach has made recently. If you have a chance, go to a store and look at the creeds in the Coach bags, or just look at these listings for the same bag on ebay. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...0.Xcoach+33329.TRS0&_nkw=coach+33329&_sacat=0
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With all due respect, Christina, we're upset because you did things in the wrong order.

Buyers are responsible for being educated and although the tendency is for honest people to be trusting, there's also an obligation to get the facts of what you're alleging if you think you and/or your seller made a mistake.

Though not directly accusing the seller, in going to Amazon to "inform them of what you suspected," you DID accuse the seller.

I hope the seller didn't lose her privileges on Amazon! That might be her bread and butter and although I have no qualms about reporting and taking down dishonest sellers, I am also passionate about protecting honest sellers.

As an honest seller, I know the sick feeling in my stomach when a buyer accuses me of selling a fake. I also know the damage it does to an account and the hoops a seller has to jump through in order to prove authenticity and restore one's reputation.

Understand that I'll never defend a scamming seller but in this case, that's not who you dealt with.
 
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