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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

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  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#6,064
usMichigann said:
What the heck does Original mean anyway? I found a problem with 2 bags, 2 different sellers:

Original Vintage Coach Sutton Black Leather Cross Body Shoulder Bag 9814

301633091940

cindyrellacleans

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Vi...940?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463abbb964

This bag calls it Sutton 9814, creed shows 9314. it's clearly not a Sutton & it's not a 9314 tote either.

Original Coach Sutton Black Leather Cross Body Shoulder Bag 9814


391141987150

zmaxl

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Co...150?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b11e1134e

Also not a Sutton, seller doesn't show creed (SURPRISE!)

BOTH of these listings end very soon, no time to ask for pictures BOTH are clearly not as stated.

AND both are sold to new "victims".
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whateve said:
Well, neither are Suttons, but you might be surprised to learn that there are at least two Sutton styles that look nothing alike. I think the second listing copied the other. It doesn't have a creed picture so it can't be authenticated. On the first, the seller just misread the number and then assumed it was a Sutton zip because she thought the last 4 digits were the style number. The number in this bag is a unique number that doesn't include the style number. It is an authentic convertible clutch made around 1989 - 1990.
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Please don't refer to "victims" unless and until items are deemed as fake. It might lead lurkers to report listings for bags that ARE NOT fake!!


Whateve authenticated but I'll try to respond to your question about the use of "original."

As with much of the English language, "original" has multiple meanings. And when it come to ebay, sellers use words that they think will help their items, sell whether those key words are warranted or not. (Examples of such key words include "Bonnie Cashin" and "vintage." Just because a bag wasn't made yesterday doesn't mean it's BC or vintage.)

As for original, some sellers use it as a synonym for "authentic" while other sellers use it to indicate that it's one of the first ones made (whether it's accurate or not).

In these cases, I think the sellers were attesting to authenticity.
 
#6,065
Pinky T said:
I have no link but someone is asking me if this is authentic. They recently bought it locally and I am not a professional. I only got these 3 pictures. We are currently in a debate and although IMO the seams don't line up correctly, the stitching looks off to me and the lining seems off center she brought up some valid points. Please help!
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whateve said:
It's fake. On an authentic one, the C pattern would be lined up at the seam. I think the fabric texture looks too fuzzy.
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Although this particular bag is an obvious fake, style 10125 (and also, 10124) are two very highly and often well-faked styles and should be avoided unless you have them authenticated.

In fact, I don't recommend buying this style unless the seller is a known and proven seller of only authentic items.
 
#6,066
Pinky T said:
I have no link but someone is asking me if this is authentic. They recently bought it locally and I am not a professional. I only got these 3 pictures. We are currently in a debate and although IMO the seams don't line up correctly, the stitching looks off to me and the lining seems off center she brought up some valid points. Please help!
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There's NOTHING right about that including the trim color and the monogram.
 
#6,067
usMichigann said:
What the heck does Original mean anyway? I found a problem with 2 bags, 2 different sellers:

Original Vintage Coach Sutton Black Leather Cross Body Shoulder Bag 9814

301633091940

cindyrellacleans

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Vi...940?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463abbb964

This bag calls it Sutton 9814, creed shows 9314. it's clearly not a Sutton & it's not a 9314 tote either.

Original Coach Sutton Black Leather Cross Body Shoulder Bag 9814


391141987150

zmaxl

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Co...150?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b11e1134e

Also not a Sutton, seller doesn't show creed (SURPRISE!)

BOTH of these listings end very soon, no time to ask for pictures BOTH are clearly not as stated.

AND both are sold to new "victims".
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We've said this before and very recently too. DON'T EVER DEPEND ON SELLERS TO KNOW THE CORRECT NAME, STYLE NUMBER, AGE, DESIGNER, OR ANY OTHER DETAILS ABOUT THE ITEMS THEY'RE SELLING.

And just because a seller doesn't know and posts the wrong information DOESN'T mean it's fake.
 
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A little help, please? I don't think I've ever seen a serial number with the 3rd digit being a number instead of a letter. Fake? Authentic? Thanks in advance, as always.
 

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#6,070
iris520 said:
A little help, please? I don't think I've ever seen a serial number with the 3rd digit being a number instead of a letter. Fake? Authentic? Thanks in advance, as always.
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It's authentic. After Coach ran out of letters for factory codes, they started using numbers. Today, all factory codes are two digit numbers.

ETA: It's a basic bag.
 
#6,071
whateve said:
Well, neither are Suttons, but you might be surprised to learn that there are at least two Sutton styles that look nothing alike. I think the second listing copied the other. It doesn't have a creed picture so it can't be authenticated. On the first, the seller just misread the number and then assumed it was a Sutton zip because she thought the last 4 digits were the style number. The number in this bag is a unique number that doesn't include the style number. It is an authentic convertible clutch made around 1989 - 1990.
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Well that explains why the first bag isn't a Sutton or a tote. And no, I didn't know there was more than one Sutton style. I thought that the second seller copied the first as well. I'm thinking that sellers must think they are saying vintage or older or even a genuine Coach when they use "Original" in the title to describe. I don't see where it means anything. Thanks so much for all the info you provide. :smooch:
 
#6,072
BeenBurned said:
Please don't refer to "victims" unless and until items are deemed as fake. It might lead lurkers to report listings for bags that ARE NOT fake!!


Whateve authenticated but I'll try to respond to your question about the use of "original."

As with much of the English language, "original" has multiple meanings. And when it come to ebay, sellers use words that they think will help their items, sell whether those key words are warranted or not. (Examples of such key words include "Bonnie Cashin" and "vintage." Just because a bag wasn't made yesterday doesn't mean it's BC or vintage.)

As for original, some sellers use it as a synonym for "authentic" while other sellers use it to indicate that it's one of the first ones made (whether it's accurate or not).

In these cases, I think the sellers were attesting to authenticity.
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OK, sorry. I only meant that the buyers were not getting the style that was advertised. And as far as using Original, I'd guessed they must mean real or one of the first. Thanks again.
 
#6,074
usMichigann said:
OK, sorry. I only meant that the buyers were not getting the style that was advertised. And as far as using Original, I'd guessed they must mean real or one of the first. Thanks again.
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If someone doesn't know what they're buying, they've got a bit of responsibility themselves. A seller who uses the wrong style name is so common and minor but it really doesn't matter. As long as an item is authentic, the buyer can try to identify it if necessary.
 
#6,075
BeenBurned said:
If someone doesn't know what they're buying, they've got a bit of responsibility themselves. A seller who uses the wrong style name is so common and minor but it really doesn't matter. As long as an item is authentic, the buyer can try to identify it if necessary.
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Very true. Exactly why I questioned these bags. Because they were not the styles advertised, one needs to dig deeper to see what they are & if they are indeed genuine by asking someone who'd know. Appreciate your knowledge,
 
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