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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
    Comments:

  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#5,581
rdsofsra said:
Hi! Firstly, thank you to everyone for all the knowledge I'm getting on this forum with a huge thank you to our authenticators for their time!

I'm falling in love with the Coach line once again (my first bag was a Willis from the 90s) and when the market became saturated with everything "Coach" (and "fakes" at that), I looked to other brands.

So here I am window shopping and hoping to get an authentication on the following:

Item: Coach Ladies Grey Leather Footed Satchel
Item #: (21437643)
Link: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=21437643
Seller: GW

Item: Coach Purse
Item#: (21370616)
Link: http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=21370616
Seller: GW
I asked for a pic of the creed though they listed serial number: M1073-14522

TIA!
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Sorry, we can't authenticate the second one without a creed photo. The first one seems ok, but you may want to wait for other opinions.
 
#5,582
whateve said:
Even if it were a sample, doesn't it seem odd to have an A in the year code?
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The handful of skilled leather workers responsible for making samples are probably pretty clueless about how serial numbers are coded, and may just use whatever stamps are available regardless of how they're set up. But that's just one possibility.
 
#5,583
Hyacinth said:
Sorry, we can't authenticate the second one without a creed photo. The first one seems ok, but you may want to wait for other opinions.
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Thank you, Hyacinth! I just have to say I am learning sooo much from reading your Coach Authenticity Guidelines (and bookmarked it as reference). You indeed are the authority. :urock:

Btw, I was so proud for understanding this serial code: C8P - 4156. It's a Soho Belted Pouch manufactured March 1998 in Costa Rica. The creed states made in Costa Rica so the factory code is correct and at least in line with the year. I'm learning...if only there was a table of some sort that shows production year, style numbers and factory made -- that'll be half the battle.

I am so thankful for you and the other authenticators on this site!
 
#5,584
rdsofsra said:
Thank you, Hyacinth! I just have to say I am learning sooo much from reading your Coach Authenticity Guidelines (and bookmarked it as reference). You indeed are the authority. :urock:

Btw, I was so proud for understanding this serial code: C8P - 4156. It's a Soho Belted Pouch manufactured March 1998 in Costa Rica. The creed states made in Costa Rica so the factory code is correct and at least in line with the year. I'm learning...if only there was a table of some sort that shows production year, style numbers and factory made -- that'll be half the battle.

I am so thankful for you and the other authenticators on this site!
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You have to make your own table and keep it to yourself. We don't want to make it easier for counterfeiters!
 
#5,585
BAGS0422 said:
I purchased a coach stewardess on eBay item 261878764661
Looks good except the interior bottom is usually suede
It hasn't been shipped si I may be able to cancel it
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whateve said:
Here is the link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-USA-S...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
If it were me, I would cancel it. I've don't have any examples of the X plant being used for the US in 1998. The examples I have from 1999 have a different font. I believe I see grooves in the turnlock.
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BAGS0422 said:
I have heard of the grooves in the turn lock before Are you saying as a Rule the thing that turns should not have grooves ? I appreciate your help it is amazing how close fake bags are to the real except for a couple things
Also the x seemed odd to me too
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I just noticed another thing. The strap attachment is broken. If you look at the position of the buckles, one of them is way too high because the part that should be holding it in place it in a upright position. The seller didn't disclose this but it must be obvious that any weight in the bag is going to make it give way. Depending on where you live, it can fixed cheaply by a leather repair. If I was the buyer, I doubt I would want to deal with a seller like this.
 
#5,586
rdsofsra said:
Thank you, Hyacinth! I just have to say I am learning sooo much from reading your Coach Authenticity Guidelines (and bookmarked it as reference). You indeed are the authority. :urock:

Btw, I was so proud for understanding this serial code: C8P - 4156. It's a Soho Belted Pouch manufactured March 1998 in Costa Rica. The creed states made in Costa Rica so the factory code is correct and at least in line with the year. I'm learning...if only there was a table of some sort that shows production year, style numbers and factory made -- that'll be half the battle.

I am so thankful for you and the other authenticators on this site!
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Thanks!

As Whateve pointed out, we're not going to make the counterfeiters' job any easier by posting those kinds of details. There are also details we often see in fakes that we don't even discuss publicly here just to keep the counterfeiters off balance.

And a lot of those codes change, some like the M code are "floaters" and have even been used by plants in 2 different countries in the same month. That's why we save photos of creeds and bags, both genuine AND fake, so we have a basis for comparison. And it's not just the codes that can indicate if a serial number is real or fake, it's the stamping itself. Many fonts used in fake bags are red flags just on their own.

There aren't any shortcuts for authenticating. I have over 4,000 photos saved just showing details of creeds and serial numbers and more are added every day. That's not counting details of the bags themselves. It's an ongoing process and is constantly changing.
 
#5,587
maramd said:
Please authenticate. They did not show the ends of the drawstring or the keeper so I figure if it is real, but has drawstring end issues, I can return it. Or keep and use for a shoe tote!


Coach Black Leather Hobo Purse -3804*(21304770).
Item 21304770
Seller goodwill

http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=21304770
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I am not familiar with that bag as I don't do older ones but is the pocket the right shape? It looks off.
 
#5,593
Hyacinth said:
Thanks!

As Whateve pointed out, we're not going to make the counterfeiters' job any easier by posting those kinds of details. There are also details we often see in fakes that we don't even discuss publicly here just to keep the counterfeiters off balance.

And a lot of those codes change, some like the M code are "floaters" and have even been used by plants in 2 different countries in the same month. That's why we save photos of creeds and bags, both genuine AND fake, so we have a basis for comparison. And it's not just the codes that can indicate if a serial number is real or fake, it's the stamping itself. Many fonts used in fake bags are red flags just on their own.

There aren't any shortcuts for authenticating. I have over 4,000 photos saved just showing details of creeds and serial numbers and more are added every day. That's not counting details of the bags themselves. It's an ongoing process and is constantly changing.
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Counterfeiters should never benefit from a buyer's due diligence. Thanks Whateve and Hyacinth for this eye opening insight!
 
#5,595
BexDC said:
Good Morning! Can someone take a look at this one please?

Seller = mamagargoyle (favorite seller name so far)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-vtg-B...985?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item487e2f0cc1

Thanks in advance!
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It's genuine. And while it's possible that Bonnie Cashin may have designed the original version (the Saddle Pouch Large goes back to at least 1976, and Cashin left in 1974), this particular one was made after Cashin had cut ties with Coach. It's a safe bet that any bag with a serial number was not made while Cashin was designing for them. I'd guess this particular bag was probably made some time around the early 1980s but it's hard to pin down anything made before 1994. This one could be the Medium rather than the Large.
 
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