Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[whateve]

Yes, Coach does make items in India. (I'm not sure I realized they had an Indian plant in 2000.)

Please wait for other opinions but my opinion is that the backpack is authentic, especially after seeing another of the same style with the same creed, made just a month later than the bag in question.

I don't think that plant made a lot of bags, thus my unfamiliarity with the creed.

It turns out I had an identical creed in my files, as well as some city bags. But is it plant 69 in 2000, or plant 9 in 2006?

 

[Hyacinth]

Wow!

Is it possible to get a picture of the underside of the flap showing the back of the female part of the turnlock?

I'm also curious about the buckles. Is there any stamping on them?

ETA: LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!
@whateve @Hyacinth - That creed threw me!

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The only #9 India plant codes I've ever found in handbags so far have been either in 9960 Daypacks or in 9790 City Bags, and only in bags from 2006 with C thru F month codes. That was the year Coach changed from 1 to 2-digit plant codes right around June so the "9" plant code disappears right after that, although the 9 might have been replaced by "17". India disappears as a handbag source in mid-2006 and doesn't reappear until early 2008 as Plant 17, at least in handbags, unless I've missed some.

ETA - there was also a much later India plant with a "63" plant code.

 

[Hyacinth]

It turns out I had an identical creed in my files, as well as some city bags. But is it plant 69 in 2000, or plant 9 in 2006?

Plant 9 in 2006. Year 2000 is much too early for a 2-digit plant code.


Here are a few timeline dates for style numbers and plant codes:

FIRST 5-NUMBER STYLE NUMBERS USED IN SUMMER 2006 catalog, earliest creed patch found in an actual bag so far shows a style 10001 with a B06Q- prefix, and a 10015 with a B06W- prefix.

Two-number plant codes may have been added and changed in 2006, some time after mid-year. I've seen a 1417 probably genuine with an Outlet mark with G066-1417, and all or most F06 prefixes had single-digit plant codes. So changes started around May-June 2006


First F for Factory codes appear in Spring 2006
Found several JULY 2006 G06S- prefixes w F10515 and F10516 serials, see creeds
Found a June - F06Q-F10411, and a May E06J-F10279, and a March C06S-F10187.

ETA - before mid-2006, the outlet Bulls-eye stamp would have been used both in bags or other items transferred from the full-price stores AND for items made specifically for the outlets (MFF).

First Outlet stamps - maybe early 1990s - see Genuine...-creeds-pre-94 City Bag white & 1989-92_9375_Dinky. There have also been Bean Bags with Outlet stamps, so maybe 1990-91?

Of course, those dates are subject to change.

 

[apursenewbie]

Item: red Coach shoulder bag
Listing number: not sure where to find this on Poshmark
Seller and site where listed: desertandsage, Poshmark
Link: https://poshmark.com/listing/Vintage-Coach-Crossbody-with-Removable-Strap-5fa852eca4de41eadc810adc
Comments: Asking for help identifying this bag as I can't find the style number online. I think it's supposed to be a Penny or a Pocket Purse (which look the same to me. Is it the same bag by two different names?)

 

[apursenewbie]

Item: red Coach shoulder bag
Listing number: not sure where to find this
Seller and site where listed: desertandsage, Poshmark
Link: https://poshmark.com/listing/Vintage-Coach-Crossbody-with-Removable-Strap-5fa852eca4de41eadc810adc
Comments: Asking for help identifying this bag as I can't find the style number online. I think it's supposed to be a Penny or a Pocket Purse (which look the same to me. Is it the same bag by two different names?)

Serial appears to be 626-2843.

 

[lazysundays]

It turns out I had an identical creed in my files, as well as some city bags. But is it plant 69 in 2000, or plant 9 in 2006?

Thank you, authenticators! If I can get pics of the underside of the turn lock and buckles without annoying the seller already (lol), I will forward them to you for your information

 

[Hyacinth]

Item: red Coach shoulder bag
Listing number: not sure where to find this
Seller and site where listed: desertandsage, Poshmark
Link: https://poshmark.com/listing/Vintage-Coach-Crossbody-with-Removable-Strap-5fa852eca4de41eadc810adc
Comments: Asking for help identifying this bag as I can't find the style number online. I think it's supposed to be a Penny or a Pocket Purse (which look the same to me. Is it the same bag by two different names?)

Serial appears to be 626-2843.

You WON't find that "style number" online, because it's not a style number.

Read the entire thread titled Salearea Guides that's Pinned to the top of every Coach Shopping page with an index, especially the Guides that discuss Creeds and Serial Numbers. And especially the one on Authenticity Guides.

SaleArea guides

Now that ebay is removing the guides they've been hosting for years, those who use those guides have been forced to either save them on their computers or print them. Tonight I found that the Salearea guides (including the Hyacinth/Salearea collaboration ones) have been saved to Salearea's...

forum.purseblog.com

The bag is genuine and made in the late 1980s, probably a Pocket Purse, style 9755.

 

[Hyacinth]

Item: vintage coach backpack
Listing number: N/A local seller
Seller and site where listed
Link: N/A
Comments: please authenticate. I’m not sure about the colour either -mahogany? TIA!


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Thank you, authenticators! If I can get pics of the underside of the turn lock and buckles without annoying the seller already (lol), I will forward them to you for your information

I don't think it's necessary to annoy the seller any further. It's a genuine Daypack made in 2006.

 

[apursenewbie]

@Hyacinth So I was basically looking up a number that doesn't exist? That explains a lot

Thanks for the your help and I can't wait to dig into that thread.

 

[lazysundays]

I don't think it's necessary to annoy the seller any further. It's a genuine Daypack made in 2006.

I was able to get these last pics for your records. Again, thanks for authenticating

 

[BeenBurned]

Thank you, authenticators! If I can get pics of the underside of the turn lock and buckles without annoying the seller already (lol), I will forward them to you for your information

I don't think it's necessary to annoy the seller any further. It's a genuine Daypack made in 2006.

I was able to get these last pics for your records. Again, thanks for authenticating

At the time I'd asked for additional pictures, it was before I'd found other examples of that type of creed and plant code.

The bag didn't have any other red flags but having not seen a creed with the formatting of that bag as well as not recalling having seen that plant code, I wondered (at the time) about the hardware.

Nice bag and you are lucky you found a tolerant seller who willingly dealt with all the demands we made!

 

[Hyacinth]

I was able to get these last pics for your records. Again, thanks for authenticating

Thanks, it's fine. I hope your seller hasn't lost her patience, but better to be sure than to take a chance, right?

 

[whateve]

Plant 9 in 2006. Year 2000 is much too early for a 2-digit plant code.


Here are a few timeline dates for style numbers and plant codes:

FIRST 5-NUMBER STYLE NUMBERS USED IN SUMMER 2006 catalog, earliest creed patch found in an actual bag so far shows a style 10001 with a B06Q- prefix, and a 10015 with a B06W- prefix.

Two-number plant codes may have been added and changed in 2006, some time after mid-year. I've seen a 1417 probably genuine with an Outlet mark with G066-1417, and all or most F06 prefixes had single-digit plant codes. So changes started around May-June 2006


First F for Factory codes appear in Spring 2006
Found several JULY 2006 G06S- prefixes w F10515 and F10516 serials, see creeds
Found a June - F06Q-F10411, and a May E06J-F10279, and a March C06S-F10187.

ETA - before mid-2006, the outlet Bulls-eye stamp would have been used both in bags or other items transferred from the full-price stores AND for items made specifically for the outlets (MFF).

First Outlet stamps - maybe early 1990s - see Genuine...-creeds-pre-94 City Bag white & 1989-92_9375_Dinky. There have also been Bean Bags with Outlet stamps, so maybe 1990-91?

Of course, those dates are subject to change.

That's what I thought. That's the way I had it in my files.

 

[Hyacinth]

@Hyacinth So I was basically looking up a number that doesn't exist? That explains a lot

Thanks for the your help and I can't wait to dig into that thread.

Yep, bags made before 1994 don't have searchable serial numbers, each number is unique. Only fakes will have the same 7-all-number serials as other fakes. From 1994 to the present, Coach added letters to the serial numbers and those numbers can and usually will have multiples.

 

[Foz]

please authenticate this wallet/ coin purse.
Purchased locally.
Coach coin purse with keychain
Thank you