Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[maramd]

That's a really interesting fake! Anytime you see the word "scratches" misspelled, you can be sure it is fake. The creed appears to have the correct style number and what almost looks like an outlet stamp. It's odd that they paid attention to certain details and then totally missed on others, like a date and plant code.

Thanks! Will report. I didn't catch the misspelled word. Probably because the serial number was so obviously off.

 

[BeenBurned]

Item: JRT keyfob
Seller: goodwillgirl08
Item number: 171631193833
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-New-J...pt=US_Women_s_Accessories&hash=item27f6042ee9

Comments: We've seen a lot of obvious fakes of this style of fob, some with the common bogus boxes with fake JRT labeling and some without boxes but with dogs wearing signature jackets.

I found this listing and would appreciate a second, third or more set of eyes to look at it. In addition to the obvious fake box, I think I see a few other miniscule differences. Since we've seen fake props used with authentic items as well as vice versa, I don't want to make an inaccurate conclusion based on a prop.

This is another case where I think my side-by-side comparisons might help. Although lighting and photo angle can make items appear differently, please look at width of the collar.

Here's the fake box followed by the side by sides:

 

[whateve]

This seems ok but wanted to be sure. Not many photos because it looks the same from both sides.

Coach Ergo Leather Hobo K2O-9219
12" long x 7" tall x 4" deep although this is another with all rounded edges
Has a polished nickel hang tag for the zipper pull-- I think it is missing a longer leather clip on pull.

Authentic. These had a leather loop attached with a dogleash clip so they were easy to remove and lose, or steal.

 

[whateve]

And this last one which seems the most mysterious (and dubious!)

Name? C0K-9460
10" long x 11" tall x 1" deep with adjustable strap approx 45" max length

This is a super soft sueded leather with the creed patch from the same type of leather (creed photo came out much lighter than IRL). Almost full length front flap and magnetic snap closure at the top of the inside compartment. Brushed nickel hardware and the strap has a ball adjustment instead of a buckle (more like vintage Dooney bags). I found one post for authentication of the same serial number from Salearea back in April 2010 but the photos had expired and there didn't seem to be any response to the post.

Thanks for all of your help!

I've never seen this one but it looks like the suede version of the Chelsea Hippie Flap #9458. It looks authentic.

 

[fayetot]

A seller who has all fakes but claims that one item is authentic isn't a seller I would want to do business with. As one of the TV judges says, "I wouldn't believe her if her tongue came notarized."

I'd rather not get too specific as to what's wrong with the bags that seller has on her Facebook page because someone who has such a large inventory is going to need to sell them to recoup her investment. If she knows what NOT to show, it'll make it easier for her to fool buyers into thinking they got the real deal.

The problem we've seen with Filippino items is that the fakes are extremely close to what the genuine items should look like. Patterns appear correct, stitching isn't as sloppy as obvious fakes, colors appear correct, etc. Often it takes a very experienced eye to catch the differences.

Sometimes the creed will have an incorrect style number. Or the serial number will have a date code that was prior to the style being made, Sometimes the thread or lining colors or materials will be slightly off, but not "off" enough that it's easy to catch.

Obviously, these are "better" and more expensive fakes than others and will be easier for scammers to fool unknowing buyers. These fakes are (IMO) purposely purchased with the purpose of fooling buyers because the prices charged are comparable (and sometimes more) to what one can get the authentic version for.

Though there are probably some honest sellers in the Philippines, I wouldn't recommend buying designer items from sellers there. Sorry.

Lesson learned. I asked for a refund. And she's mad about it. She's offering me her US bought coach bag. She fooled me once, how can I trust her again right?

Thanks for your expertise.

 

[whateve]

Here is the next one. I found one like it for sale on the Bay but that may be meaningless...

Coach Clutch or Organizer? L6M-9833 (Name would be appreciated)
11" long x 7" tall x 2.5" deep
Gold toned magnetic snap at zipper end, lined in black matte fabric- probably nylon.
Came with wrist strap with small brass dog leash clip and Coach embossed brass rivet-- was this original or an add-on? Seems a little clumsy with the small leather zipper pull.

I think it's an authentic International Clutch. I have no idea what's up with that strap. As far as I know, it isn't original to the bag. The one I have in my files is a normal wristlet strap, wrapped in leather, like you'd see on a basic bag. It was removable, attaching with a dogleash clip to a ring on the inside, so maybe it was lost and someone replaced it, deciding to attach it to the zipper instead of the ring, but I don't know where that other strap would have come from. It doesn't look like something Coach used during that time period.

 

[missbaltimore]

I've never seen this one but it looks like the suede version of the Chelsea Hippie Flap #9458. It looks authentic.

Thank you! I just looked up photos of the Chelsea Hippie Flap 9458 and yes it does look like the same bag.

 

[missbaltimore]

I think it's an authentic International Clutch. I have no idea what's up with that strap. As far as I know, it isn't original to the bag. The one I have in my files is a normal wristlet strap, wrapped in leather, like you'd see on a basic bag. It was removable, attaching with a dogleash clip to a ring on the inside, so maybe it was lost and someone replaced it, deciding to attach it to the zipper instead of the ring, but I don't know where that other strap would have come from. It doesn't look like something Coach used during that time period.

Thank you-- it makes so much more sense now! The wrist strap is most likely original to the bag but it was meant to attach to the little ring just inside the bag rather than to the main zipper. I've just tried this and it is so much better. Thanks again!

 

[Hoalatha]

Item: Coach Limited Edition Stitched Leather Brown Signature Embossed Hobo Bag Listing number:
Seller: newlywed0506
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321632379586?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Is this a fake? I looked up the style number and kept getting hits for something else. Also, is that a number 6 in the middle of the word burnished?

 

[Hyacinth]

Item: Coach Limited Edition Stitched Leather Brown Signature Embossed Hobo Bag Listing number:
Seller: newlywed0506
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321632379586?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Is this a fake? I looked up the style number and kept getting hits for something else. Also, is that a number 6 in the middle of the word burnished?

Many of the "S"s in the creed look a bit like 6s but they're not. The angle of the lighting can change how numbers and letters look.

I don't know what style number you're searching for but if it's not # 10223 that would explain why you can't find it. There are several listed on Ebay right now and in the last few months:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...rgn=-1&saslc=1&_salic=1&_sop=1&_dmd=1&_ipg=50

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Clothing-Sh...rgn=-1&saslc=1&_salic=1&_sop=1&_dmd=1&_ipg=50

If you're wasting your time looking on Google, STOP. The first place you should always search is Ebay.

And no, it's NOT a fake. Here's Coach's website photo:

 

[Hoalatha]

Many of the "S"s in the creed look a bit like 6s but they're not.

I don't know what style number you're searching for but if it's not # 10223 that would explain why you can't find it. There are several listed on Ebay right now and in the last few months:

If you're wasting your time looking on Google, STOP. The first place you should always search is Ebay.

And no, it's NOT a fake. Here's Coach's website photo:

Ah! Sorry about that. Even blown up, that last number still looks like an 8 to me. Thank you!

 

[Hyacinth]

And this last one which seems the most mysterious (and dubious!)

Name? C0K-9460
10" long x 11" tall x 1" deep with adjustable strap approx 45" max length

This is a super soft sueded leather with the creed patch from the same type of leather (creed photo came out much lighter than IRL). Almost full length front flap and magnetic snap closure at the top of the inside compartment. Brushed nickel hardware and the strap has a ball adjustment instead of a buckle (more like vintage Dooney bags). I found one post for authentication of the same serial number from Salearea back in April 2010 but the photos had expired and there didn't seem to be any response to the post.

Thanks for all of your help!

9460 is a Nubuc Chelsea Hippie Flap.

 

[Hyacinth]

Item: JRT keyfob
Seller: goodwillgirl08
Item number: 171631193833
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-New-J...pt=US_Women_s_Accessories&hash=item27f6042ee9

Comments: We've seen a lot of obvious fakes of this style of fob, some with the common bogus boxes with fake JRT labeling and some without boxes but with dogs wearing signature jackets.

I found this listing and would appreciate a second, third or more set of eyes to look at it. In addition to the obvious fake box, I think I see a few other miniscule differences. Since we've seen fake props used with authentic items as well as vice versa, I don't want to make an inaccurate conclusion based on a prop.

This is another case where I think my side-by-side comparisons might help. Although lighting and photo angle can make items appear differently, please look at width of the collar.

Here's the fake box followed by the side by sides:

Along with the fake box the fake's collar is too wide, the nose is very slightly off, and the hardware isn't right either. The Coach logo on the back looks pretty bad, the "A" is much too heavy and I don't think it's just a trick of the lighting.

The fake box and number have slightly different details than the older fake boxes. But except for the bogus Italian labels, they all use the same exact UPC code. The "brand new in box" comment seems to point to that being the way the seller bought it or found it. It's probably a newer fake but with some of the same details on the box. I can't imagine anyone selling a genuine keychain spending time looking for a brand-new box to put it in - and finding one.

 

[missbaltimore]

9460 is a Nubuc Chelsea Hippie Flap.

Thank you so much for your input. As always, your expertise is invaluable

 

[BeenBurned]

Item: JRT keyfob
Seller: goodwillgirl08
Item number: 171631193833
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-New-J...pt=US_Women_s_Accessories&hash=item27f6042ee9

Comments: We've seen a lot of obvious fakes of this style of fob, some with the common bogus boxes with fake JRT labeling and some without boxes but with dogs wearing signature jackets.

I found this listing and would appreciate a second, third or more set of eyes to look at it. In addition to the obvious fake box, I think I see a few other miniscule differences. Since we've seen fake props used with authentic items as well as vice versa, I don't want to make an inaccurate conclusion based on a prop.

This is another case where I think my side-by-side comparisons might help. Although lighting and photo angle can make items appear differently, please look at width of the collar.

Here's the fake box followed by the side by sides:

Along with the fake box the fake's collar is too wide, the nose is very slightly off, and the hardware isn't right either. The Coach logo on the back looks pretty bad, the "A" is much too heavy and I don't think it's just a trick of the lighting.

The fake box and number have slightly different details than the older fake boxes. But except for the bogus Italian labels, they all use the same exact UPC code. The "brand new in box" comment seems to point to that being the way the seller bought it or found it. It's probably a newer fake but with some of the same details on the box. I can't imagine anyone selling a genuine keychain spending time looking for a brand-new box to put it in - and finding one.

Thank you for confirming. This is one of the "better" fakes and it's getting scarier out there.

BTW, I don't believe this is a case where the seller sought out a box separate from her purchase of the keychain. I do believe she "got" it that way and I also don't believe that the seller is aware that it's fake. (She has another Coach keychain (genuine) in her completed listings as well as an authentic pair of Coach shoes.)