Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

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For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[Hyacinth]

As promised...

On Monday my account was reinstated but my listings still gone, on Tuesday I got email saying that they didn't forget my case, thanks for my patience, on Wednesday I got another email saying that my account should be all back to normal by now, apologies for the inconvenience, but my listings were still gone so I replied to them, saying that I won't stop till they are back and my record of "violations" gone.
Today I got another "very" apologetic email, saying my listings are back (they are), my violations gone as well, and their moderation team is looking at how to improve their system regarding removals.

They did the right thing so I thanked them, and suggested to include in their TOS that reporting out of spite or to get rid of competitors, should warrant the closing of accounts.

I want to also say thanks to all of you here that supported me and authenticated my items again, so I could prove their authenticity to PM, if they ruled against me. They didn't even ask for proof so I didn't send them, what makes me think they realized why my items were reported and had nothing to do with being real or fake.

Congratulations!

 

[Roro]

According to the info that we've seen it's NOT 1960s, I don't think there were any tags or stampings that early except maybe the early version of the leather hangtag. I hope Whateve will correct me if I'm a bit off on the dates but early to mid 1970s is where I'd put it with the black metal tag.

I'm not sure why the seller is using "tan" in the title description.

I had inquired about the 'tan'. It was a typo that she couldn't correct because there was already a bid. She did address it in the text of the description.

I wondered if it would be from the 70's. I wish I had had the money then. Unfortunately if I told you what my starting salary as a teacher was you'd choke and realize that there was no Coach in my life then.

 

[Hyacinth]

I lighted the creed but I still can't read the prefix.
View attachment 4653189

Neither can I. It's possible that it's "J8B-" but that's a shot in the dark. It doesn't look like J8P- which is good.

Here's a genuine J8B- for comparison:



ETA - Maybe it's J6B-, a briefcase from 1998 would have a different turnlock. Let me see if I can find one.

EATA - A 6 year code works too, same font. But that STILL leaves the problem with the turnlock.

 

[Ebkbay]

I had inquired about the 'tan'. It was a typo that she couldn't correct because there was already a bid. She did address it in the text of the description.

I wondered if it would be from the 70's. I wish I had had the money then. Unfortunately if I told you what my starting salary as a teacher was you'd choke and realize that there was no Coach in my life then.

In my opinion, teachers are still very much underpaid in the US. The situation
is better in Canada, I think.

 

[Hyacinth]

Have a couple to check on, these are local and I don't have a link to share.

First is a briefbag that reminds me of a Willis family member and the second is a court bag. Any help or insight is greatly appreciated.

The court is authentic. The briefcase is probably okay but I can't read the creed.

I lighted the creed but I still can't read the prefix.
View attachment 4653189

Neither can I. It's possible that it's "J8B-" but that's a shot in the dark. It doesn't look like J8P- which is good.

Here's a genuine J8B- for comparison:
View attachment 4653258


ETA - Maybe it's J6B-, a briefcase from 1998 would have a different turnlock. Let me see if I can find one.

EATA - A 6 year code works too, same font. But that STILL leaves the problem with the turnlock.
View attachment 4653275

HANG ON, there may be a problem.

The padding above the turnlock in the briefcase photo has a curved bottom that follows the shape of the turnlock, just like a genuine Willis. But the 5266 Beekman shouldn't have that shape. There are 2 different turnlock tab designs depending on the year and this doesn't match either one.

Thumbnails:
Holiday 1993


Fall 1995


Spring 1996 (new turnlock and turnlock tab designs starting very early in the year)


An Ebay Search for Coach (Beekman,5266) doesn't turn up ANY with a Willis-style curved bottom turnlock leather tab.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=coach+(beekman,5266)&_sacat=0

I think it MAY be fake.

Here's the photo of the turnlock on the briefcase being questioned:

Post 45442

 

[ClassicCoach]

It's authentic and in this rare case, Entrupy got it right. (They don't do that often!)
Interestingly, that same bag was questions on ebay's fashion board a couple of days ago. The bean bag creed is explained in that post.

Thanks so much for the info. I thought it was a style of bag but apparently the creed made it into a number of production lines. Do you have any idea what the style is?

 

[gaditana]

That one is authentic.

In the future, please include the info required by post 1, page 1 including seller ID and a link to the listing.

ok thank you. I had posted in the ID thread that it was a local seller so no listing#, etc. Thanks again!!

 

[BeenBurned]

I'm not sure why the seller is using "tan" in the title description.

I had inquired about the 'tan'. It was a typo that she couldn't correct because there was already a bid. She did address it in the text of the description.

I wondered if it would be from the 70's. I wish I had had the money then. Unfortunately if I told you what my starting salary as a teacher was you'd choke and realize that there was no Coach in my life then.

She'd updated with her correction on January 24. It's in the body of the description:

On Jan-24-20 at 06:10:11 PST, seller added the following information:

The title states Navy Blue Tan leather. The bag is navy blue.. NO tan.

 

[BeenBurned]

Have a couple to check on, these are local and I don't have a link to share.

First is a briefbag that reminds me of a Willis family member and the second is a court bag. Any help or insight is greatly appreciated.

The court is authentic. The briefcase is probably okay but I can't read the creed.

I lighted the creed but I still can't read the prefix.
View attachment 4653189

HANG ON, there may be a problem.

The padding above the turnlock in the briefcase photo has a curved bottom that follows the shape of the turnlock, just like a genuine Willis. But the 5266 Beekman shouldn't have that shape. There are 2 different turnlock tab designs depending on the year and this doesn't match either one.

Thumbnails:
Holiday 1993
View attachment 4653295

Fall 1995
View attachment 4653296

Spring 1996 (new turnlock and turnlock tab designs starting very early in the year)
View attachment 4653305

An Ebay Search for Coach (Beekman,5266) doesn't turn up ANY with a Willis-style curved bottom turnlock leather tab.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=coach+(beekman,5266)&_sacat=0

I think it MAY be fake.

Here's the photo of the turnlock on the briefcase being questioned:
View attachment 4653313
Post 45442

I think there's a bigger problem than the turnlock.

The bag in question has just 2 long pen (?) pockets on the other (non-creed) pocket:


I believe there are supposed to be 3 vertical pockets:

 

[whateve]

Good afternoon,
This creed says that this is a Coach Bean Bag. Is this authentic? I have never seen a creed like this before.
https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/85223623
Thanks in advance.

Thanks so much for the info. I thought it was a style of bag but apparently the creed made it into a number of production lines. Do you have any idea what the style is?

It's 9850 compartment bag.

 

[jdal622]

Goodwill find
My mother found this in one of the heavily discounted bins and only paid 35 cents for it. She's not sure if it's authentic and was wanting me to find out for her. Thanks so much!

 

[Hyacinth]

I think there's a bigger problem than the turnlock.

The bag in question has just 2 long pen (?) pockets on the other (non-creed) pocket:
View attachment 4653334

I believe there are supposed to be 3 vertical pockets:
View attachment 4653337 View attachment 4653338

Apparently that also depends on the year, it looks like that was another change that happened in 1996.

L5C-5266, 1995 and before, TWO pen slots


K6C-5266, 1996 and newer, THREE pen slots



"Fascinating", to quote Mr. Spock.

 

[BeenBurned]

Goodwill find
My mother found this in one of the heavily discounted bins and only paid 35 cents for it. She's not sure if it's authentic and was wanting me to find out for her. Thanks so much!

Great deal! Yes, it's genuine.

 

[BeenBurned]

Apparently that also depends on the year, it looks like that was another change that happened in 1996.

L5C-5266, 1995 and before
View attachment 4653386

K6C-5266, 1996 and newer
View attachment 4653387


"Fascinating", to quote Mr. Spock.

Ugh! Although I have to say that the year doesn't look like 1995 or earlier on that creed!

@zooba - Is there any way to get a better creed photo?

Enlarged serial number:

 

[Hyacinth]

Ugh! Although I have to say that the year doesn't look like 1995 or earlier on that creed!

@zooba - Is there any way to get a better creed photo?

Enlarged serial number:
View attachment 4653393

View attachment 4653393

No, in that pic it looks like an 8. But if it was, the old-style oval turnlock by itself would be almost enough proof, assuming one of the owners hadn't replaced it. That's always the tricky bit with turnlocks. I'd like to see a better photo of the entire creed and serial, with the pocket pulled out if it can be, laid as flat as possible to avoid glare and foreshortening, and some light powder on the serial number to highlight the prefix.