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BeenBurned said:
I never recommend donating a fake because that just keeps it in circulation and continuing to be a risk to future buyers who may think (and pay for) what they believe is an authentic item.
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No worries there! I actually volunteer at a charity resale shop and I'm training to spot fakes and price real handbags now. I'd just give the pieces of the bag to anyone who rehabs but as for the purses themselves, well I thought first to destroy them but now I'll probably just bury them in the basement.
 
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Can someone please authenticate this folio?
 

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#42,514
Hello! Can I please have this bag authenticated? Thank you always for your help!

Item: brown bag that I don’t know the name of
(Found at thrift store)
Photos:
Dimensions: 10 x 6 x 2.5 approx
Comments: Made in 1995?
 
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JuiceBox said:
Item: BNWT COACH Swagger 34408 Carryall Satchel in Black pebbled leather
Listing number: 223720163032
Seller: aliamy
Link: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/223720163032
Comments: bought because it looked like the one I saw in TM Maxx but now I'm worried because I haven't seen the same style of leather label in many others. :sad:
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I don't see any problems with the bag in the listing.

The authentic bags that have creeds without serial numbers are from 2015 and 2016 and rather than a serial number on the creed, they have the production/serial number on a white label inside the bag.
2015 swagger 34408 creed sans serial number.png 2015 swagger 34408 sans serial number - production label.png

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Your bag and others with serial number on the creed were made in 2018:
2018 swagger 34408 creed in question.png 2018 swagger 34408 creed 1.png 2018 swagger 34408 creed 2.png

It looks like it was some time between 2016 and 2018 that Coach reverted back to putting serial numbers on creeds.
 
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BeenBurned said:
I don't see any problems with the bag in the listing.

The authentic bags that have creeds without serial numbers are from 2015 and 2016 and rather than a serial number on the creed, they have the production/serial number on a white label inside the bag.
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Your bag and others with serial number on the creed were made in 2018:
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It looks like it was some time between 2016 and 2018 that Coach reverted back to putting serial numbers on creeds.
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Thank you so much for the info, much appreciated :flowers:
 
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Vtgjessycabytes said:
Hello there! I'm new to posting but I've been visiting this forum for a few months since being handed down six Coach bags from my family. This bag I'm posting in particular is peculiar to me. There are a few discrepancies for the noobie that I am. For instance, I recognize this is a station bag but I can't date it. I've photographed the creed to my best ability but there is no serial stamped in underneath of the creed. Also the metals are concerning. The turn lock and the top handle hardware are brass toned but the side d-rings are silver toned and the strap that I was given with the bag is silver toned. The strap is one half inch wide. The leather feels okay to me but on the sides where the d-rings are I'm not sure if the threading is worn from age or poorly constructed. I'd appreciate your help. If this bag is fake I'll destroy it and move on but if it's real I may like to carry it or pass it along to someone who can love it more.
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Hyacinth said:
The mixed metals and poor stitching on the leather mounting tab are both problems, but the real problem I'm seeing is the creed and the LACK of a serial number, both are huge red flags. Take a really close look at the creed wording, specifically the word "scrAtches". The letter A seems to be missing and that's only found on fakes and is absolute proof that it's not genuine. Also, genuine bags from that period indicated by that creed wording would not have had the word "markings" split between two lines of text and hyphenated.

There are other problems like the shape of the top handle, but the misspelling and bad punctuation (by Coach's standards at the time anyway) should be enough proof. If you destroy it, save the strap and the turnlock unless the turnlock plate that the prongs clamp around has indentations for the prongs.

(To bring out the letters of a badly worn creed stamp or serial number, sometimes it helps to take a very light-colored powder like a pale eyeshadow or highlighter, or even baby powder or something similar and very lightly brush it over the words or numbers that are too faint to read. The powder settles into the indentations and when you gently wipe the residue off, the excess comes off but the indented or stamped areas usually show up more clearly. Afterwards the leather can be cleaned off with a damp but not soaking wet washcloth. Try it and see if it says "SCRTCHES".)
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Hyacinth said:
Aaaargh! I had a nice long answer all typed out including "scrtches" and "mark-ings", and the top handle and advice on how to bring out the stamping more clearly and it's gone. Nuts!
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Now where the heck was that hiding and why couldn't I find it before?
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Vtgjessycabytes said:
No worries there! I actually volunteer at a charity resale shop and I'm training to spot fakes and price real handbags now. I'd just give the pieces of the bag to anyone who rehabs but as for the purses themselves, well I thought first to destroy them but now I'll probably just bury them in the basement.
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It's Halloween Week, anything you bury in the basement might come back to haunt you. Be careful! ;)

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Vtgjessycabytes said:
Thank you for your promptness. Everything did post up a bit so I was able to read your longer reply. Much gratitude! I will post the oval piece! Idk if that photo is clear enough, I have to flash a light in the bag to photograph it.

So weird that someone would want to go through the trouble of faking this bag!
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The area we need to see is actually much easier to photograph, we so for future reference just remember to photograph the back of the turnlock assembly where the prongs hold the front and back plates of the turnlock together. In handbags ONLY (this doesn't apply to briefcases which often have indentations and squared-off ends if they were made from 1996 to the present, or to turnlocks that have been replaced with non-Coach pieces) the presense of indentations for those prongs to fit into usually but not always indicate a fake, but we really want to see if the bag has other problems to confirm it. But there are a few exceptions so always ask here first. NOT having those indentations does NOT mean it's genuine, so be careful! Sometimes what might look like incentations can just be from cleaning.

Here's an example - indented plate vs smooth plate
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