Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[tinabina1985]

Had you come prior to purchasing, I wouldn't have recommended that Amazon listing or seller because the pictures shown are stock images and there's no way to know what you'll receive.
I'm assuming the pictures you've posted are images of the actual item you received.

If so, I don't see any red flags but I don't know the bag well.

Perhaps someone else has the bag and has an opinion.

Thanks for the reply. The photos I posted are indeed what I received when I got the package. I knew the listing was of stock photos but since it had a reliable/free return policy I decided I'd take the risk and send it back if it wasn't up to par lol

 

[Lake Effect]

LOL! Did you go through his listings after I'd posted on the Hall of Shame earlier today?

I saw that bag and didn't post there (on the HOS) because the creed was illegible, but I certainly wouldn't have recommended buying it!

I will defer to @Hyacinth before posting what I really think of the bag (and of ProVintageGear)!

And although some of his bags are lovely (and authentic), I can't recommend or promote a seller who doesn't care about his reputation or buyers enough to verify the legality of his listings.

JMHO.

Crikey, that is AWFUL. Not just the wonky turnlock, but the lock itself is off-center and the flap is lopsided. The proportions of every piece on the bag are wrong from the flap to the top handle. The Made In U.S.A. creed means it was made between 1988 and 1990, so I don't know where the seller is getting his information on the dates but it's NOT from the 60s or 70s. And although he claims it's the 5130 Shoulder Pouch Large from the 1983 catalog the Made In U.S.A creed doesn't fit that year at all. Not just the date is wrong but the proportions of the flap and the direction in which the turnlock is aligned don't match this page from the Fall 1983 catalog he's referring to.:
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To move closer to the date indicated by the creed, here's the Holiday 1987 catalog pic - still different:
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And why is the photo of the inside showing what looks like 2 greenish leather pieces divided by what looks like a vertical seam? The strap mounting rings are too low on the side, that size bag during the years that creed wording was used should have had a serial number, and I don't see any period after "glove tanned cowhide" on the creed. I don't have any vintage 5130s but was the front of the main compartment made of 2 different pieces? I've NEVER seen that before.

Seller photos from ProVintageGear
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There's nothing right about that bag. The creed stamp is close although the point at the top of the "A" seems noticeably higher than the tops of the other letters, but the bag is fake.

Ty. I wanted to save someone $80.10 plus shipping.

 

[c.mccarran]

• GTIN
  0191202181038
• UPC
  0191202181038
• eBay Product ID (ePID)
  13008976409
• SELLER fayinseattle
• https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-F582...-Tote-Handbag-295-Khaki-Saddle-2/264260287428
  
• this is the best pic of creed I could get from seller. I have been waiting almost two years to get a needed bag that will last. I got lucky few years ago and was able to purchase my first Authentic Coach bag but I am worried that this is fake because of creed only sewn on two sides and the Cs do not line up on sides. I know that isn't a clear indication of counterfeit and I need help, please.
• 

 

[BeenBurned]

• GTIN
  0191202181038
• UPC
  0191202181038
• eBay Product ID (ePID)
  13008976409
• SELLER fayinseattle
• https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-F582...-Tote-Handbag-295-Khaki-Saddle-2/264260287428
  
• this is the best pic of creed I could get from seller. I have been waiting almost two years to get a needed bag that will last. I got lucky few years ago and was able to purchase my first Authentic Coach bag but I am worried that this is fake because of creed only sewn on two sides and the Cs do not line up on sides. I know that isn't a clear indication of counterfeit and I need help, please.View attachment 4462595 View attachment 4462605
• View attachment 4462594

The newer bags are well-faked and it's important to see sellers' own pictures. (If a seller purchases more than one of a new/NWT item and uses one set of pictures in the listing, those pictures should be of one of the items she has in her possession. And in this case,
fayinseattle took pictures in the Coach Outlet store but there's no evidence that the item is one of the ones she is selling. (Many dishonest counterfeit sellers and websitesshow listings with stock images but those aren't the items buyers will receive.)

And based on her feedback received, it appears she may pre-sell items, meaning she sells then goes to the store to purchase for her buyers. The problem with this is that items may no longer be in stock and she'll have unhappy buyers, such as some of these buyers just for the last 12 months:
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

As for the listing in question and the pictures shown, the bag is authentic though I can't read the creed and a legible picture IS necessary. Although there are exceptions, for most patterned bags, the pattern is centered and matched front and back but it's impossible to also match sides perfectly.

Regarding the creed, some bags have stitching all around the patch while others have it only down the sides. The stitching on the sides is correct for this bag.

Assuming that the seller can still obtain the bag she is selling, you'll probably be fine though if you have doubts, come back when you receive it.

But I'd verify with the seller that she is actually able to get the bag before you buy it in order to avoid disappointment. (Or find another seller who has it in her possession.)

 

[jillhives]

Happy Saturday! Please take a looksie at this tan willis for me, thanks!
Item: Tan Willis
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/698655888/coach-vintage-leather-classic-willis
Seller: TheAftCabin
Comments: I searched the seller who has been discussed on the forum. It seems they have a fairly good record as far as authenticity goes but not so much on accuracy as far as vintage/non vintage goes. If this is authentic, I'd love to know year as well. If it's not, I'd love to know the red flags you're seeing.

• It seems to have nice padding above turnlock and the turnlock is oriented the correct way! (see I learned that from post above! )
• Has correct lever hinged clip strap attachments (not the push-down dog leash kind seen on smaller bags.) What are these lever hinge clips called?
• Serial F4C-9927. Font looks legit to me but is very clean. No stamp lines above or below. Has factory outlet circle stamp.
• If authentic, was manufactured in June 1994?

 

[jillhives]

I'm also interested in this backpack
Item: Large Backpack (is this the correct name of the model?)
Link: https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/70095039
Seller: https://www.shopgoodwill.com/washington
Comments: The images are a little small, not sure if there is enough detail to tell or not. Serial: E5C-9943 If it is authentic, made in May 1995?

 

[c.mccarran]

The newer bags are well-faked and it's important to see sellers' own pictures. (If a seller purchases more than one of a new/NWT item and uses one set of pictures in the listing, those pictures should be of one of the items she has in her possession. And in this case,
fayinseattle took pictures in the Coach Outlet store but there's no evidence that the item is one of the ones she is selling. (Many dishonest counterfeit sellers and websitesshow listings with stock images but those aren't the items buyers will receive.)

And based on her feedback received, it appears she may pre-sell items, meaning she sells then goes to the store to purchase for her buyers. The problem with this is that items may no longer be in stock and she'll have unhappy buyers, such as some of these buyers just for the last 12 months:
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

As for the listing in question and the pictures shown, the bag is authentic though I can't read the creed and a legible picture IS necessary. Although there are exceptions, for most patterned bags, the pattern is centered and matched front and back but it's impossible to also match sides perfectly.

Regarding the creed, some bags have stitching all around the patch while others have it only down the sides. The stitching on the sides is correct for this bag.

Assuming that the seller can still obtain the bag she is selling, you'll probably be fine though if you have doubts, come back when you receive it.

But I'd verify with the seller that she is actually able to get the bag before you buy it in order to avoid disappointment. (Or find another seller who has it in her possession.)

thank you for the quick reply!
The seller sent the creed pics within a couple hours and appear to be in her house,unlike the original posting pics that are in store. after reading more posts on the coach feed, I realized I never looked on Coach factory website. They have same purse,for less with discount but the creed is different,lacks any numbers and stitched all around. Can you explain why this is?

The newer bags are well-faked and it's important to see sellers' own pictures. (If a seller purchases more than one of a new/NWT item and uses one set of pictures in the listing, those pictures should be of one of the items she has in her possession. And in this case,
fayinseattle took pictures in the Coach Outlet store but there's no evidence that the item is one of the ones she is selling. (Many dishonest counterfeit sellers and websitesshow listings with stock images but those aren't the items buyers will receive.)

And based on her feedback received, it appears she may pre-sell items, meaning she sells then goes to the store to purchase for her buyers. The problem with this is that items may no longer be in stock and she'll have unhappy buyers, such as some of these buyers just for the last 12 months:
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

As for the listing in question and the pictures shown, the bag is authentic though I can't read the creed and a legible picture IS necessary. Although there are exceptions, for most patterned bags, the pattern is centered and matched front and back but it's impossible to also match sides perfectly.

Regarding the creed, some bags have stitching all around the patch while others have it only down the sides. The stitching on the sides is correct for this bag.

Assuming that the seller can still obtain the bag she is selling, you'll probably be fine though if you have doubts, come back when you receive it.

But I'd verify with the seller that she is actually able to get the bag before you buy it in order to avoid disappointment. (Or find another seller who has it in her possession.)

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The newer bags are well-faked and it's important to see sellers' own pictures. (If a seller purchases more than one of a new/NWT item and uses one set of pictures in the listing, those pictures should be of one of the items she has in her possession. And in this case,
fayinseattle took pictures in the Coach Outlet store but there's no evidence that the item is one of the ones she is selling. (Many dishonest counterfeit sellers and websitesshow listings with stock images but those aren't the items buyers will receive.)

And based on her feedback received, it appears she may pre-sell items, meaning she sells then goes to the store to purchase for her buyers. The problem with this is that items may no longer be in stock and she'll have unhappy buyers, such as some of these buyers just for the last 12 months:
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

As for the listing in question and the pictures shown, the bag is authentic though I can't read the creed and a legible picture IS necessary. Although there are exceptions, for most patterned bags, the pattern is centered and matched front and back but it's impossible to also match sides perfectly.

Regarding the creed, some bags have stitching all around the patch while others have it only down the sides. The stitching on the sides is correct for this bag.

Assuming that the seller can still obtain the bag she is selling, you'll probably be fine though if you have doubts, come back when you receive it.

But I'd verify with the seller that she is actually able to get the bag before you buy it in order to avoid disappointment. (Or find another seller who has it in her possession.)

The newer bags are well-faked and it's important to see sellers' own pictures. (If a seller purchases more than one of a new/NWT item and uses one set of pictures in the listing, those pictures should be of one of the items she has in her possession. And in this case,
fayinseattle took pictures in the Coach Outlet store but there's no evidence that the item is one of the ones she is selling. (Many dishonest counterfeit sellers and websitesshow listings with stock images but those aren't the items buyers will receive.)

And based on her feedback received, it appears she may pre-sell items, meaning she sells then goes to the store to purchase for her buyers. The problem with this is that items may no longer be in stock and she'll have unhappy buyers, such as some of these buyers just for the last 12 months:
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS...=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

As for the listing in question and the pictures shown, the bag is authentic though I can't read the creed and a legible picture IS necessary. Although there are exceptions, for most patterned bags, the pattern is centered and matched front and back but it's impossible to also match sides perfectly.

Regarding the creed, some bags have stitching all around the patch while others have it only down the sides. The stitching on the sides is correct for this bag.

Assuming that the seller can still obtain the bag she is selling, you'll probably be fine though if you have doubts, come back when you receive it.

But I'd verify with the seller that she is actually able to get the bag before you buy it in order to avoid disappointment. (Or find another seller who has it in her possession.)

Thank you for such a quick reply! The pics of creed the seller sent after I requested,were sent within a couple of hours and appear to be taken in a house. I can zoom the pic and see the numbers.
The No looks authentic and reads E1878-F58292.
After reading more posts on the Coach feeds, I realized I never looked on the outlet website for Coach. I found the purse there but the creed is sewn on all sides and does not have any numbers on bottom. I don't understand why the different creeds for same F58292 purse.

 

[BeenBurned]

Happy Saturday! Please take a looksie at this tan willis for me, thanks!
Item: Tan Willis
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/698655888/coach-vintage-leather-classic-willis
Seller: TheAftCabin
Comments: I searched the seller who has been discussed on the forum. It seems they have a fairly good record as far as authenticity goes but not so much on accuracy as far as vintage/non vintage goes. If this is authentic, I'd love to know year as well. If it's not, I'd love to know the red flags you're seeing.

• It seems to have nice padding above turnlock and the turnlock is oriented the correct way! (see I learned that from post above! )
• Has correct lever hinged clip strap attachments (not the push-down dog leash kind seen on smaller bags.) What are these lever hinge clips called?
• Serial F4C-9927. Font looks legit to me but is very clean. No stamp lines above or below. Has factory outlet circle stamp.
• If authentic, was manufactured in June 1994?

It's an authentic Willis from 1994 but as you saw before, TheAftCabin is still either clueless about ages of her items or doesn't care. She has some listings of bags from 2002 and 2003 described as "vintage from before 2000," clearly not accurate info.

But for the items I looked at, at least they are authentic.

 

[BeenBurned]

Thank you for such a quick reply! The pics of creed the seller sent after I requested,were sent within a couple of hours and appear to be taken in a house. I can zoom the pic and see the numbers.
The No looks authentic and reads E1878-F58292.
After reading more posts on the Coach feeds, I realized I never looked on the outlet website for Coach. I found the purse there but the creed is sewn on all sides and does not have any numbers on bottom. I don't understand why the different creeds for same F58292 purse.

I didn't look at or for other listings of the same style but each item has to be evaluated based on its own merits.

In fact, there was a request here yesterday:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33165777

And I responded to the differences between the 2 identical bags here:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33165794
and here:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...ost-for-format.889527/page-2537#post-33166129

Without seeing what you're referring to and seeing the listings, I'm thinking that the differences might be for similar reasons.

 

[Hyacinth]

I'm also interested in this backpack
Item: Large Backpack (is this the correct name of the model?)
Link: https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/70095039
Seller: https://www.shopgoodwill.com/washington
Comments: The images are a little small, not sure if there is enough detail to tell or not. Serial: E5C-9943 If it is authentic, made in May 1995?

It's a genuine Classic Backpack made in 1995

 

[Hyacinth]

Happy Saturday! Please take a looksie at this tan willis for me, thanks!
Item: Tan Willis
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/698655888/coach-vintage-leather-classic-willis
Seller: TheAftCabin
...

• It seems to have nice padding above turnlock and the turnlock is oriented the correct way! (see I learned that from post above! )
• Has correct lever hinged clip strap attachments (not the push-down dog leash kind seen on smaller bags.) What are these lever hinge clips called?
• Serial F4C-9927. Font looks legit to me but is very clean. No stamp lines above or below. Has factory outlet circle stamp.
• If authentic, was manufactured in June 1994?

Those strap attachment clips are usually called trigger snaps or trigger clips.

Red flags can very from fake to fake. Each item has to be looked at individually since there were - and ARE - more than one fakes manufacturer and they all do things differently and make different mistakes.

You're correct about the date. The Salearea Guides posted here explain how to read the codes in a serial number from 1994 or newer
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/salearea-guides.983575/

 

[Mishelundersun]

Please kindly authenticate this for me dear authenticators....
Rare,vintage bonnie cashin leather coach courier bag.
Seller: diecast
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/192946152224

Also attached creed photos I asked from seller.

 

[Hyacinth]

Please kindly authenticate this for me dear authenticators....
Rare,vintage bonnie cashin leather coach courier bag.
Seller: diecast
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/192946152224

Also attached creed photos I asked from seller.

It looks genuine. Keep in mind that while it may have been originally designed by Cashin, it's not "Cashin era" since it was made probably at least 5 and as much as 10 years after Cashin stopped designing for Coach (1974). Cashin-era bags won't have serial numbers and probably not even creed stamps. This one is most likely from the very early 1980s or as late as 1986 when that version of the style was discontinued.

 

[BeenBurned]

Please kindly authenticate this for me dear authenticators....
Rare,vintage bonnie cashin leather coach courier bag.
Seller: diecast
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/192946152224

Also attached creed photos I asked from seller.

It looks genuine. Keep in mind that while it may have been originally designed by Cashin, it's not "Cashin era" since it was made probably at least 5 and as much as 10 years after Cashin stopped designing for Coach (1974). Cashin-era bags won't have serial numbers and probably not even creed stamps. This one is most likely from the very early 1980s or as late as 1986 when that version of the style was discontinued.

I agree with @Hyacinth that the bag seems okay but I'm curious why the seller, diecatt (who is located in Beaumont, TX) showed a picture (image #9) taken from a Canadian seller's Etsy listing. (The Canadian seller's picture looks more British tan or a lighter color whereas diecatt's bag looks mahogany.)

 

[BeenBurned]

The paperwork and props in this seller's listings raise red flags.

ETA: Note that although the receipt is blurry, it appears to be from a US outlet (PA?) so the paperwork isn't "Asian exclusive."

Opinions?

seller japan-shop-amorey (141)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Snoo...622582?hash=item340ba46536:g:c~4AAOSwMYtc7gTS

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Clothing-Shoes-Accessories/11450/m.html?item=223533622582&hash=item340ba46536:g:c~4AAOSwMYtc7gTS&_ssn=japan-shop-amorey

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Interesting thing too about that white and reddish "An American Classic" booklet - take a very close look at the Coach logo in the bottom right corner. It's obvious in the first photo in your post but it shows up in one of the other photos too. The base of the "A" is below the line of the other letters. It's probably less than a millimeter lower but it IS lower. None of the booklets I received with bags i bought directly from Coach years ago showed that kind of mistake (and back then the booklet's cover colors were white and brown, not red). It's a very small thing, but that's where counterfeiters make their mistakes, on the small things.

I've returned with a follow-up to this post because I found some of the authentic booklets among my "stuff" and did a comparison.

FULL FRONT OF BOOKLETS:


LOWER RIGHT CORNER: