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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
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    Listing number:
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#37,156
kiyakaboom said:
Dear Authenticators,

Can you please authenticate the following bag?

www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-City-9790-Genuine-Leather-Flap-Vintage-Crossbody-Handbag-Made-In-USA/264307328675
Coach City 9790 Genuine Leather Flap Vintage Crossbody Handbag Made In USA
Seller information
jzreel584
eBay item number:
264307328675
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If this is authentic, can you tell me the name and year of the bag? I do know it isn't a city bag, it's smaller. Thank you
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It's a complete fake, the serial number is on our lists here at tPF of Fake Coach Serial Numbers and can also be easily found if you search for it with Google.

Here's just one of the posts here at tPF, which is why the Instructions in Post Number One of this thread state that anyone trying to authenticate a Coach product should search here at tPF first before doing an authenticity check or buying or selling a bag with that number:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/answers-to-authenticity-questions.94198/page-92
and the "last word" here
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/answers-to-authenticity-questions.94198/page-92#post-29180278
"M4N-4154
Update:
Enough evidence has been found to say that the above serial number is ALWAYS FAKE, no exceptions. Not only was the N plant in the US apparently opened only for a very brief time if it was ever opened here at all, but it had apparently closed by the end of 1994 No GENUINE Coach handbag has ever been found with that style number. And EVERY bag we've found that number in not only has serious production mistakes and date irregularities, but so far the creed seems to always have "SCRTCHES" misspelled."


and here's Google:
https://www.google.com/search?q=coach+m4n+4154&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

and here's the first part of the Daria48 Fake Numbers list posted at Ebay UK:
DARIA48 FAKE COACH NUMBERS LIST - EBAY UK SITE, PART 1

https://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/Fake-Coach-Serial-Numbers-NT-4903-and-more-/10000000002744619/g.html

"-4154, -9941, and -9956 are style numbers that have appeared in dozens if not hundreds of proven fakes, and Coaches with any of those numbers should always be assumed to be counterfeit. I've never seen any genuine bag with these style numbers."

Take a close look at the word "SCRTCHES" in the creed.
 
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#37,159
watermelon1955 said:
Could someone authenticate this for me please?
https://posh.mk/RZJKKUcVwW
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It's genuine. However we don't recommend buying from Poshmark because of their refusal to protect their members by removing proven fakes, and by their so-called "authenticators" actually removing GENUIINE bags that they claim are fake. Not only are their policies about counterfeits against their members' best interests, but whoever does their authenticating knows absolutely NOTHING about the differences between genuine and fake Coaches.
 
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#37,162
Hyacinth said:
Correct on all counts. It's fake. No genuine *9G- prefixes have ever been found in genuine Coaches..
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Thank you Hyacinth ! The listing is gone already. I wanted to save someone from rehabbing a Foach. No matter how cheap.
All I can think of is the recent post, asking if you ever worked for Coach, inferring that that was the way you could have acquired your knowledge base.
I don’t think there is any way to explain this knowledge base, the details to someone, Lol. You have to read this thread. To have a clue. It also helps to be hooked on vintage Coach!
ETA, I also think it takes a willingness to believe there are fakes out there that are really close copies. And that one can be duped by them.
 
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#37,163
Hyacinth said:
It's genuine. However we don't recommend buying from Poshmark because of their refusal to protect their members by removing proven fakes, and by their so-called "authenticators" actually removing GENUIINE bags that they claim are fake. Not only are their policies about counterfeits against their members' best interests, but whoever does their authenticating knows absolutely NOTHING about the differences between genuine and fake Coaches.
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Thank you so much!! I appreciate your input and advice about Poshmark.
 
#37,164
Lake Effect said:
Thank you Hyacinth ! The listing is gone already. I wanted to save someone from rehabbing a Foach. No matter how cheap.
All I can think of is the recent post, asking if you ever worked for Coach, inferring that that was the way you could have acquired your knowledge base.
I don’t think there is any way to explain this knowledge base, the details to someone, Lol. You have to read this thread. To have a clue. It also helps to be hooked on vintage Coach!
ETA, I also think it takes a willingness to believe there are fakes out there that are really close copies. And that one can be duped by them.
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Actually, working for Coach is probably one of the worst ways to develop a solid usable history of fake vs. real Coaches, as I explained in the "Authenticity Guides - Facts and Myths" section of the Salearea Guides. Full time employees of most companies who also might have other interests and responsibilities (such as a family, or a life outside their job) normally don't have a lot of spare time to put together the kind of information needed to see and organise the details needed for a solid database. Some do, thank the Valar, but if helps to have spare time, good organisational skills, and a computer with a lot of available storage. And it doesn't hurt to be retired and have some spare time.

Back when I started doing this around the early 2000 decade, a surprising number of people, even the ones posting fairly regularly at the now-extinct Ebay Shoes and Purses Board, DIDN'T believe that older Coaches were faked. Most if not didn't know that Coach had never made handbags in Korea, or that serial numbers had a legitimate use in helping to recognise fakes. And many of them never questioned the nonsense in most Authenticity Guides about things like the YKK Zipper Myth or tried to do the actual research to determine if it was fact or fiction. Most if not all Coach EMPLOYEES didn't know how to analyze a serial number, or that items made strictly for the Factory Stores wouldn't be listed on the computer system used by the FP stores. A mental guesstimate of the accuracy of all the posts I read about posters who had asked a Coach Store employee to authenticate a bag and where we had good photos of the bag, indicated the the store employees were wrong about 80 percent of the time.
 
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#37,165
Hyacinth said:
Actually, working for Coach is probably one of the worst ways to develop a solid usable history of fake vs. real Coaches, as I explained in the "Authenticity Guides - Facts and Myths" section of the Salearea Guides. Full time employees of most companies who also might have other interests and responsibilities (such as a family, or a life outside their job) normally don't have a lot of spare time to put together the kind of information needed to see and organise the details needed for a solid database. Some do, thank the Valar, but if helps to have spare time, good organisational skills, and a computer with a lot of available storage. And it doesn't hurt to be retired and have some spare time.

Back when I started doing this around the early 2000 decade, a surprising number of people, even the ones posting fairly regularly at the now-extinct Ebay Shoes and Purses Board, DIDN'T believe that older Coaches were faked. Most if not didn't know that Coach had never made handbags in Korea, or that serial numbers had a legitimate use in helping to recognise fakes. And many of them never questioned the nonsense in most Authenticity Guides about things like the YKK Zipper Myth or tried to do the actual research to determine if it was fact or fiction. Most if not all Coach EMPLOYEES didn't know how to analyze a serial number, or that items made strictly for the Factory Stores wouldn't be listed on the computer system used by the FP stores. A mental guesstimate of the accuracy of all the posts I read about posters who had asked a Coach Store employee to authenticate a bag and where we had good photos of the bag, indicated the the store employees were wrong about 80 percent of the time.
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While stopping in a retail store over the past year, I have had several Coach sales people, 20 somethings , ask to see the interior of the vintage bag I was carrying that day, as they know of vintage and the archives, and that there are fakes, but that is the extent of their knowledge.
ETA,I would still maintain that in addition to time, good organizational skills, there is a passion for the product and the willingness to pass on the info. When someone asks me about a vintage bag, and I ramble on about the leather or the history or the Creeds or the style or products, yadda yadda, and they look at me and say, where did you learn all this, I end up talking about the Authenticators here :biggrin:
 
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#37,166
Item: Coach 1941 Saddle bag 23 Oxblood
Listing number: 133035997241
Seller: csmith0406
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-1941...hed-Glovetanned-Leather-Oxblood-/133035997241
Comments: Hi will you please authenticate this bag? I am actually the seller - I bought the bag online carried it once or twice and didn’t like it so sold it on eBay. The buyer is questioning the authenticity and now I am worried I mixed up my brand new bags with an eBay purchase and accidentally sold a counterfeit bag. I don’t see how but if someone could put my mind to rest I would appreciate it greatly. I included pics from the buyer showing a compare with her coach bag. IMG_1930.jpgIMG_1931.jpgIMG_1932.jpgIMG_1933.jpgIMG_1934.jpg
 
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