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  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
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There wouldn't be any problem with silver hardware on a bag made in 2005. What worries me is the wording on the creed patch, but so far I can't find another all-leather bag made in the same plant, month and year for comparison. I wouldn't recommend buying it but I can't prove if it's fake or genuine.
Thank you! I will be steering clear.
 
This poor bag looks kind of beat to hell. I've asked the seller some questions about the turn lock, the strap (seems to be in the bag but not sure if it is intact), and if there is a serial number under the creed. Is this a Plaza or something else? Thank you.

Item:
Vintage Coach Dark Blue Leather Purse

Listing number:
Seller: GoodWill Online
Link: https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/66062591
Comments:

There's no serial number or if there is one it's unreadable, and that's not the kind of top handle a Plaza Bag has. It's also a Bean Bag creed and a good percentage of those are fakes. The only thing that's actually accurate is the creed and it's scary how close that one is to the real one. Makes me wonder if that original Coach creed stamp ended up in some counterfeiting plant.

The strap wasn't made by Coach either and the zipper pull on the inside pocket is wrong. I really hope you didn't buy that POS.
If you enlarge the picture of the creed, it looks like someone either tried to remove the serial number or they photoshopped it to make it illegible. (Notice the blurriness)

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I did not buy. I am learning, lol.

I have a question about the bean bag creed was it on like bean bag chairs or purses? I saw one in a bag at a Goodwill and left it because it didn't make sense to me.

It was originally made as a very heavy keychain/paperweight. (BTW, I never would recommend using this on for your car keys. The weight would ruin the ignition:
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I’m interested in this Coach Station but have never seen one with nickel hardware. Is this authentic?

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/65697944

There wouldn't be any problem with silver hardware on a bag made in 2005. What worries me is the wording on the creed patch, but so far I can't find another all-leather bag made in the same plant, month and year for comparison. The stamping also looks a bit "off". I wouldn't recommend buying it but I can't prove if it's fake or genuine.
While I see differences, I think it's with the way the image was uploaded so it appears to be more squished. (I've seen distorted images in the past but I'm not sure how or why it happens.)

Perhaps you can request another picture of the creed from Goodwill.

I think the station bag is probably okay.
Here's a comparison. (The Willis was my own bag.):
E05Q-5130 Goodwill station vs C05Q-9927 Willis.png
 
Item: SPECIAL-EDITION! Coach 1941 X Disney Minnie Varsity Jacket size 0, 2, 4, 6
Listing number: 202643198888
Seller: johringe_0
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SPECIAL-ED...198888?hash=item2f2e79d3a8:g:QH0AAOSw6fBcbD5g
Comments: Its weird how the creed (is that what it's called) is the Dark Fairy tale one but this was part of the Minnie capsule collection last year. Also the serial number is all zeros? odd. Otherwise it looks legit.
That bag can't be authenticated with a 00000-00000 serial number.

With that said, I am not at all comfortable with a seller without a proven history of selling authentic designer items and the items for which she has feedback are private listings. The ID is a pattern of the type of ID used by scammers and the pictures don't appear to be the seller's own.

Hit the "back" button on that one!
 
If you enlarge the picture of the creed, it looks like someone either tried to remove the serial number or they photoshopped it to make it illegible. (Notice the blurriness)

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Yep, Cynical Me is wondering if that creed photo was "borrowed" from some other listing, and the serial number obliterated so the eventual buyer wouldn't see that it didn't match the bag they received. That stamp in just TOO accurate, if I'd seen it on its own I would have assumed the bag was genuine.

Top thumbnail is the one from the Goodwill fake, the second and third are genuine. All the tiny details are the same including the hyphen in "full-grain" that's much closer to the "g" than the "l" on the other side of the hyphen.

Bea Bag Creed pic used in FAKE Goodwill Plaza Bag listing-a.jpg Bean Bag creed_Carrier Brief-c.jpg Bean Bag_NOT-fake-Companion Bag-9300-sm-b.jpg
 
While I see differences, I think it's with the way the image was uploaded so it appears to be more squished. (I've seen distorted images in the past but I'm not sure how or why it happens.)

Perhaps you can request another picture of the creed from Goodwill.

I think the station bag is probably okay.
Here's a comparison. (The Willis was my own bag.):
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Thanks!
 
Item: SPECIAL-EDITION! Coach 1941 X Disney Minnie Varsity Jacket size 0, 2, 4, 6
Listing number: 202643198888
Seller: johringe_0
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SPECIAL-ED...198888?hash=item2f2e79d3a8:g:QH0AAOSw6fBcbD5g
Comments: Its weird how the creed (is that what it's called) is the Dark Fairy tale one but this was part of the Minnie capsule collection last year. Also the serial number is all zeros? odd. Otherwise it looks legit.

That bag can't be authenticated with a 00000-00000 serial number.

With that said, I am not at all comfortable with a seller without a proven history of selling authentic designer items and the items for which she has feedback are private listings. The ID is a pattern of the type of ID used by scammers and the pictures don't appear to be the seller's own.

Hit the "back" button on that one!
I'm convinced that the jacket is fake. The price tag shows "made in Korea" yet the tag inside the jacket shows "made in China."

There's no way an authentic item would have contradictory country of origin info.

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Note that this seller has at least 3 other IDs, all from New York, NY and all selling the same types of items.
 
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Item: SPECIAL-EDITION! Coach 1941 X Disney Minnie Varsity Jacket size 0, 2, 4, 6
Listing number: 202643198888
Seller: johringe_0
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SPECIAL-ED...198888?hash=item2f2e79d3a8:g:QH0AAOSw6fBcbD5g
Comments: Its weird how the creed (is that what it's called) is the Dark Fairy tale one but this was part of the Minnie capsule collection last year. Also the serial number is all zeros? odd. Otherwise it looks legit.

That bag can't be authenticated with a 00000-00000 serial number.

With that said, I am not at all comfortable with a seller without a proven history of selling authentic designer items and the items for which she has feedback are private listings. The ID is a pattern of the type of ID used by scammers and the pictures don't appear to be the seller's own.

Hit the "back" button on that one!

The creed patch says it's a GARMENT, and then tells the owner to "CARRY it happiliy ever after". What's the point of CARRYING a garment???

And there's just no way that Minnie Mouse would be part of the Dark Fairy Tale Collection! :amazed:


DO NOT BUY FROM SELLER " johringe_0 "
 
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And there's just no way that Minnie Mouse would be part of the Dark Fairy Tale Collection! :amazed:
That seller and her aliases are not recommended!

1. johringe_0 (21)
2. stu_1rj1h7 (29)
3. joankey36 (18)
4. joannara1 (39)

ETA: And there's a naru ID:
5. vincent1roya ( 19
6. bever_rud ( 45
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Were you the winning bidder? Why would she cancel your purchase for $51 and relist and sell for $45? That makes no sense and it's certainly not ethical.

Did you pay for the item before she canceled? If so, you can leave feedback. (In fact, if you're the winner and she canceled, you might try leaving feedback anyway.

If that's the case, I don't recommend doing business with shes*got*sole .

This is going to be a bit long, but in the interests of fairness, I'll tell you the full story.

Here’s what happened.

I could be in the wrong. I only started using eBay last year, and have bought under 10 items, so I’m not the most seasoned buyer. It’s been very positive so far!

(I did get one bag that was counterfeit, and one bag that didn't really look like the listing photos, but I've never complained or anything like that. The counterfeit item was refunded graciously by the seller.)

For every purchase I’ve made in the past, I’ve gotten all the info in advance of the purchase or bid, and the sellers I've interacted with have been so nice.

I reached out to this seller in advance of the auction with initial questions about overall condition, nothing detailed. The seller responded a couple of days later with the info. The seller's message explained that the seller works two jobs, and that’s why the response was delayed.

I remembered whateve’s signature, and figured maybe some details might help with authentication. I also wanted to make sure there wasn't anything very wrong, like if the strap had been shortened.

However, I felt bad for the seller working two jobs.

I figured that if I asked more information from the seller, and didn't win the auction, I would be wasting the seller's time, which would be very limited for someone working two jobs.

I debated about whether to ask before or after the action (and Googled to get a sense of what's typical and what's best for sellers).

So I figured I'd wait and see if I won the auction. Then the seller likely wouldn't mind just providing some info (especially since this is a seller that even accepts returns). I was very committed to the purchase, and excited about it. As long as it was even approximately, sort of as described.

So I won the auction, and immediately sent a follow-up message. I explained that I thought waiting was the most considerate option. I was admittedly being detailed by requesting some close-ups of things. I figured that since the seller is ok with returns, this would be way more convenient for them compared with that. In my mind, they'd send some close-ups, I'd see everything is good to go, I'd pay and receive the bag, and the seller would have a positive selling experience.

In their reply, the seller was clearly very annoyed. The message said that they're not a new seller, and sold 5,000 bags in the past on eBay, using a different account. The seller said that if I didn't want the item, they would cancel.

Before I replied, the seller cancelled.

The reason provided was that there was an issue with my shipping address. I live in Canada, which the seller already knew; I mentioned it in advance of the auction. The cancellation was due to the questions I asked, but the reason provided was address.

I understand that a seller could become nervous if they think that someone could be a problematic buyer.

Though the fact that the seller said they're using a different account after such a long run on eBay, and that the seller reacted so strongly, seems a little bit odd?

Anyways, as I say, I'm pretty new to eBay. I'll try to learn from this. (And any advice is warmly welcomed!)
 
Item: SPECIAL-EDITION! Coach 1941 X Disney Minnie Varsity Jacket size 0, 2, 4, 6
Listing number: 202643198888
Seller: johringe_0
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/SPECIAL-ED...198888?hash=item2f2e79d3a8:g:QH0AAOSw6fBcbD5g
Comments: Its weird how the creed (is that what it's called) is the Dark Fairy tale one but this was part of the Minnie capsule collection last year. Also the serial number is all zeros? odd. Otherwise it looks legit.

That bag can't be authenticated with a 00000-00000 serial number.

With that said, I am not at all comfortable with a seller without a proven history of selling authentic designer items and the items for which she has feedback are private listings. The ID is a pattern of the type of ID used by scammers and the pictures don't appear to be the seller's own.

Hit the "back" button on that one!

I'm convinced that the jacket is fake. The price tag shows "made in Korea" yet the tag inside the jacket shows "made in China."

There's no way an authentic item would have contradictory country of origin info.

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Note that this seller has at least 3 other IDs, all from New York, NY and all selling the same types of items.

The creed patch says it's a GARMENT, and then tells the owner to "CARRY it happiliy ever after". What's the point of CARRYING a garment???

And there's just no way that Minnie Mouse would be part of the Dark Fairy Tale Collection! :amazed:


DO NOT BUY FROM SELLER " johringe_0 "

That seller and her aliases are not recommended!

1. johringe_0 (21)
2. stu_1rj1h7 (29)
3. joankey36 (18)
4. joannara1 (39)

ETA: And there's a naru ID:
5. vincent1roya ( 19
6. bever_rud ( 45
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UPDATE:
Now that it's been removed, watch for the fake Disney jacket to be listed by one or more of another seller, part of the same scamming ring.

Beware of low feedback sellers from NY, NY with:
  • private listings
  • feedback built by leaving feedback for each other
  • stock/stolen pictures
  • Aside from seller feedback from each other, other feedbacks each ID has are all from Chinese sellers.
In addition to the 6 IDs named above that mentioned earlier, I found 12 additional active sellers!
 
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