Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi, would someone be able to take a look at these? Thanks so much

Item: coach Plaza
Listing number: 254126047969
Seller: olivermax
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Brown-Leather-Court-Handbag/254126047969?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Comments: Looks as if the strap is not the original on this one because the hardware appears silver and the stitching and underside aren't quite right either.

Item: coach court
Listing number: 292953106016
Seller: wcsc258
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Court-Brown-Leather-Shoulder-or-Handbag-C8I-9870/292953106016?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160908105057&meid=79c463809b8f43f89f9570fd5fc4959a&pid=100675&rk=2&rkt=15&sd=113604400227&itm=292953106016&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci:93659db5-3255-11e9-8ab7-74dbd1804854|parentrq:f9205aed1680aa13221faa47ffeabab7|iid:1
Comments: Would you say this color is British tan or something else like tabac?

The Plaza Bag is genuine from around 1990-91, the strap is a non-Coach replacement.

The Court Bag is ok, from 1998. I believe British Tan was the only tan shade available that year. Tabac was discontinued some time around 1992.

 

[quieteyes]

The Plaza Bag is genuine from around 1990-91, the strap is a non-Coach replacement.

The Court Bag is ok, from 1998. I believe British Tan was the only tan shade available that year.

Thanks so much Hyacinth!

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi, could someone please take a look at this? Thanks!

Seller: unique_finds_2008
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-...awstring-Shoulderbag-Bucket-9804/112753220622

I'm not at all comfortable with the serial number font. Here's the Ebay creed


ETA - I found exactly the same serial and font back in 2015 from a questionable Goodwill listing, it may even be the same bag. Note the vertical line after the last number indicating a 1-piece non-changeable stamp was used, not Coach's rotating digit stamp:


Here's a genuine B plant stamp from a few months earlier, compare the shape of the 9s, especially the curl on the bases:


Here are thumbnails of the Ebay bag, note the ends of the drawstring ties:


And here's style 9804 from the Holiday Preview 1997 catalog:

 

[Catbird9]

I'm not at all comfortable with the serial number font.

Neither am I, and the spacing doesn't look right to me either.

 

[Hyacinth]

Neither am I, and the spacing doesn't look right to me either.

I just added 2 more pics - check out the drawstring.

Here's a better photo of a genuine one with the genuine drawstring. While it's remotely possible the the ends of the drawstring on the fake were cut off (which doesn't make any sense unless someone wanted to remove it completely for some reason), the leather slider piece on the drawstring is badly sewn :


The problem with the serial font is more than enough to say Fake

 

[Catbird9]

I just added 2 more pics - check out the drawstring.

Here's a better photo of a genuine one with the genuine drawstring. While it's remotely possible the the ends of the drawstring on the fake were cut off (which doesn't make any sense unless someone wanted to remove it completely for some reason), the leather slider piece on the drawstring is badly sewn :
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Thanks for the additional pics, confirming it's a fake. I Googled "vintage Coach 9804" and found two fakes on Poshmark (sold), and both of them had incorrect or missing drawstring ends.

 

[Hyacinth]

Thanks for the additional pics, confirming it's a fake. I Googled "vintage Coach 9804" and found two fakes on Poshmark (sold), and both of them had incorrect or missing drawstring ends.

I found one of the Poshmark fakes - not only does it have a fake serial number prefix with TWO invalid production codes, but the tips of the drawstring are barely sewn on, no wonder they come off so easily
https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-9804-Black-Leather-Bucket-Drawstring-Bag-5a6c83425521bea95a9eb69d

And even more interesting is that there's another one from a seller that was mentioned here last week about a different fake Coach - VINTAGECOACHBAGS dot COM .Their listing says the serial number is 4S7-9804 and the endcaps of THAT bag's drawstring are NOT sewn the way Coach sews them and neither is the seam on the drawstring. There's no photo of the creed or serial number but since that's the 4th or 5th fake of that style we've come across in the last 10 days the red flags are getting much easier to spot. The seller claims the bag was made in April 1990 and while the "April" part is right, I don't have ANY idea how they got the claimed production year 1990 out of either "S" or "7", the other two digits they claim are in the serial prefix, especially since the style wasn't even introduced until Fall of 1997.

here's the fake on their website:
http://vintagecoachbags.com/index.php/product/thompson-drawstring/
They also had a fake keychain back in 2017 according to a tPF search

and here's the post where they listed a different fake at Ebay that was pointed out in the Coach Hall Of Shame on Feb 9, 2019 with a known fake prefix "D6J-": when found in handbags
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...oach-fakes-here.824098/page-391#post-32898764
and my comments about THAT fake:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...oach-fakes-here.824098/page-391#post-32905051

If they actually do have someone authenticating their "Coaches", that person doesn't know the first thing about Coach serial numbers or creed history.They also have an "authenticity guide" on their company website that's wall-to-wall mistakes. And based on the other fakes of that style we've seen, it should have a creed statement that wasn't even introduced by Coach until 1994 (mentioned in the "guide" on their website), so how can they claim the bag was made in 1990? Guess they don't read their own "guide", which is probably a smart decision.

I STRONGLY recommend that any Coach item listed by either of those seller IDs be authenticated here before any purchase decision is made.

 

[BeenBurned]

I found one of the Poshmark fakes - not only does it have a fake serial number prefix with TWO invalid production codes, but the tips of the drawstring are barely sewn on, no wonder they come off so easily
https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-9804-Black-Leather-Bucket-Drawstring-Bag-5a6c83425521bea95a9eb69d

And even more interesting is that there's another one from a seller that was mentioned here last week about a different fake Coach - VINTAGECOACHBAGS dot COM. Their listing says the serial number is 4S7-9804 and the endcaps of THAT bag's drawstring are NOT sewn the way Coach sews them and neither is the seam on the drawstring. There's no photo of the creed or serial number but since that's the 4th or 5th fake of that style we've come across in the last 10 days the red flags are getting much easier to spot. The seller claims the bag was made in April 1990 and while the "April" part is right, I don't have ANY idea how they got the claimed production year 1990 out of either "S" or "7", the other two digits they claim are in the serial prefix, especially since the style wasn't even introduced until Fall of 1997.

here's the fake on their website:
http://vintagecoachbags.com/index.php/product/thompson-drawstring/
They also had a fake keychain back in 2017 according to a tPF search

and here's the post where they listed a different fake at Ebay that was pointed out in the Coach Hall Of Shame on Feb 9, 2019 with a known fake prefix "D6J-": when found in handbags
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...oach-fakes-here.824098/page-391#post-32898764
and my comments about THAT fake:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...oach-fakes-here.824098/page-391#post-32905051

If they actually do have someone authenticating their "Coaches", that person doesn't know the first thing about Coach serial numbers or creed history.They also have an "authenticity guide" on their company website that's wall-to-wall mistakes. And based on the other fakes of that style we've seen, it should have a creed statement that wasn't even introduced by Coach until 1994 (mentioned in the "guide" on their website), so how can they claim the bag was made in 1990? Guess they don't read their own "guide", which is probably a smart decision.

I STRONGLY recommend that any Coach item listed by either of those seller IDs be authenticated here before any purchase decision is made.

You'd think that a company that sells as much Coach as vintagecoachbags does would (at the very least) know that they need to SHOW creeds and that they (at the next very least) know how to interpret serial numbers. They do NOT understand what the year codes mean because they get it wrong in every case!
This bag is described as having been made in 1991 that (assuming it's authentic) would actually have been made in 2001.
This bag is described as having been made in 1990 (with 2 different serial numbers listed) when it would have been made in 2000 (assuming authentic).

 

[Catbird9]

I found one of the Poshmark fakes - not only does it have a fake serial number prefix with TWO invalid production codes, but the tips of the drawstring are barely sewn on, no wonder they come off so easily
https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-9804-Black-Leather-Bucket-Drawstring-Bag-5a6c83425521bea95a9eb69d

And even more interesting is that there's another one from a seller that was mentioned here last week about a different fake Coach - VINTAGECOACHBAGS dot COM - they sell under the name. Their listing says the serial number is 4S7-9804 and the endcaps of THAT bag's drawstring are NOT sewn the way Coach sews them and neither is the seam on the drawstring. There's no photo of the creed or serial number but since that's the 4th or 5th fake of that style we've come across in the last 10 days the red flags are getting much easier to spot. The seller claims the bag was made in April 1990 and while the "April" part is right, I don't have ANY idea how they got the claimed production year 1990 out of either "S" or "7", the other two digits they claim are in the serial prefix, especially since the style wasn't even introduced until Fall of 1997.

here's the fake on their website:
http://vintagecoachbags.com/index.php/product/thompson-drawstring/
They also had a fake keychain back in 2017 according to a tPF search

and here's the post where they listed a different fake at Ebay that was pointed out in the Coach Hall Of Shame on Feb 9, 2019 with a known fake prefix "D6J-": when found in handbags
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...oach-fakes-here.824098/page-391#post-32898764
and my comments about THAT fake:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...oach-fakes-here.824098/page-391#post-32905051

If they actually do have someone authenticating their "Coaches", that person doesn't know the first thing about Coach serial numbers or creed history.They also have an "authenticity guide" on their company website that's wall-to-wall mistakes. And based on the other fakes of that style we've seen, it should have a creed statement that wasn't even introduced by Coach until 1994 (mentioned in the "guide" on their website), so how can they claim the bag was made in 1990? Guess they don't read their own "guide", which is probably a smart decision.

I STRONGLY recommend that any Coach item listed by either of those seller IDs be authenticated here before any purchase decision is made.

Thanks again Hyacinth!

In addition to the Poshmark fake you posted, here are two more. Both have that problem with the drawstring ends too:

https://poshmark.com/listing/Vintage-Drawstring-Coach-5bf19cc045c8b3ff103f06d8



and

https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-Vintage-Navy-Leather-Bucket-Bag-Purse-5bb58970baebf6b0dda5da8e



ETA: in the last 24 hours I've seen more fakes of this style than genuine ones!

 

[BeenBurned]

Note that the sellers to whom @Hyacinth referred are 2 different sellers but both of whom should be avoided.

Vintagecoachbags (the website) is a different seller (and non-expert) who sells on ebay as
crystalcatcloset and is the other seller to be cautious of.

 

[Hyacinth]

You'd think that a company that sells as much Coach as vintagecoachbags does would (at the very least) know that they need to SHOW creeds and that they (at the next very least) know how to interpret serial numbers. They do NOT understand what the year codes mean because they get it wrong in every case!
This bag is described as having been made in 1991 that (assuming it's authentic) would actually have been made in 2001.
This bag is described as having been made in 1990 (with 2 different serial numbers listed) when it would have been made in 2000 (assuming authentic).

Exactly! And since they refuse to let us quote from their on-site "authenticity guide" and since I'm certainly NOT going to give it any easy publicity by posting a link to something that's so overpoweringly inaccurate (click on the dropdown menu - 3 short heavy horizontal lines - on the upper left hand corner of their website pages) where they've either Copied & Pasted or Copied & Reworded a soupcon of mostly accurate info from somewhere else, I'll just state the basics. Their OWN GUIDE says that style numbers and letters of the alphabet were added to the serial numbers STARTING IN 1994, so how the bleedin' he!! can bags with serials that include both letters and style numbers be made in 1990 or 1991 ??? When they actually have a few lines of accurate information in their guide, they ignore it!

And if a Coach has a creed and serial number that can be photographed, there's no reason for any seller to not show a clear readable photo unless they're not interested in proving to potential buyers that it's authentic. I have no respect for sellers who show so little respect for their cutomers.

 

[Hyacinth]

Note that the sellers to whom @Hyacinth referred are 2 different sellers but both of whom should be avoided.

As seen on the Hall of Shame thread, quoted an "authenticity guide" as her expert source.

Vintagecoachbags (the website) is a different seller (and non-expert) who sells on ebay as
crystalcatcloset and is the other seller to be cautious of.

My mistake, sorry to have caused any confusion. But any seller who recommends any type of "guide" as a sourse of accurate information had better be absolutely sure that it IS accurate. Otherwise I feel that they're complicit in any damage that the inaccurate info is responsible for.

 

[Hyacinth]

Thanks again Hyacinth!

In addition to the Poshmark fake you posted, here are two more. Both have that problem with the drawstring ends too:

https://poshmark.com/listing/Vintage-Drawstring-Coach-5bf19cc045c8b3ff103f06d8

View attachment 4344277

and

https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-Vintage-Navy-Leather-Bucket-Bag-Purse-5bb58970baebf6b0dda5da8e

View attachment 4344278

ETA: in the last 24 hours I've seen more fakes of this style than genuine ones!

Thanks, more photos for my collection!

ETA - just an observation - the genuine examples of that 9804 Equestrian (not Thompson!) Drawstring seem to be mostly, if not all, from the D plant, with H7D- prefixes.

EATA - I gotta get me some coffee...

 

[Hyacinth]

nm

 

[JE_FR]

Dear forum members,

I am new here, so if I am posting this in the wrong place, I apologise.

I have a question regarding a coach leather jacket for men. The Bleecker leather jacket. It's been out of stock for a few years but I was able to get my hands on 2 of them, one in a dark mahogany kind of brown and the other one in a lighter fawn brown. One of them was a gift and the other one I got on eBay recently. I do have a little suspicion about the eBay one, though. Even though the original price tag seems to be authentic and the condition pristine, the leather just does not feel the same way as the darker brown color I received as a gift. The fawn coloured jacket that I purchased on eBay feels less finished and less smooth. It also looks less 'shiny', if you will, slightly more matte. Also, the inside lining of the product seems different than the darker brown jacket. Online I also saw fawn coloured jackets with the same lining as my darker brown one, which made me question myself even more.

I have taken a few pictures of both jackets, inside and outside, and I was hoping that maybe one of you could shed a little light on the matter.

All the best,

Jonathan