Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
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• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[Hyacinth]

The second bag you mentioned with the H9C creed is obviously fake. I think the first one might be okay. Although we've seen creeds with the extra dash for the D plant in the early 2000s, they might have had more than one stamping device. I believe we've seen authentic creeds from that time period without the dash. These might be okay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Bla...447?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item418d01e74f
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-purse-C2D-9849-/251749641858?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3a9d72ae82
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Berke...677?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item259c7cb1fd

The D plant used at least 2 different serial stamps in 2000. The first six months or so they were using the original one that had been used since 1994 and the newer replacement along with a new creed stamp with a wider font, then they switched MOSTLY to the newer serial stamp with the longer underscore line under the "No". And THEN to the even newer longer creed stamp, or at least that's what I'm seeing from the various photos. So 2000 bags from the D plant and even some newer D plant bags can have more than one creed and serial combo. I've seen 2002 stamps with both old and newer serial stamps, there's no one "correct" stamp for those years.

The extra or traveling dashes seemed to be mostly on the newer serial stampings.

 

[Hyacinth]

Thank you so much Hyacinth. I am not searching correctly but will keep working on it because I really hate to make you have to repeat yourself! Apologies.
I did not think the first one was legitimate for some of the reasons you mentioned (is that even a color from then?) and will report it.

I was hoping you would know the name of the 2nd one! I just have Tribeca x? for 9098 but I couldn't even tell if that bag is 9098 or 9099.

I really appreciate it! Thank you very much.

9098 is a Tribeca Shopper. I don't have anything in my files for 9099, it may have even been an outlet style.

 

[Hyacinth]

Since squeezybug 's listings are being discussed, I'm curious about another sold listing she had.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-9715-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

squeezybug creed:

In comparing her creed to a couple of others, there are differences.

This one is same month and plant but a year earlier. Note the hyphen between No. and the prefix:

And this one is from a month earlier than squeezybug's bag, but the same year and factory, also with the hyphen:

Is squeezybug's listing authentic?


And another lot listing she sold:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Lot-o...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Compare squeezybug's H9C creed:

To this one from a Bonz listing:

All the photos in your post are probably OK except the H9C-9059 bag. Here are 2 fakes with the same font. The Coach name in the lozenge itself above the creed is slightly crooked, the Coach name is too small, and there are problems with the creeds - they're using several different fonts including the squished "united states" one. The underscore in "No" is also too long.

 

[BeenBurned]

All the photos in your post are probably OK except the H9C-9059 bag. Here are 2 fakes with the same font. The Coach name in the lozenge itself above the creed is slightly crooked, the Coach name is too small, and there are problems with the creeds - they're using several different fonts including the squished "united states" one. The underscore in "No" is also too long.

Thanks. The H9C listing was removed. Hopefully the buyer will try to get a refund.

 

[Two.time.bags]

Yep, a lot of problems with that one - tassels sound like a good idea.

Is the hang tag fake too?

 

[lizwinn]

Newbie here: I didn't realize there were so many fakes out there. Would you please have a look at these purchases? TIA

https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256878894

https://www.etsy.com/transaction/257493935

https://www.etsy.com/transaction/257493936

https://www.etsy.com/transaction/257493937

https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256872477

https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256878882

https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256899587

https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256945979

https://www.etsy.com/transaction/257361500

 

[Hyacinth]

Newbie here: I didn't realize there were so many fakes out there. Would you please have a look at these purchases? TIA

1- https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256878894

2- https://www.etsy.com/transaction/257493935

3- https://www.etsy.com/transaction/257493936

4- https://www.etsy.com/transaction/257493937

5- https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256872477

6- https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256878882

7- https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256899587

8- https://www.etsy.com/transaction/256945979

9- https://www.etsy.com/transaction/257361500

In the future, please try not to ask for more than 5 authentications at one time.

Post number One in this thread explains how authentication requests should be posted and formatted. And it helps if you number the individual listings.

1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 - genuine

3, genuine but not made during the Cashin era

8- probably genuine but a better creed photo would help. Date-coded for 2000 so technically not "vintage"

 

[lizwinn]

Thank you so much! Sorry there were so many. I appreciate you and this forum-such a great group and so much to teach us newbies.

 

[Hyacinth]

Is the hang tag fake too?

It's almost impossible to tell. Hangtags are too easy to fake or to switch so I don't pay much attention to them and don't save photos of them.

More opinions are welcome.

 

[frenchieRU]

Hope everybody had a good Christmas Apparently Santa thought I was extra good this year and I got a brand new Coach bag! (With the tags on it and a dust bag!) I'm pretty sure it's an authentic leather legacy duffle (I'm pretty sure I saw it recently on the factory website) but my bigger question is what is with the E on the end of the serial?
Pictures
Thanks!

 

[whateve]

Hope everybody had a good Christmas Apparently Santa thought I was extra good this year and I got a brand new Coach bag! (With the tags on it and a dust bag!) I'm pretty sure it's an authentic leather legacy duffle (I'm pretty sure I saw it recently on the factory website) but my bigger question is what is with the E on the end of the serial?
Pictures
Thanks!

Lucky you!
We don't know for sure but one theory is that the E stands for extra. We've seen it in full price styles that were made later than the original style, as if they had extra materials lying around and decided to do another production run. This color duffle was sold recently on FOS (Coach's factory online sale) and possibly in outlets, maybe even in department stores. I bought a bag with an E in the creed from the outlet once, probably a year or more after the original style had been in the stores.

I suggest that you condition the corners as they tend to show wear easily and I think conditioner might prevent this.

 

[JOODLZ]

Is the hang tag fake too?

It's almost impossible to tell. Hangtags are too easy to fake or to switch so I don't pay much attention to them and don't save photos of them.

More opinions are welcome.

I suspect it is fake as well...I have an absolutely authentic one I acquired from Jax a few months ago sitting on my desk. After the sun comes up, I'll shoot a side-by-side comparison shot and post it. I suppose there's no real way to tell

 

[Hyacinth]

I suspect it is fake as well...I have an absolutely authentic one I acquired from Jax a few months ago sitting on my desk. After the sun comes up, I'll shoot a side-by-side comparison shot and post it. I suppose there's no real way to tell

The one in the photo is an older style, or a copy of an older style, so comparing it to recently-made hangtags won't prove anything. Hangtag details have changed as often as creed and serial number details have changed, especially during the last 15 or 20 years.

Unless a hangtag has a unique design, texture or color combination that matches a specific purse, there's no way to tell if it actually CAME with that purse unless it was bought right from Coach and still in the wrappings. Employees even swap hangtags in the stores and outlets so unless there's an obvious mistake, hangtag authenticity especially on a pre-owned bag is always a crapshoot.

 

[BeenBurned]

Hope everybody had a good Christmas Apparently Santa thought I was extra good this year and I got a brand new Coach bag! (With the tags on it and a dust bag!) I'm pretty sure it's an authentic leather legacy duffle (I'm pretty sure I saw it recently on the factory website) but my bigger question is what is with the E on the end of the serial?
Pictures
Thanks!

Lucky you!
We don't know for sure but one theory is that the E stands for extra. We've seen it in full price styles that were made later than the original style, as if they had extra materials lying around and decided to do another production run. This color duffle was sold recently on FOS (Coach's factory online sale) and possibly in outlets, maybe even in department stores. I bought a bag with an E in the creed from the outlet once, probably a year or more after the original style had been in the stores.

I suggest that you condition the corners as they tend to show wear easily and I think conditioner might prevent this.

The bag is absolutely authentic and lovely! Enjoy!

I hadn't heard the "extra" theory but it does make sense.

Although any information we have collected over the years hasn't come from Coach since they don't disclose the translation of their coding. It has been from following the patterns we've seen when watching and studying their items.

Because we don't even have Dillard's where I live and while I'm not sure of how accurate this info is, I've assumed the "E bags were Dillard's exclusives. But again, it's theory on my part.

 

[JOODLZ]

The one in the photo is an older style, or a copy of an older style, so comparing it to recently-made hangtags won't prove anything. Hangtag details have changed as often as creed and serial number details have changed, especially during the last 15 or 20 years.

Unless a hangtag has a unique design, texture or color combination that matches a specific purse, there's no way to tell if it actually CAME with that purse unless it was bought right from Coach and still in the wrappings. Employees even swap hangtags in the stores and outlets so unless there's an obvious mistake, hangtag authenticity especially on a pre-owned bag is always a crapshoot.

Another lesson on Coach's inconsistencies...the hangtag on the left is from the J8Y bag. The next 2 came from Jax in May of this year. The 2 on the right were collected a year ago from Coach Outlets between Florida and Virginia by my daughter. Crapshoot it is!