Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[llviolet]

Could you please help me with this Rogue 17? The seller has very limited reviews. Thank you all so much in advance!
Item: Brand New with tag Authentic Coach 1941 Rogue 17 Vermillion
Seller: wantisdeals
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-...002693?hash=item1a54cf0385:g:L4QAAOSwW8RbHO0z
Photos:

 

[Hyacinth]

Thank you so much! I’ve Never seen those stampers...makes sense now!

This is a photo from a 1987 catalog of one of the actual machines that stamped the numbers. The creed and serial numbers were stamped separately. I believe that first all the leather panels that made up the top layer of the inside pocket got the creed stamp, then the individual numbers were stamped just before the pockets were completed and sewn into the bags.

The photo also gives an idea of why creeds that are stamped too far down on the pocket might be a red flag. Creeds were usually much closer to the top edge of the pocket than to the bottom edge.

 

[Texas KP]

This is a photo from a 1987 catalog of one of the actual machines that stamped the numbers. The creed and serial numbers were stamped separately. I believe that first all the leather panels that made up the top layer of the inside pocket got the creed stamp, then the individual numbers were stamped just before the pockets were completed and sewn into the bags.

The photo also gives an idea of why creeds that are stamped too far down on the pocket might be a red flag. Creeds were usually much closer to the top edge of the pocket than to the bottom edge.

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Oh WOW!! What a piece of equipment...and SO helpful to understand those Creeds. Thank you for this...another little piece for my education. As always I am in awe of your expertise!

 

[brittkilluh]

This item is in my possession. I have included the listing as well as my own photos because while seller’s photos are her own, they are somewhat vague.

Coach Rogue

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/113088303670

Seller: qcus3500


Comments: Seller has been extremely kind and helpful throughout buying process. Bag was deeply discounted due to a broken zipper pull and very minor signs of wear.

 

[BeenBurned]

There's some ongoing discussion on the ebay subforum concerning Ebay Authenticate, the sellers of luxury brands selling "guaranteed authentic" pre-authenticated items. Apparently the program has expanded to include "trusted" sellers, among them linda*s***stuff.

After finding previous fakes that were authenticated by My Poupette, I found this one that I'm curious about. (All her listings claim to have been authenticated by MP but there's no way some of those listings have pictures that would make a valid authentication possible!)

So I'm curious about this listing. Although the picture with the creed is illegible (and in fact, practically invisible), the description states that the serial number is N8H-6704. Actually, after saving and brightening the creed, I can see and read the serial number and the bag AUTHENTICATED BY MY POUPETTE IS FAKE!

Opinions?
Seller linda*s***stuff
Item 312160901486
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/312160901486?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137

ORIGINAL CREED PICTURE (and used by MP to "authenticate" this bag):


BRIGHTENED CREED PICTURE (proves the bag to be fake):

 

[houseof999]

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This item is in my possession. I have included the listing as well as my own photos because while seller’s photos are her own, they are somewhat vague.

Coach Rogue

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/113088303670

Seller: qcus3500


Comments: Seller has been extremely kind and helpful throughout buying process. Bag was deeply discounted due to a broken zipper pull and very minor signs of wear.

Looks authentic IMO.

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[houseof999]

Could you please help me with this Rogue 17? The seller has very limited reviews. Thank you all so much in advance!
Item: Brand New with tag Authentic Coach 1941 Rogue 17 Vermillion
Seller: wantisdeals
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-...002693?hash=item1a54cf0385:g:L4QAAOSwW8RbHO0z
Photos:

I don't see any red flags. The details look good and consistent to me but I am unable to read the last three numbers of the serial number. I went in my store today to see if they had one but they sold out. I'd like to see a bigger clear readable photo of the serial number and a pic of the made in tag to confirm.

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[Hyacinth]

There's some ongoing discussion on the ebay subforum concerning Ebay Authenticate, the sellers of luxury brands selling "guaranteed authentic" pre-authenticated items. Apparently the program has expanded to include "trusted" sellers, among them linda*s***stuff.

After finding previous fakes that were authenticated by My Poupette, I found this one that I'm curious about. (All her listings claim to have been authenticated by MP but there's no way some of those listings have pictures that would make a valid authentication possible!)

So I'm curious about this listing. Although the picture with the creed is illegible (and in fact, practically invisible), the description states that the serial number is N8H-6704. Actually, after saving and brightening the creed, I can see and read the serial number and the bag AUTHENTICATED BY MY POUPETTE IS FAKE!

Opinions?
Seller linda*s***stuff
Item 312160901486
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/312160901486?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l10137

ORIGINAL CREED PICTURE (and used by MP to "authenticate" this bag):
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BRIGHTENED CREED PICTURE (proves the bag to be fake):
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I wouldn't trust either MyPoupette or Linda*s***stuff to spot a fake Coach if it grew fangs and bit them on their collective arses.

There are NO verified genuine H plant Coaches with a more recent month code than "A", and the N month code is fake about 50 percent of the time. The genuine H plant code bags also had very different serial number fonts.

Not only is the "states" in the creed unusually squished together, but the Coach name in the cartouche above the creed is at an angle. We've seen these 2 details before but ONLY in fakes,. the angled logo would NEVER have been allowed to be used or even slipped through what passed for Coach's Quality Control in a genuine bag.

Most importantly - THE BAG IS A RIPOFF OF THE NEO DUFFLE SAC BUT HAS THE WRONG CREED STATEMENT. It says the bag is made of glove-tanned cowhide. It SHOULD say that it's a "custom developed material" trimmed with leather, since the Neos were made of neoprene, NOT leather. Here's a genuine Neo creed:

 

[BeenBurned]

Yup, as soon as I lightened the creed to make it legible, I knew it was fake but since I'd already prepared the post, I finished and posted it.

I guess if nothing else, this'll help buyers who google and find the info. they'll be forewarned.

 

[brittkilluh]

Looks authentic IMO.

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Thank you so much! I got a fantastic deal!

 

[llviolet]

I don't see any red flags. The details look good and consistent to me but I am unable to read the last three numbers of the serial number. I went in my store today to see if they had one but they sold out. I'd like to see a bigger clear readable photo of the serial number and a pic of the made in tag to confirm.

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Thank you! I’ll ask the seller for more photos.

 

[Ferenique]

Hi there

Can anyone tell me and therefore help to authenticate whether coach ever made the following Moto leather jackets? And not sure about that price tag - seems dodgy?
Thank you

 

[pdxhb]

Good morning authenticators -
Could you take a look at the following? Many thanks in advance!

Item: COACH Vintage TAYLOR CROSSBODY Brown Taupe LEATHER PURSE Handbag Bag 9944
Listing Number: 382497820962
Seller: rcmac5179
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Vint...-LEATHER-PURSE-Handbag-Bag-9944/382497820962?
Comments: How long was this style made (appx)? What color might this be?

 

[BeenBurned]

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Can anyone tell me and therefore help to authenticate whether coach ever made the following Moto leather jackets? And not sure about that price tag - seems dodgy?
Thank you

Are these jackets listed somewhere? Please refer to post 1, page 1 for the information we need.

 

[Hyacinth]

Yup, as soon as I lightened the creed to make it legible, I knew it was fake but since I'd already prepared the post, I finished and posted it.

I guess if nothing else, this'll help buyers who google and find the info. they'll be forewarned.

Yep, and it answers the age-old question - how clueless does a seller and an "authenticator" have to be to miss a blatant red flag like a creed stamp that says a bag made of Neoprene fabric is made of cowhide ???

Of course it's not the first time we've seen screamingly obvious mistakes by both that seller and that "authenticator" and I'm sure it won't be the last.