Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
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• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
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• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[Hyacinth]

So I bought this from a little old lady at the flea market today, I think its ok, but I want to make sure.

I laughed at the "little old lady" comment.

The bag looks fine. With additional pictures showing the back and pockets, under the flap and measurements, @Hyacinth can probably ID it.

We need a few more photos to identify it - one of the sides, the panel under the flap so we can see the pocket if it has one, and most importantly and as we request in Post One of this thread, the bag's measurements. We need to see the pockers and the way the strap is attached. All that is especially important with older or vintage bags that don't include the style number in their serial number. The bag in the photo could be any one of a half a dozen or more different styles.

 

[valv54]

Thanks guys, I'm having a little trouble posting pictures on the forum. I will get more pictures soon. Thanks for putting up with all my inquiries lately.

We need a few more photos to identify it - one of the sides, the panel under the flap so we can see the pocket if it has one, and most importantly and as we request in Post One of this thread, the bag's measurements. We need to see the pockers and the way the strap is attached. All that is especially important with older or vintage bags that don't include the style number in their serial number. The bag in the photo could be any one of a half a dozen or more different styles.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi there! Been looking for a really vintage Penny bag:, not sure this is one but I’d like to try it for a rehab project. I googled Penny bags and got the 9965 ones but could find no references to this #. It really needs ALOT of help and I want to rescue it but not wanting to do a ton of work if it’s a fake. Help please! Seller is 11xgrandma
Seller ishttps://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Vint...own-Leather-Crossbody-Bag-Purse-/332655614405

You won't be able to look up the serial number on any style made before 1994 because those bags all had their own unique serial numbers that DIDN'T include the style number. Please read the Salearea Guides (all of them if you have time but at least the ones on Authenticity Guides, Creeds and Serial Numbers), starting here:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/salearea-guides.983575/#post-32252957

The bag looks more like a Dinky than a Penny. The Pennys I remember seeing had grommets through the leather near the top of the bag's sides and the dog-leash clip was fastened right to the grommets and through the leather. Since the permanently attached strap seems to date from around 1980, it's probably no older than that which means it's probably a Dinky.

Please DON'T ever depend on Coach sellers to get the style names right. We constantly see mistakes by sellers who simply look through Ebay listings for a bag that kind of looks like theirs and copy whatever name that seller uses (which is wrong about half the time). Just last week we saw a number of different bag listings using EXACTLY the same name in the listing title as this one, and they were all wrong. It's not a Legacy, or a Pocket Bag, or a Penny. Sellers also throw a bunch of different names in their listing titles to make them show up in as many Ebay searches as possible.

Here's a thumbnail of the Dinky from the 1982 catalog, click on the thumbnail and then on the double-ended arrow in the upper right to enlarge. The Penny had disappeared from the catalogs by 1981.


Edited to add - Style 9965 was NOT a Penny or even a Dinky, it was a Legacy Small Flap from the mid-1990s. Please DON'T depend on Google for accurate information.

 

[Hyacinth]

Thanks guys, I'm having a little trouble posting pictures on the forum. I will get more pictures soon. Thanks for putting up with all my inquiries lately.

Please remember to include the required information. ESPECIALLY measurements. Even if you can describe verbally where all the pockets are and if they're open or zipped, and how the strap attaches (permanently sewn on, attached by D-rings, attached with clips, etc) that would help.

and oh, did I mention measurements?

From Post Number One:

"AUTHENTICATE This COACH

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread.

Note: The PurseForum requests that only members with an extensive knowledge of the brand and authenticating who have over 500 posts participate as authenticators in this AT thread. The moderators reserve the right to remove authentications that do not meet these requirements.


Please follow the following rules:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller:
  Link:
  Comments:

• 
  
• If the bag in question is not on an auction site, please use the following:
  
  Item Name (if you know it):
  Link (if available):
  Then attach any photos (all authentication must include photos.)
  • Please be sure to include a clear readable photo of the creed stamp and serial number from inside the bag or accessory if there is one, and the bag's measurements when the bag is an older or vintage leather Coach.
  • Since mid-2014, Coach stopped putting serial numbers on creeds so in newer bags where the creeds don't have serial numbers, we also need to see pictures of the labels/tags from inside the bag. They are either both in the main open part sewn into the seam of the lining, or one might be buried deep inside the zipper pocket. One shows where made and the other has a serial number.
• Authenticators are not required to answer every request and it is their right to ignore a request that is not in the proper format.
  
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• Do NOT PM an authenticator or moderator to request authentication. Any and all such requests should be posted in this thread.
  
• Should one of your items be questioned in this thread, you are welcome to provide additional pictures or materials supporting its authenticity.
  
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• Please utilize the "Quote" feature when responding directly to another post."

 

[uncertain]

Sure!

Here it is! Thanks (:

 

[Texas KP]

You won't be able to look up the serial number on any style made before 1994 because those bags all had their own unique serial numbers that DIDN'T include the style number. Please read the Salearea Guides (all of them if you have time but at least the ones on Authenticity Guides, Creeds and Serial Numbers), starting here:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/salearea-guides.983575/#post-32252957

The bag looks more like a Dinky than a Penny. The Pennys I remember seeing had grommets through the leather near the top of the bag's sides and the dog-leash clip was fastened right to the grommets and through the leather. Since the permanently attached strap seems to date from around 1980, it's probably no older than that which means it's probably a Dinky.

Please DON'T ever depend on Coach sellers to get the style names right. We constantly see mistakes by sellers who simply look through Ebay listings for a bag that kind of looks like theirs and copy whatever name that seller uses (which is wrong about half the time). Just last week we saw a number of different bag listings using EXACTLY the same name in the listing title as this one, and they were all wrong. It's not a Legacy, or a Pocket Bag, or a Penny. Sellers also throw a bunch of different names in their listing titles to make them show up in as many Ebay searches as possible.

Here's a thumbnail of the Dinky from the 1982 catalog, click on the thumbnail and then on the double-ended arrow in the upper right to enlarge. The Penny had disappeared from the catalogs by 1981.
View attachment 4103022

Edited to add - Style 9965 was NOT a Penny or even a Dinky, it was a Legacy Small Flap from the mid-1990s. Please DON'T depend on Google for accurate information.

 

[Texas KP]

Hyacinth, THANK YOU SO MUCH for this information, and your amazing expertise! Seems I get an education every time! I’ve printed up the above info, and the other page also, so I can continue to absorb them. I also printed the catalog page; I was thrilled to see that I have the 9530. And those little dimensions on the top...coolio!!Thanks again!

 

[BeenBurned]

Item Name: 2016 Hologram market tote
Link: private seller on facebook
Photos:View attachment 4097524 View attachment 4097525 View attachment 4097526 View attachment 4097527 View attachment 4097528 View attachment 4097771

There should be a small white tag/label inside, probably buried inside the zippered pocket. You might have to turn the pocket inside out to find it.

They told me it doesn't have a tag :/

I know what you're referring to but the seller can't seem to find it. If everything else looks ok, would it be ok according to the rules of this forum for me to get it and post the serial number myself? Thanks

Sure!

Here it is! Thanks (:
View attachment 4103060

The bag is authentic.

In the future, please link back to the previous posts because (as in this case) posts go back several pages and several days.

I also wish sellers would take the time to look for the details that are requested! We're helping them to sell their items yet they're either too lazy or unwilling to provide adequate pictures.

 

[Ruby Argueta]

Hello,
I'm not very much educated on authenticating Coach bags, so I was wondering if this vintage Willis Bag I just bought is authentic? Was paying $55 a reasonable price for it? What does the D80 stand for? Thank you.
The serial number is: D80-9927

 

[BeenBurned]

Hello,
I'm not very much educated on authenticating Coach bags, so I was wondering if this vintage Willis Bag I just bought is authentic? Was paying $55 a reasonable price for it? What does the D80 stand for? Thank you.
The serial number is: D80-9927View attachment 4103199View attachment 4103198

The bag is authentic but the plant code isn't "0" it's C. (You misread the last letter of the serial prefix.)

D8C == month (D=April)/year (1998)/C (one of US plants)
As for price, do a search of sold items on ebay for "Coach 9927." The sold listings will show what prices they sold for but there are so many variables that can affect price. You can make yourself crazy trying to find the best (i.e. lowest) price on the best bag in the best condition. Sometimes you just have to set your mind to finding what you want and if you're okay with the price, just accept it.

 

[ARGARR]

Hello! I bought this hopefully coach bag at a thrift store and I am wondering if it is authentic. It looks and feels really nice but I know nothing about what to look for in fakes. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

 

[BeenBurned]

View attachment 4103571 View attachment 4103573 View attachment 4103576 View attachment 4103577 View attachment 4103578 View attachment 4103582 View attachment 4103583 View attachment 4103586 View attachment 4103587 View attachment 4103594 Hello! I bought this hopefully coach bag at a thrift store and I am wondering if it is authentic. It looks and feels really nice but I know nothing about what to look for in fakes. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!

Authentic Carly leather tote from 2011.

 

[ARGARR]

Authentic Carly leather tote from 2011.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate your response and this forum.

 

[Texas KP]

Again!! I did look at previous. Posts on 4134 but couldn’t access the photos, so I looked at Tradesy ones ....This one is a real conundrum! I have posted photos of my OWN backpack..(sorry there are so many but trying to get it all...and I used the powder trick...not much better!)but I was looking for one for my daughter. Now I’m wondering if both of these are fake! The ebay one has a dorky Creed and ROUNDED backpack hardware; my hardware on the back part is much more squared off. I SO appreciate your help! Seller is. Secondhandchic.shop
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-So...On-Soft-Black-Leather-4134-Rare-/152998598200

 

[Hyacinth]

View attachment 4103773 View attachment 4103774 View attachment 4103775 View attachment 4103776 View attachment 4103777 View attachment 4103778 View attachment 4103779 View attachment 4103780 Again!! I did look at previous. Posts on 4134 but couldn’t access the photos, so I looked at Tradesy ones ....This one is a real conundrum! I have posted photos of my OWN backpack..(sorry there are so many but trying to get it all...and I used the powder trick...not much better!)but I was looking for one for my daughter. Now I’m wondering if both of these are fake! The ebay one has a dorky Creed and ROUNDED backpack hardware; my hardware on the back part is much more squared off. I SO appreciate your help! Seller is. Secondhandchic.shop
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-So...On-Soft-Black-Leather-4134-Rare-/152998598200

The one in the Ebay listing from secondhandchic.shop seems good. The reason it has rounded hardware, assuming you mean the front buckle, is that it's a Soho Back Sac and all Sohos made before the "China Era" have rounded or horseshoe-shaped buckles when they have buckles. The creed and serial number stamping are both correct for the plant and year in the codes.

From one of Coach's 1996 catalogs:


And here's a creed and serial from a GENUINE #4134 made at the same plant just a month later:


However the one in the photos you posted is fake. There's no valid year code, "A" has never been a Coach year code. "Y" has never been a valid Coach plant code either. The leather in many areas is covered with long parallel stretch marks from overstretching during processing, something that Coach never would do. One of the Salearea Guides posted under that title in the "Pinned" section of this Coach Shopping forum goes into those "elephant-skin" stretch marks a little. The rest of the leather is supposed to be thinner than the glove-tanned cowhide but NOT textured like this one is. The buckles on the straps are the wrong shape. The sections on Creeds and on Serial numbers also explain the production codes in the serial numbers and why you'll never find a 3-digit serial prefix that's all letters.

PLEASE read the Salearea Guides and save the link before buying any more Coaches. The Guides start here and continue through the end of the thread:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/salearea-guides.983575/#post-32252957
And if you bought it recently, get your money back.