Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[acapella]

While I understand that yard sale sellers are a little different from online sellers (including those who sell "from their closets") but the fact (and law) remains that it's illegal to sell fakes anywhere.

Before disposing of them, it wouldn't hurt to approach the seller (if convenient) and explain the law and that you'd like to return them for a refund. You may not be successful but it won't hurt to try. You have nothing to lose.

I would if the place wasn't so far away (about 45 minutes from here) and I could remember which homes had the yard sale I bought them from because they each were purchased from different yard sales. I bought them because I didn't know much about them and there was a chance they could be real. I think overall I lost about $10 on these. The reason why the price didn't instantly make me think they were fake is because I have purchased authentic items from yard sales before for very cheap so it all depends on the person I guess.

 

[Hyacinth]

It looks good. The keyring looks more gold in the second picture. I think it is just washed out from the flash in the first picture. They did make some with nickel hardware, but I don't recall ever seeing black with nickel. I think the only one I've seen is a dark purple.

They also did Lavender with Nickle hardware in Spring or Summer 1998 to match the new Lavender shade (I own one of the lavender Daypack key pouches), and that's when the first handbags with nickle hardware started to become available although it took another year before nickel hardware was more widely available with selected leather colors. The dark purple shade was probably "Ink" to match that color on the Neos, Lexingtons and other new 1998 styles.

Here's a thumbnail of the Spring 1998 catalog pages showing the color and hardware availability on the full-size bags, I don't have any catalog showing the key pouches from 1998.

 

[whateve]

Then in the trash they go! Can you tell me how you could tell so I can know what to look for in the future? I see these all the time at yard sales and I want to know what to look for before I lose any money.

A good rule of thumb is to not get anything that has signature Cs on both the outside and inside of the bag.

 

[acapella]

A good rule of thumb is to not get anything that has signature Cs on both the outside and inside of the bag.

Ok. So a real Coach bag will never have their signature Cs on both the outside and inside?

 

[whateve]

Ok. So a real Coach bag will never have their signature Cs on both the outside and inside?

Not usually. There could be some exceptions that I can't remember at the moment. Both of those linings in the purses you got were never used by Coach, but are the most popular linings in fakes. Coach signature lining is usually more subtle, like these:

 

[Hyacinth]

Ok. So a real Coach bag will never have their signature Cs on both the outside and inside?

Not as long as the outside C pattern takes up about half the bag's outer surface. But every "rule" has exceptions. Please read the last 2 or 3 pages of posts here for more advice about authentication.

And another rule that's never broken - Coach serial numbers NEVER have just 5 or less numbers and digits. Read the Salearea Guides on Creeds and Serial Numbers. At least one of the 2 fakes you bought has ONLY 5 numbers, "No 17176" (the "number" abbreviation "No" is never counted as part of the serial number) and there are so many other red flags on those bags that even a little research into the accurate information in this forum and in the Salearea Coach Guides should have warned you about the bags being fake, not the least of which is the C pattern and how it's placed on the outside. One look at the outside Cs would have told us all we need to know about the lack of authenticity of any of those bags. The tacky fake printed linings, invalid serial numbers, and "Coach" name stamps on almost ever piece of hardware would have just added to the evidence against those fakes. There are even misspellings in at least one creed stamp - "enOuring" instead of "enDuring", and "ourcommittment" instead of "our commitment".. There's really nothing right about those fakes and if we had more photos we'd find even more mistakes.

Again, READ THE SALEAREA GUIDES, starting here with Post 14:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/salearea-guides.983575/#post-32252957


Please don't buy any more "Coaches" that can't be returned for a full refund or can't be authenticated before purchase.

 

[Hyacinth]

Ok. So a real Coach bag will never have their signature Cs on both the outside and inside?

You can't always depend on "rules", which I've tried to explain in the Salearea Guide on Authenticity Guides. Here's a genuine bag with SOME Signature C fabric on the outside that also has Signature C lining, style 1441 Wave Gallery Tote (as well as the smaller accessories from the same line):



There are exceptions to almost every "rule" about Coaches that you'll find on the internet (which is a HORRIBLE place to look for authenticity information, BTW!). Coach makes their own rules and breaks them whenever they bloody well please.

One sometimes-Rule that your fakes also break, and real Coaches sometimes break too, is that bags with Signature C patterns including Op Art but NOT including many other style lines will have the C pattern CENTERED, which neither of yours are. If you make an imaginary vertical line right down the center of most C pattern bags, the right and left sides shou;d be mirror images of each other. Again, there are a ton of exceptions, and most fakes follow that rule too. Just because a bag seems to follow the rules doesn't prove it's genuine!. Only the laziest, cheapest and most clueless fakes makers ignore it. When we say something like "the Cs aren't centered" or are "misaligned", that's what we mean. An experienced Coachie would have spotted the un-centered Cs in those bags from 10 feet away.

Again, see the Salearea Guides or just read thru the last few days of posts, we've covered the topic pretty well.

 

[Lake Effect]

Then in the trash they go! Can you tell me how you could tell so I can know what to look for in the future? I see these all the time at yard sales and I want to know what to look for before I lose any money.

I actually take my iPad into thrift stores and to flea markets with me on occasion, in case I see something interesting and one of the authenitcators might be available.

 

[Fauxlashes]

Please request additional pictures of the inside showing the lining, another picture of the made-in tag that would be sewn in to the lining and if there's an inner zippered pocket, the seller should feel around (digging deep) inside the pocket (possibly turning it inside out) to see if there's another label with 2 rows of letters/numbers on it.

Thank you so much for your reply! The only tag that was found was a plastic “made in China” tag with a black dot on the tag. Other than that, there were no other markings or tags! I asked her when she bought it or what style it was and I didn’t get a clear answer aside from the generic “I bought it so long ago, I don’t remember!”

 

[whateve]

Thank you so much for your reply! The only tag that was found was a plastic “made in China” tag with a black dot on the tag. Other than that, there were no other markings or tags! I asked her when she bought it or what style it was and I didn’t get a clear answer aside from the generic “I bought it so long ago, I don’t remember!”

We still need to see the lining and that tag.

 

[BeenBurned]

I'm curious about opinions from this seller, his/her descriptions and the items themselves. (Items are shipped from India!)

In the past, Coach water buffalo wallets were highly faked and well faked.

Has anyone see these coin cases at an outlet? Style number 74428.
skydiversandy's item has an imprint of "Coach est. 1941" whereas the same style number on Rakuten has "Coach New York"

At this point, I don't know whether either is fake.

Ebay seller: skydiversandy (310
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-LEATHER-COIN-CASE-MAH-Mahogany-/263653075371

Bonanza Seller: skydiversandy aka Deals&Offers
https://www.bonanza.com/listings/Coach-Leather-Coin-Case-Mah-Mahogany/593490374

Description:
This is sourced as factory seconds / export surplus piece, rejected @ the source due to very minor manufacturing irregularities.

I am not affiliated with COACH in any way, NO BOX NO PAPERS.

On Rakuten: https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/import-lotus/item/74428tan/
On Qoo10 (Singapore): https://www.qoo10.sg/item/COACH-LEATHER-COIN-PURSE-F74428-BRITISH-TAN-BWN/607677356

Comparison:



This is another one. Note the uncentered pattern vs. the comp to the other listing. Same description re factory seconds:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Signature-Embossed-Slim-Card-Case-Black-F74530/263415100899

 

[Hyacinth]

I'm curious about opinions from this seller, his/her descriptions and the items themselves. (Items are shipped from India!)

In the past, Coach water buffalo wallets were highly faked and well faked.

Has anyone see these coin cases at an outlet? Style number 74428.
skydiversandy's item has an imprint of "Coach est. 1941" whereas the same style number on Rakuten has "Coach New York"

At this point, I don't know whether either is fake.

Ebay seller: skydiversandy (310
https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-LEATHER-COIN-CASE-MAH-Mahogany-/263653075371

Bonanza Seller: skydiversandy aka Deals&Offers
https://www.bonanza.com/listings/Coach-Leather-Coin-Case-Mah-Mahogany/593490374

Description:
This is sourced as factory seconds / export surplus piece, rejected @ the source due to very minor manufacturing irregularities.

I am not affiliated with COACH in any way, NO BOX NO PAPERS.

On Rakuten: https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/import-lotus/item/74428tan/
On Qoo10 (Singapore): https://www.qoo10.sg/item/COACH-LEATHER-COIN-PURSE-F74428-BRITISH-TAN-BWN/607677356

Comparison:
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This is another one. Note the uncentered pattern vs. the comp to the other listing. Same description re factory seconds:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Signature-Embossed-Slim-Card-Case-Black-F74530/263415100899
View attachment 4078725

I don't know which is fake either, but this line in SKYDIVERSANDY's description worries me, we've seen it before in other suspected fakes:
This is sourced as factory seconds / export surplus piece, rejected @ the source due to very minor manufacturing irregularities.

I am not affiliated with COACH in any way, NO BOX NO PAPERS

After all the cheap vinyl fakes we saw in a full-size checkbook wallet style going back to the early to mid 2000 decade and for years after that with that blasted embossed C pattern, I wish Coach had never used that design in any genuine wallets. Remember all those fake 6A06 wallets? There must have been at least a thousand of those P'sOS listed on Ebay over the years. I get nauseous just looking at that embossing.

 

[Hyacinth]

Thank you so much for your reply! The only tag that was found was a plastic “made in China” tag with a black dot on the tag. Other than that, there were no other markings or tags! I asked her when she bought it or what style it was and I didn’t get a clear answer aside from the generic “I bought it so long ago, I don’t remember!”

Then there's no way to authenticate it and there's a reasonable chance that it might be fake. I would pass on that bag AND seller and look somewhere else. I'm also not comfortable with the Coach stamp on the front, almost all real Coach bags I've seen should have a more elaborate stamp at the very least, not just the old-style Coach logo with just a cartouche around it. The sloppiness of the edgepaint on and around the strap mountings bothers me too. JMO, more opinions are probably needed..

 

[Fauxlashes]

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Then there's no way to authenticate it and there's a reasonable chance that it might be fake. I would pass on that bag AND seller and look somewhere else. I'm also not comfortable with the Coach stamp on the front, almost all real Coach bags I've seen should have a more elaborate stamp at the very least, not just the old-style Coach logo with just a cartouche around it. The sloppiness of the edgepaint on and around the strap mountings bothers me too. JMO, more opinions are probably needed..

Thank you so much for your reply! I will attach more photos that I was given:

 

[alexandria tale]

Hi everyone! I'm about to purchase from a private seller, may I know if this bag is authentic?

Name: coach edgestain mini rucksack
Style code: F37789

I think this one is the same case as the previous edie floral rivets. Boutique bag remade into outlet bag. But while there's a little dot on the edie's made in, this one has no dot. Please help. Thank you!