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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#27,196
Lori Pranger said:
So this was a Bonnie Cashin design then? I’m really in love with the deep burgundy color of it. Would this be aubergine?
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No, I'm sorry for the confusion. It most likely wasn't a Bonnie Cashin design. Many of the Bonnie Cashin designs were elaborate and probably cost more to produce than the Cahns wanted to spend. I think this might have been designed by the Cahns, but no one really knows. At one time, Coach pronounced that this was the original Coach bag, which I doubt was true since there are much older styles.
The color was probably called burgundy.
 
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Lori Pranger said:
Yes, this is EXACTLY what I have, tapered straps and thinner brass, and the way the leather of the strap on the back is a bit graduated as it gets closer to the bag, thank you! So was this a more affordable style of Coach, back then in 1986?
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No, like the catalog said, it's officially if not actually the original Coach Bag, first made in 1970-71. Not counting the Musette, handbag prices in 1986 ranged from $58 to $164 (that's why they're called "The Good Old Days"!) so it's right in the middle. Coach didn't believe in "more affordable" styles. If you wanted quality you should be willing and able to pay for it. There were no outlets or discounts back then unless you worked for the company or had some sort of deal through your employer.
Lori Pranger said:
So this was a Bonnie Cashin design then? I’m really in love with the deep burgundy color of it. Would this be aubergine?
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No, not as far as I know. Coach DID have their own designers back then, Cashin didn't do all the bags in their early history by any means. Cashin designs were usually a bit less conservative and had one of her unique fabric lining designs and her name on a label inside. Many early styles were based on her designs but aren't considered Cashin styles.Turnlocks were one of the details that she introduced and were then adopted by the designers for use on non-Cashin designs. Many of us don't consider a bag a Cashin style unless she actually created and completed the design during her time at Coach which was roughly 1962-1974. Just because something is a very early Coach doesn't make it a Cashin - something that a LOT of sellers don't seem able or willing to understand. A very large percentage of the "Cashin" bags listed for sale on Ebay, Etsy, and other sites are nothing of the kind.

ETA - Nuts! Sniped again! :facepalm:
 
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Hyacinth said:
No, like the catalog said, it's officially if not actually the original Coach Bag, first made in 1970-71. Not counting the Musette, handbag prices in 1986 ranged from $58 to $164 (that's why they're called "The Good Old Days"!) so it's right in the middle. Coach didn't believe in "more affordable" styles. If you wanted quality you should be willing and able to pay for it. There were no outlets or discounts back then unless you worked for the company or had some sort of deal through your employer.


No, not as far as I know. Coach DID have their own designers back then, Cashin didn't do all the bags in their early history by any means. Cashin designs were usually a bit less conservative and had one of her unique fabric lining designs and her name on a label inside. Many early styles were based on her designs but aren't considered Cashin styles.Turnlocks were one of the details that she introduced and were then adopted by the designers for use on non-Cashin designs. Many of us don't consider a bag a Cashin style unless she actually created and completed the design during her time at Coach which was roughly 1962-1974. Just because something is a very early Coach doesn't make it a Cashin - something that a LOT of sellers don't seem able or willing to understand. A very large percentage of the "Cashin" bags listed for sale on Ebay, Etsy, and other sites are nothing of the kind.

ETA - Nuts! Sniped again! :facepalm:
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Very well said, even if a little late! Hee hee!
 
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#27,205
Jynny said:
Dear authenticators, I recently bought a Coach backpack and although the seller insisted that the bag is authentic, I'm highly suspicious, please help, many thanks!
Item: Coach Signature Mini Charlie Backpack in Pebble Leather F38302 Brown / Black
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BeenBurned said:
The colors as shown on the tag aren't correct for the color of the backpack you received. And a dust bag probably wouldn't have come with a MFF item.

Please post a link to the listing from which you purchased. Before further comment, i want to see the listing.
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BeenBurned said:
If it's genuine, there are NO others like it. If fake, it's a "close" one. Personally, there are enough questions in my mind that if I bought it, I'd return because I don't believe authenticity can be proven. And I spent a lot of time trying to determine whether it could possibly be genuine.

My concerns:
1. Tag has incorrect color listed
2. Tag has incorrect style name
3. made in tag doesn't have "dot" for a MFF item
4. white tag format/font doesn't look right
5. creed isn't stamped in gold
6. Can't find another bag with "61" as the plant code. I don't believe 61 is a valid Chinese plant code.

Notice the differences in the following pictures.
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I'm not sure whether the comparison picture in the middle is an original tag or if it was a remake at store level. I'd like to have found a better picture of the same style but was unable.
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Hyacinth said:
I don't know why there are 2 versions of it, you would have to ask Coach and they never answer questions like that.

The 2 numbers are different because the leather trim is different, if that's what you're thinking. When a trim or construction detail is changed the item usually gets a new style number. And you can NEVER assume that all Coach items with the same name are supposed to have the same details, Coach re-uses names over and over and often 2 different styles with the same name don't look anything alike. That's why we always remind everyone to only compare 2 examples of the same item if they have exactly the same style number. No other comparisons are valid.

I don't usually get involved with newer bags, and there are only a few bags on Ebay in that style for comparison., None of them have pictures of the white tag so there's no way to tell if there's a problem with it. The two tags you're comparing were made in 2 different plants so it's very possible that there would be differences between them. The tags are probably printed in the same plant where the bags are made.. That's not enough to say if one isn't authentic. I'm sorry that I can't be more helpful.

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No worries dear :heart::heart:

I found out that another member here has bought a Coach Backpack, the one I have been looking for. The creed tag provided by seller looks legit but the white tag is off.

Like you mentioned, can we conclude that if a bag say F38302 were made in Vietnam, it could too at the same time being made in China so there will be 2 different plant code ?

Will keep looking for authentic backpack :smile:
 
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#27,207
kdtexas said:
Good afternoon! This bag is in my possession and I've just finished rehabbing it. I found it on Poshmark and it was pretty sad when I received it. Can someone tell me what the particular style is called, the style number and possibly a date (or range) of when it might have been produced? It's 9"x6"x 2" The serial number is 0101-044
Thanks,
Kay
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It's an authentic compartment bag #9850 from 1989 - 1992, approximately.
 
#27,209
I have this
Item: Peyton Small Tote???
Size: Approximately 9 to 11 inches (bottom to top) by 7 by 3.
Comments: It looked authentic to me, but I have done several searches in Ebay and Goggle and I can not find anything similar. The flowers are not appliques, they are more like painted so that's why I am asking for your expert opinion.
Thank you very much in advance.


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#27,210
mrk2014 said:
I have this
Item: Peyton Small Tote???
Size: Approximately 9 to 11 inches (bottom to top) by 7 by 3.
Comments: It looked authentic to me, but I have done several searches in Ebay and Goggle and I can not find anything similar. The flowers are not appliques, they are more like painted so that's why I am asking for your expert opinion.
Thank you very much in advance.


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Please check ALL THE WAY DOWN in the inside pockets, especially the zipped pocket, for the small white tag with the style number and production codes. Post a photo. It might help to actually turn the zipped pocket COMPLETELY inside out and check every inch of the seam.

Post number One here explains the procedure.
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/

"If the bag in question is not on an auction site, please use the following:

  • Item Name (if you know it):
    Link (if available):
    Then attach any photos (all authentication must include photos.)

    • Please be sure to include a clear readable photo of the creed stamp and serial number from inside the bag or accessory if there is one, and the bag's measurements when the bag is an older or vintage leather Coach.
    • Since mid-2014, Coach stopped putting serial numbers on creeds so in newer bags where the creeds don't have serial numbers, we also need to see pictures of the labels/tags from inside the bag. They are either both in the main open part sewn into the seam of the lining, or one might be buried deep inside the zipper pocket. One shows where made and the other has a serial number."
 
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