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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

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  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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The gerontologists keep saying that one must continue to test one's memory in order to remain sharp...

Item: COACH BROWN LEATHER LARGE DUFFLE BAG EXCELLENT 9953 AUTHENTIC HELEN'S LEGACY Listing: 132220721035
Seller: sophistifashion (10772)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-BROWN...721035?hash=item1ec8f8178b:g:DrUAAOSwbiFZOf4p
Comments: My notes show that the "R" was valid for a facility in Thailand starting in 1999. Was this letter ever legitimately employed for US plant prior to then?

As always, TIA for your expert input and commentary.
 
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DJ58 said:
Hi. I am new to this forum and if I am not posting correctly please let me know. I am trying to authenticate and determine the size, name, and style of this bag I have come across at a private estate sale. I have taken some photo's but if you are in need of more information please let me know. Thank you in advance for any help I may receive.View attachment 3731158
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I don't do newer styles, but this one seems ok although you might want to wait for more opinions. I believe it's one of the Madison Sabrinas from 2008 but I can't find the number.
 
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RL Bernstein said:
I seem to recall that an "X" in the ident number can be legit if it's in the proper location. I'm assuming that this may not be the case here...

Item: COACH brown leather vintage X LARGE hobo feed sac bucket shoulder handbag USA
Listing: 162543112620
Seller: nhollywoodfinds (965)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-brown...112620?hash=item25d85311ac:g:NScAAOSwKytZHPQu
Comments: An "X" in the month position? Please remind me when and where an "X" may be plausible (intended Discount store and before the style number?)

As always, TIA for your expert input and commentary.
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FAKE. An X in the month position is never valid. Neither are silver strap grommets with brass buckles, and neither are creed stampings that are so bad that the "A" in the Coach logo looks more like a smudge than a letter - take a close look. The rest of the creed isn't much better.

An X as a retailer or discount store code would only be valid at the end of the style number AFAIK. There was also an X plant code for a Dominican Republic plant but we still don't have enough proof either way if it was ever used for any US plant.
 
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RL Bernstein said:
The gerontologists keep saying that one must continue to test one's memory in order to remain sharp...

Item: COACH BROWN LEATHER LARGE DUFFLE BAG EXCELLENT 9953 AUTHENTIC HELEN'S LEGACY Listing: 132220721035
Seller: sophistifashion (10772)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-BROWN...721035?hash=item1ec8f8178b:g:DrUAAOSwbiFZOf4p
Comments: My notes show that the "R" was valid for a facility in Thailand starting in 1999. Was this letter ever legitimately employed for US plant prior to then?

As always, TIA for your expert input and commentary.
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That seller has a decade-long record for "mixing", selling both real and fake. Posts here reccomending against buying from her go back at least to 2008.

Once again, silver strap grommets with brass buckles, unfinished stitching on the top zipper's leather pull tab, lousy stitching on the binding ends on the base, and I've never seen that serial number font in a genuine bag. The only provable bags with R plant codes that I've seen have been from the Thailand plant.
 
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RL Bernstein said:
The gerontologists keep saying that one must continue to test one's memory in order to remain sharp...

Item: COACH BROWN LEATHER LARGE DUFFLE BAG EXCELLENT 9953 AUTHENTIC HELEN'S LEGACY Listing: 132220721035
Seller: sophistifashion (10772)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-BROWN...721035?hash=item1ec8f8178b:g:DrUAAOSwbiFZOf4p
Comments: My notes show that the "R" was valid for a facility in Thailand starting in 1999. Was this letter ever legitimately employed for US plant prior to then?

As always, TIA for your expert input and commentary.
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Hyacinth said:
That seller has a decade-long record for "mixing", selling both real and fake. Posts here reccomending against buying from her go back at least to 2008.

Once again, silver strap grommets with brass buckles, unfinished stitching on the top zipper's leather pull tab, lousy stitching on the binding ends on the base, and I've never seen that serial number font in a genuine bag. The only provable bags with R plant codes that I've seen have been from the Thailand plant.
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Sophistifashion has been one of my "favorites" to watch for as long as Hyacinth mentions.

And anyone who SELLS COACH should add both her IDs, sophistifashion and her buying ID, mrsky01 to their BBLs. Although there's nothing wrong with flipping, she's one those flippers who is dangerous for the sellers she purchases from:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=mrsky01&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home
 
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Hyacinth said:
That seller has a decade-long record for "mixing", selling both real and fake. Posts here recommending against buying from her go back at least to 2008.

Once again, silver strap grommets with brass buckles, unfinished stitching on the top zipper's leather pull tab, lousy stitching on the binding ends on the base, and I've never seen that serial number font in a genuine bag. The only provable bags with R plant codes that I've seen have been from the Thailand plant.
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BeenBurned said:
Sophistifashion has been one of my "favorites" to watch for as long as Hyacinth mentions.

And anyone who SELLS COACH should add both her IDs, sophistifashion and her buying ID, mrsky01 to their BBLs. Although there's nothing wrong with flipping, she's one those flippers who is dangerous for the sellers she purchases from:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=mrsky01&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home
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Thank you for all the info. Duly noted. It's very useful knowing which individuals to avoid in both buying and selling directions. Someone who leaves unwarranted or dubiously-based negative feedbacks isn't the type of individual anyone should want to do business with.
 
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RL Bernstein said:
The gerontologists keep saying that one must continue to test one's memory in order to remain sharp...

Item: COACH BROWN LEATHER LARGE DUFFLE BAG EXCELLENT 9953 AUTHENTIC HELEN'S LEGACY Listing: 132220721035
Seller: sophistifashion (10772)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-BROWN...721035?hash=item1ec8f8178b:g:DrUAAOSwbiFZOf4p
Comments: My notes show that the "R" was valid for a facility in Thailand starting in 1999. Was this letter ever legitimately employed for US plant prior to then?

As always, TIA for your expert input and commentary.
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Hyacinth said:
That seller has a decade-long record for "mixing", selling both real and fake. Posts here reccomending against buying from her go back at least to 2008.

Once again, silver strap grommets with brass buckles, unfinished stitching on the top zipper's leather pull tab, lousy stitching on the binding ends on the base, and I've never seen that serial number font in a genuine bag. The only provable bags with R plant codes that I've seen have been from the Thailand plant.
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BeenBurned said:
Sophistifashion has been one of my "favorites" to watch for as long as Hyacinth mentions.

And anyone who SELLS COACH should add both her IDs, sophistifashion and her buying ID, mrsky01 to their BBLs. Although there's nothing wrong with flipping, she's one those flippers who is dangerous for the sellers she purchases from:
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=mrsky01&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home
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And for those of us keeping score on sophistifashion and mrsky01, while reporting the current fake, I found that she also sold the following:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-9090-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-BLACK...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
 
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Catbird9 said:
I believe this is fake but need to be 100% sure. Thank you.
Seller: detroitvault
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-COACH-B...485216?hash=item3f7f49d6e0:g:wGAAAOSwPK1ZQi9N
Comment: A very good fake? but creed P7Z 9033 is wrong wrong wrong.

ETA: Seller has used the same fake creed picture on another listing, a Court Bag.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-COACH-C...ssenger-Bag-Purse-9870-HUNGARY-/272718416498?
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You are correct. In addition to the serial number being invalid in every way, the text is too squished together, 9033 isn't a backpack and there's a border around the serial number.

ETA: I wouldn't report the Court bag. I think that is probably okay though it can't be determined without the correct picture. But it also can't be proven fake with the incorrect creed photo.

ETA again: She also has this fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-V...381338?hash=item3f7f48411a:g:HzkAAOSw8GtZQiCo
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-COACH-B...367757?hash=item3f7f480c0d:g:uHQAAOSw~XpZQhxY

detroitvault fake coach p7z creed.jpg
 
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BeenBurned said:
You are correct. In addition to the serial number being invalid in every way, the text is too squished together, 9033 isn't a backpack and there's a border around the serial number.

ETA: I wouldn't report the Court bag. I think that is probably okay though it can't be determined without the correct picture. But it also can't be proven fake with the incorrect creed photo.

ETA again: She also has this fake:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-V...381338?hash=item3f7f48411a:g:HzkAAOSw8GtZQiCo
and
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-COACH-B...367757?hash=item3f7f480c0d:g:uHQAAOSw~XpZQhxY

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Thanks BeenBurned! Off to report.
 
#23,202
Catbird9 said:
I believe this is fake but need to be 100% sure. Thank you.
Seller: detroitvault
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-COACH-B...485216?hash=item3f7f49d6e0:g:wGAAAOSwPK1ZQi9N
Comment: A very good fake? but creed P7Z 9033 is wrong wrong wrong.

ETA: Seller has used the same fake creed picture on another listing, a Court Bag.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-COACH-C...ssenger-Bag-Purse-9870-HUNGARY-/272718416498?
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The Drawstring Bucket with the fake creed is OK to report. The Black Casino Bag # 272718381338 is also fake, the font of the serial number is completely wrong for the plant and year.
Please report:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Authentic-V...381338?hash=item3f7f48411a:g:HzkAAOSw8GtZQiCo

The Court Bag is probably OK and the seller " detroitvault " - who should NOT be selling Coach products! - may have mixed up their photos. The serial number and country are probably valid.


ETA - Blast! I really need to refresh the page before I post.
 
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This explains it! This is from DETROITVAULT 's ME page:
Detroit Vault is a Wholesale Distributor of Vintage and Designer Purses, Wallets, Belts, and Shoes located in the heart of Detroit, MI. We hand pick and present to you one-of-a-kind and hard to find items for a fraction of the retail cost!
 
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