Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

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IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
    Comments:

  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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Lake Effect said:
@whateve there is an online seller who states his "authenticator friends" assure him that , and I am not sure what part of the creed patch he means, something raised on 'made in the United States' creeds indicate it is an NYC bag. I will PM you the link.
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Is it the same seller you referred to in the following post (from April 7)?

Lake Effect said:
@Hyacinth I do have a question that ties in with the two bags just authenticated. Several sellers indicate when the creed stamp says made in the United States and the printing of the Coach at the top of the creed is raised as opposed to depressed, that it indicates a bag was made in the New York City plant, as opposed to other plants they used in the late 80's or early 90's. Of course, they use it as a marketing point that the bag is a New York City. Any truth?
Btw, if you haven't heard, the made in NYC bags are disappearing at an alarming rate, according to one online seller. Just wanted to keep everyone here in the loop. LOL
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When you made that post, I hunted around to find who would spew such nonsense. And I found that ProVintageGear
on Etsy says it in nearly every listing!

Is that the same seller whose "authenticator friends" where the bag was made based on the creed imprints?
 
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#22,117
BeenBurned said:
I happened to open one of the listings and although his descriptions are very hard to read, this was one of the FAKE items that PROVINTAGEGEAR sold:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/386989534/coach-classic-shoulder-bag-british-tan

From the wordy description:
This particular bag was made in 1996. It has N6G-9170 stamped on the creed which also states it was made in the United States.
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Lake Effect said:
Maybe he forgot to run that one by his authenticator friends. :nuts:
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Either that or he needs to find new authenticator friends who know what they're talking about.

Here's the listing which, although authentic has the nonsense quote stating "This bag has the Coach Leatherware Logo with the raised letters which my Coach authenticator friends have advised me means this bag was made in the New York City factory after Coach opened other factories outside of New York City."
https://www.etsy.com/listing/480991780/sale-mothers-day-coach-taupe-leather?ref=shop_home_active_59
 
#22,118
BeenBurned said:
Either that or he needs to find new authenticator friends who know what they're talking about.

Here's the listing which, although authentic has the nonsense quote stating "This bag has the Coach Leatherware Logo with the raised letters which my Coach authenticator friends have advised me means this bag was made in the New York City facbory after Coach opened other factories outside of New York City."
https://www.etsy.com/listing/480991780/sale-mothers-day-coach-taupe-leather?ref=shop_home_active_59
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The cartouche on that bag doesn't have raised letters.
 
#22,119
BeenBurned said:
I happened to open one of the listings and although his descriptions are very hard to read, this was one of the FAKE items that PROVINTAGEGEAR sold:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/386989534/coach-classic-shoulder-bag-british-tan

From the wordy description:
This particular bag was made in 1996. It has N6G-9170 stamped on the creed which also states it was made in the United States.
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Lake Effect said:
Maybe he forgot to run that one by his authenticator friends. :nuts:
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Ugh! PROVINTAGEGEAR needs to get a new authenticator.

This is another current "mother's day" bag with creed photo below:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/510023916/sale-mothers-day-coach-casino-bag-in?ref=related-4
ProVintageGear fake coach creed 012-3445 .png
 
#22,121
BeenBurned said:
Is it the same seller you referred to in the following post (from April 7)?



When you made that post, I hunted around to find who would spew such nonsense. And I found that ProVintageGear
on Etsy says it in nearly every listing!

Is that the same seller whose "authenticator friends" where the bag was made based on the creed imprints?
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The B plant which I think was Miami also had the same details on the creed stamp. I'd have to find a large sampling of bags where their exact date of manufacture could be proven but as far as I can see, ALL bags from ALL plants made earlier than 1992 have the raised Coach name on the creed, and that of course would include all the 3+4 serial number bags. The earliest recessed-name examples in my files are from 1992 and newer.
 
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Hyacinth said:
The B plant which I think was Miami also had the same details on the creed stamp. I'd have to find a large sampling of bags where their exact date of manufacture could be proven but as far as I can see, apparently ALL bags from ALL plants made earlier than 1992 have the raised Coach name on the creed, and that of course would include all the 3+4 serial number bags except maybe for a tiny handful I've found with the old 3+4 serials from 1992. The earliest recessed-name examples in my files are from 1992 and newer.
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Same subject, new post - SacsMagniques Ebay Guide has 2 pics referring to that period and says
The Bags began to read "Made in the United States (USA in the Lightweight Collection). Individual Serial/registration numbers in XXX-XXXX format. The Cartouche on some of these early bags shows that they were still being made in the original NYCFactory...or at least with the original Creed press.

Still read "Made in the United States (USA in the Lightweight Collection) with individual Serial/registration numbers, but format changes to XXXX-XXX. The Cartouche is concave.
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Guide-to-Vintage-Coach-Hang-tags-and-Creeds-/10000000177697673/g.html
The second line mentioning the concave cartouche is only refering to bags with 4+3 serial number formats (which were introduced in 1990) meaning that they were made in or after 1990 but those 2 details didn't come together until 1992 from what my photo files show. As always with Coach there might be a few exceptions, but so far 14 out of the 14 photos I have of Made in the United States/U.S.A.creeds and 3+4 serial numbers ALL have raised letters in the Coach logo. The ONLY example with recessed letters I've seen so far is in that seller's listing, which could even be a 1991 or 1992 example that still had the old serial number format or more likely, had an incorrectly formatted serial number - the plant that used the "Made In U.S.A" was the same one that popped out dozens if not hundreds of bags with an 8-digit serial number and no hyphen before they figured out their mistake).

There's NOTHING in SM's Ebay guide that says only NYC creeds with 3+4 formats would have had raised Coach logos.
 
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BeenBurned said:
Seller ProVintageGear
Etsy listing Abbie bag
https://www.etsy.com/listing/499925591/sale-mothers-day-coach-abbie-zip?ref=related-3

Comments: Serial font looks wrong, border around serial number, made in US text yet AFAIK, Z is a plant code for Dominican Republic.
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And another fake.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/509942232/sale-mothers-day-coach-maggie-duffle-in?ref=related-4
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Too bad we don't keep lists of untrusted sellers or PROVINTAGEGEAR would be right up there with the pack leaders.

NOT RECOMMENDED, at least by me!
 
#22,124
Hyacinth said:
Same subject, new post - SacsMagniques Ebay Guide has 2 pics referring to that period and says
The Bags began to read "Made in the United States (USA in the Lightweight Collection). Individual Serial/registration numbers in XXX-XXXX format. The Cartouche on some of these early bags shows that they were still being made in the original NYCFactory...or at least with the original Creed press.

Still read "Made in the United States (USA in the Lightweight Collection) with individual Serial/registration numbers, but format changes to XXXX-XXX. The Cartouche is concave.
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Guide-to-Vintage-Coach-Hang-tags-and-Creeds-/10000000177697673/g.html
The second line mentioning the concave cartouche is only refering to bags with 4+3 serial number formats (which were introduced in 1990) meaning that they were made in or after 1990 but those 2 details didn't come together until 1992 from what my photo files show. As always with Coach there might be a few exceptions, but so far 14 out of the 14 photos I have of Made in the United States/U.S.A.creeds and 3+4 serial numbers ALL have raised letters in the Coach logo.

There's NOTHING in SM's Ebay guide that says only NYC creeds with 3+4 formats would have had raised Coach logos.
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I can't tell if the letters are raised in this picture. They don't look like it to me. It is a Lightweight.
 

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#22,125
Hyacinth said:
Too bad we don't keep lists of untrusted sellers or PROVINTAGEGEAR would be right up there with the pack leaders.

NOT RECOMMENDED, at least by me!
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According to his bio, the owner of PROVINTAGEGEAR is a practicing attorney. I doubt the Michigan Bar looks kindly on the sales of fake merchandise. He should know better, especially because he was advised earlier in this thread that he was selling fakes and needed to have his bags authenticated.
 
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