Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[holiday123]

Seller seventiesnut
Please be sure to include the information requested in post #1 for authentication requests.

I discussed this seller privately with someone and I'm not (personally) comfortable with seventiesnut. Although there's no way to prove it one way or another and with certain details in the current listings that worry me, I'm concerned that this seller sells close fakes (at worst) or mixes authentic and fake (at best).

There's no way to authenticate the current listings but there was an obvious fake (since removed) that was listed last week. The bag was a style with lots of buckles and straps, one that is unlike anything Coach made. The creed was a mess, had a made in the United States text and lacked a serial number (though didn't have anything in the pocket either). She claimed it was from a Coach employee and because a sample had no serial number.

BTW, I blew up and saved a couple of pictures creed:

Thank you, I'll pass in any items from this seller to be safe.

I have won a few items on ebay that didn't have the white label with serial number in the pocket that were samples. The most recent one came with a coach sample card that had a ton more information about the bag, leather, hardware, stitching etc. than I would have even known. I thought that was pretty cool. I never knew coach sold samples, but had it authenticated and it was authentic.

 

[BeenBurned]

Thank you, I'll pass in any items from this seller to be safe.

I have won a few items on ebay that didn't have the white label with serial number in the pocket that were samples. The most recent one came with a coach sample card that had a ton more information about the bag, leather, hardware, stitching etc. than I would have even known. I thought that was pretty cool. I never knew coach sold samples, but had it authenticated and it was authentic.

We can't authenticate so-called samples and there's no way to even prove whether Coach has sample sales.

The problem is that even when sellers claim their items are samples or that they are employees and got it as a perk, there's never any type of receipt or documentation that what they're saying is true.

Additionally, many "sample" items I've seen have been questionable as to authenticity (at best), often with incorrect style numbers (when there are creeds), incorrect date codes often indicating they'd have been made a year or more before the styles were made, and interestingly, most of the sellers are in the NY/NJ area, not just the Coach home base but also the east coast counterfeit district of Canal Street.

The only way I'd ever recommend that someone consider buying these items is if they ONLY want the item for their own personal use, ONLY if they never plan to resell, and ONLY if there isn't a proveably authentic similar item.


Again, JMHO. Other opinions are welcome.

 

[catthecurious]

Isn't this conversation about the same bag?

http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.577470/page-789

 

[BeenBurned]

I have requested more pics from the seller, but has anyone even heard of these bags? I can't find anything on google image, but am loving that shade of green:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vogue-Japan...071324?hash=item33c4ae065c:g:vxkAAOSwImRYTbBg

Seller seventiesnut
Please be sure to include the information requested in post #1 for authentication requests.

I discussed this seller privately with someone and I'm not (personally) comfortable with seventiesnut. Although there's no way to prove it one way or another and with certain details in the current listings that worry me, I'm concerned that this seller sells close fakes (at worst) or mixes authentic and fake (at best).

There's no way to authenticate the current listings but there was an obvious fake (since removed) that was listed last week. The bag was a style with lots of buckles and straps, one that is unlike anything Coach made. The creed was a mess, had a made in the United States text and lacked a serial number (though didn't have anything in the pocket either). She claimed it was from a Coach employee and because a sample had no serial number.

Isn't this conversation about the same bag?

http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.577470/page-789

It looks like the same style but as I commented earlier (and has been discussed at length in the past), some of the so-called samples and employee prototypes are extremely close.

In the case of seventiesnut, none of her listings have enough pictures to authenticate and coupled with the fact that she had a fake that she claimed was "from an employee and was a sample so there's no serial number" raises huge red flags in my mind.

If what she's saying is true, why does she only post minimal pictures and descriptions in her listings? Why not take advantage of the up to 12 pictures that ebay allows her to include in her listings? A lousy picture of the front of the bag and a picture of a tag doesn't prove (or disprove) anything! She should show the lining, the creed, the made in tag, the open front kisslock pockets, etc.

 

[catthecurious]

It looks like the same style but as I commented earlier (and has been discussed at length in the past), some of the so-called samples and employee prototypes are extremely close.

In the case of seventiesnut, none of her listings have enough pictures to authenticate and coupled with the fact that she had a fake that she claimed was "from an employee and was a sample so there's no serial number" raises huge red flags in my mind.

If what she's saying is true, why does she only post minimal pictures and descriptions in her listings? Why not take advantage of the up to 12 pictures that ebay allows her to include in her listings? A lousy picture of the front of the bag and a picture of a tag doesn't prove (or disprove) anything! She should show the lining, the creed, the made in tag, the open front kisslock pockets, etc.

Cannot agree more on the pictures part! Some sellers leave too much to our imagination.

 

[holiday123]

It looks like the same style but as I commented earlier (and has been discussed at length in the past), some of the so-called samples and employee prototypes are extremely close.

In the case of seventiesnut, none of her listings have enough pictures to authenticate and coupled with the fact that she had a fake that she claimed was "from an employee and was a sample so there's no serial number" raises huge red flags in my mind.

If what she's saying is true, why does she only post minimal pictures and descriptions in her listings? Why not take advantage of the up to 12 pictures that ebay allows her to include in her listings? A lousy picture of the front of the bag and a picture of a tag doesn't prove (or disprove) anything! She should show the lining, the creed, the made in tag, the open front kisslock pockets, etc.

I received a reply from the seller after I requested more information. He said his wife believes it snaps shut and has interior pockets and that the winner will be very happy. No additional pictures were sent and that response seemed kind of sketchy to me (unless the wife speaks no English a d her husband was responding to translate??)

 

[holiday123]

We can't authenticate so-called samples and there's no way to even prove whether Coach has sample sales.

The problem is that even when sellers claim their items are samples or that they are employees and got it as a perk, there's never any type of receipt or documentation that what they're saying is true.

Additionally, many "sample" items I've seen have been questionable as to authenticity (at best), often with incorrect style numbers (when there are creeds), incorrect date codes often indicating they'd have been made a year or more before the styles were made, and interestingly, most of the sellers are in the NY/NJ area, not just the Coach home base but also the east coast counterfeit district of Canal Street.

The only way I'd ever recommend that someone consider buying these items is if they ONLY want the item for their own personal use, ONLY if they never plan to resell, and ONLY if there isn't a proveably authentic similar item.


Again, JMHO. Other opinions are welcome.

Yeah the seller I won the sample from didn't disclose it was a sample and appears to be a 3rd party consigner out of Chicago.
The bag is the oil slick rhyder Crossbody and I have 2 other of the same bag, different colors. The markings are almost identical, but I notice a few differences in design... The sample one has a rivet that unsnaps by the back pocket whereas my other 2 the rivet is purely decorative. Also this oil slick has 3 vs 2 rivets on the side of the front pocket and the leather trim is a bit wider under the flap.
I don't plan to ever resell this sample because of the questionable authenticity of a sample, but for personal use I just chalk up the difference due to it being a prototype.
Attaching the sample card that came with it. I found interesting.

 

[BeenBurned]

Yeah the seller I won the sample from didn't disclose it was a sample and appears to be a 3rd party consigner out of Chicago.
The bag is the oil slick rhyder Crossbody and I have 2 other of the same bag, different colors. The markings are almost identical, but I notice a few differences in design... The sample one has a rivet that unsnaps by the back pocket whereas my other 2 the rivet is purely decorative. Also this oil slick has 3 vs 2 rivets on the side of the front pocket and the leather trim is a bit wider under the flap.
I don't plan to ever resell this sample because of the questionable authenticity of a sample, but for personal use I just chalk up the difference due to it being a prototype.
Attaching the sample card that came with it. I found interesting.

I'm not at all comfortable with that tag. In fact, it's eerily similar to the tags/labeling on fake Korean-made keychain I bought years ago (and returned as SNAD).

Re your paperwork:

• Do you notice that they misspelled the "oil slick" hardware as "ioil slick"
• Did you notice that they have "scattered" logo lining as "scatterd"
• I can't imagine Coach using that serif font or title for "Coach Manufacturing Limited Sample Tag"
• The heading isn't even aligned properly.

I'm not sure your bag is authentic.

ETA: I'd love to see the listing from which you won that bag.

ETA again: I found this but although that company makes Coach bags, I'm not sure about yours.
http://vccinews.com/news_detail.asp?news_id=25506

 

[holiday123]

We can't authenticate so-called samples and there's no way to even prove whether Coach has sample sales.

The problem is that even when sellers claim their items are samples or that they are employees and got it as a perk, there's never any type of receipt or documentation that what they're saying is true.

Additionally, many "sample" items I've seen have been questionable as to authenticity (at best), often with incorrect style numbers (when there are creeds), incorrect date codes often indicating they'd have been made a year or more before the styles were made, and interestingly, most of the sellers are in the NY/NJ area, not just the Coach home base but also the east coast counterfeit district of Canal Street.

The only way I'd ever recommend that someone consider buying these items is if they ONLY want the item for their own personal use, ONLY if they never plan to resell, and ONLY if there isn't a proveably authentic similar item.


Again, JMHO. Other opinions are welcome.

I'm not at all comfortable with that tag. In fact, it's eerily similar to the tags/labeling on fake Korean-made keychain I bought years ago (and returned as SNAD).

Re your paperwork:

• Do you notice that they misspelled the "oil slick" hardware as "ioil slick"
• Did you notice that they have "scattered" logo lining as "scatterd"
• I can't imagine Coach using that serif font or title for "Coach Manufacturing Limited Sample Tag"
• The heading isn't even aligned properly.

I'm not sure your bag is authentic.

ETA: I'd love to see the listing from which you won that bag.

ETA again: I found this but although that company makes Coach bags, I'm not sure about yours.
http://vccinews.com/news_detail.asp?news_id=25506

Here is the listing:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Navy-...CdfcLuDbk0YXk9uhFyvAE%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
I'm still within dispute/return window

 

[BeenBurned]

I received a reply from the seller after I requested more information. He said his wife believes it snaps shut and has interior pockets and that the winner will be very happy. No additional pictures were sent and that response seemed kind of sketchy to me (unless the wife speaks no English a d her husband was responding to translate??)

I'm skeptical and I doubt that it's the husband speaking for the wife.

His description isn't good enough and if he's not willing to send pictures.

A seller who's unwilling or unable to send more pictures is a seller you don't want to do business with. And particularly after the other fake, it's more reason to need the pictures.

 

[BeenBurned]

Attention authentication requesters!

Please read post #1 and when requesting and/or discussing authenticity of bags, PLEASE use the posting format (and read the rules in that post).

Item:
Listing number:
Seller:
Link:
Comments:

http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/

 

[holiday123]

Attention authentication requesters!

Please read post #1 and when requesting and/or discussing authenticity of bags, PLEASE use the posting format (and read the rules in that post).

Item:
Listing number:
Seller:
Link:
Comments:

http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/

Sorry I wasn't asking for an authentication, I was showing you the listing you said you'd like to see.

 

[whateve]

Here is the listing:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Navy-Leather-Iridescent-Hardware-Rhyder-Crossbody-/311748523383?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&nma=true&si=yb2hrsCdfcLuDbk0YXk9uhFyvAE%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
I'm still within dispute/return window

I'm sorry but I won't comment on listings by that seller.

 

[Hyacinth]

Yeah the seller I won the sample from didn't disclose it was a sample and appears to be a 3rd party consigner out of Chicago.
The bag is the oil slick rhyder Crossbody and I have 2 other of the same bag, different colors. The markings are almost identical, but I notice a few differences in design... The sample one has a rivet that unsnaps by the back pocket whereas my other 2 the rivet is purely decorative. Also this oil slick has 3 vs 2 rivets on the side of the front pocket and the leather trim is a bit wider under the flap.
I don't plan to ever resell this sample because of the questionable authenticity of a sample, but for personal use I just chalk up the difference due to it being a prototype.
Attaching the sample card that came with it. I found interesting.

I've never seen any tags like that, from a supposed sample from the US or anywhere else. I wasn't aware that Coach was now making bags, sample or otherwise, in Thailand, or maybe I'm misreading the tags. They used to make business and travel bags there but that was over 15 years ago.

As for the other issue, all I'll say (even about a fellow Chicagoan) is to quote what Thumper said in "Bambi".
"If you can't say somethin' nice, don't say nothin" at all"

 

[MidlifeFashionPrincess]

I'm not sure I am posting this correctly, I hope I am.

I recently purchased a vintage Coach on eBay. It is a tan bag, possibly Bonnie Cashin. The number is No 992-7129. It reads Coach Leatherware inside and is made in New York. Its appearance is consistent with the age of the purse. I own a handful of vintage Coach bags, but am no way a "collector," so I do not trust my eye for distinguishing a fake.

Now that I have the bag in hand, I see two things that make me question its authenticity.
1) The corners are sewn oddly. They do not run at straight angles; they are not square. I hope you can see it in the photo. I have NEVER seen this in a Coach.

2) There are obvious lines where the leather has been died that are visible from this inside. I do not need to "pull" at the seems to see this, I simply opened the purse and there are the lines.

Take a look at the photos and tell me what you think.
Many thanks.