Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

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  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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houseofcoach999 said:
Item: Backpack
Seller: 725beautifulbags
link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-197...400145?hash=item2a71d4d591:g:gRgAAOSwMmBV1MM6
Creed: None
Comment: Seller thinks it's coach but can't find a name anywhere. Has anyone seen anything like this made by Coach?
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Catbird9 said:
Seller states: "likely made by Coach, or Sacoche, or Robert Cheau, or Jack George, however I cannot find the label on there anywhere."

If the seller doesn't know it is an authentic Coach, the listing is reportable since they put "COACH" in the brand name field on the Item Specifics form.

Personally I do not think it is made by Coach. The overall quality looks poor and the zipper is wrong. Please wait for other opinions.
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whateve said:
I agree, it wasn't made by Coach.
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Hyacinth said:
I'm inclined to give the seller the benefit of the doubt on that one, especially after reading the entire description. It's not BLATANT Keyword Spamming like most of the listings I've reported and I'm not getting any kind of vibe that they're trying to trick or mislead potential buyers into thinking it IS Coach, like the listing mentioned a few posts before this one. For instance the name Coach isn't used in the actual listing title, and unless someone does an Ebay Advanced Search - Search Titles AND Descriptions, that listing might not even come up, as messed up as Ebay's Search has been for the last few years. I'd rather save my reports for the real offenders. And I haven't searched for any blatant previous offenses so I'm just going by instinct here.

JMO, of course, everyone is free to do what seems right to them. But I'd rather give sellers the benefit of the doubt when possible, they have enough clueless and dishonest buyers reporting them for non-existant offenses as it is.
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houseofcoach999 said:
I agree, the seller isn't trying to blatantly claim it is authentic coach (as my PM seller with an obvious fake). I won't be reporting. I think a nice message can suffice that if an item has no evidence of being a COACH then it shouldn't be listed as such.

Honestly, I was really hoping it was a COACH that you guys might have seen.. one of those pre-creeds with just the coach cartouche.. Sigh.
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If it were just that one bag that she KWS'ed, like Hyacinth, I'd probably give the seller the benefit of the doubt. However, in looking at the listings posted by 725beautifulbags, I'm 100% certain that the seller is PURPOSELY using many unrelated key words to manipulate searches and get views where she shouldn't be getting them.

This is the keyword spamming policy:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/search-manipulation.html
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  • Brand names, celebrities, or other product details can't be specified in a listing if you're not selling an item by those brands. For example, if you're selling a Coach handbag, you can't mention Gucci or other brand-name handbags.

DId you happen to notice that her listings all state the following?
Some of the Brands that we carry are: Tumi, Filson, El Cobollo, Hartmann, Holland Sport Saddle Leather, D'Brozzi Miami, Crouch & Fitzgerald, Orvis, Gokey, Bill Amberg, Norway, JW Hulme, Force Ten, BREE, Timberland, Norm Thompson, Banana Republic, Alfred Dunhill, Tusting, Schlesinger, Eddie Bauer, Rawlings, Ghurka, Dopp, Coach USA, Bally, J.Fold, Eddie Bauer, Goldpfeil, Georgetown Leather, Briggs & Riley, Woolrich, Duluth Pack, Geoffrey Beene, Ralph Lauren, RRL, Double RL, LL Bean, Tramontano, Bellino, Saddleback, MCGUIRE NICHOLAS, Ruitertassen, Cooperstown, Village Tannery Designs, Condor Leather, LAND Leather, Carlson Leather, Outback Canyon, Joseph Daniel, JC HIGGINS, Belber Luggage, Kenneth Cole, Cole Haan, Military Dead Stock, Navy, Airforce, Marines, Tangaroa, Terrida, M. London, Phillip Corbin, Renwick, Lions Leather Products, Finnigan LTD, Insall & Son, Wheary, Branchers, Barret & Son, K. KAUFMANN, GEO LAWRENCE COMPANY, Maraolo Italy, Seeger Germany...

Luggage For classic cars: MG TC TD TF MGA MGB Austin Healey Porsch Triumph & Others
 
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Catbird9 said:
I agree and I won't be reporting it either. Seller has ended the listing and relisted, so they may be revising it. I do notice what looks like a Coach hang tag on the bag, possibly suggesting bit of wishful thinking on someone's part. :smile:
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As I'm sure you know, that's why a hangtag on its own can never be used as proof of authenticity OR UN-authenticity. You can remove, add, or switch a hangtag or tags in well under 10 seconds. An obviously fake hangtag can be additional evidence against an already obvious fake item, but on its own fake hangtags or straps or even turnlocks mean nothing, just like any other part of a bag or other item - ESPECIALLY keychains! - where pieces can be switched or replaced.
 
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BeenBurned said:
If it were just that one bag that she KWS'ed, like Hyacinth, I'd probably give the seller the benefit of the doubt. However, in looking at the listings posted by 725beautifulbags, I'm 100% certain that the seller is PURPOSELY using many unrelated key words to manipulate searches and get views where she shouldn't be getting them.

This is the keyword spamming policy:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/search-manipulation.html
iconNotAllowed_25x25.gif
--- Not allowed
  • Brand names, celebrities, or other product details can't be specified in a listing if you're not selling an item by those brands. For example, if you're selling a Coach handbag, you can't mention Gucci or other brand-name handbags.

DId you happen to notice that her listings all state the following?
Some of the Brands that we carry are: Tumi, Filson, El Cobollo, Hartmann, Holland Sport Saddle Leather, D'Brozzi Miami, Crouch & Fitzgerald, Orvis, Gokey, Bill Amberg, Norway, JW Hulme, Force Ten, BREE, Timberland, Norm Thompson, Banana Republic, Alfred Dunhill, Tusting, Schlesinger, Eddie Bauer, Rawlings, Ghurka, Dopp, Coach USA, Bally, J.Fold, Eddie Bauer, Goldpfeil, Georgetown Leather, Briggs & Riley, Woolrich, Duluth Pack, Geoffrey Beene, Ralph Lauren, RRL, Double RL, LL Bean, Tramontano, Bellino, Saddleback, MCGUIRE NICHOLAS, Ruitertassen, Cooperstown, Village Tannery Designs, Condor Leather, LAND Leather, Carlson Leather, Outback Canyon, Joseph Daniel, JC HIGGINS, Belber Luggage, Kenneth Cole, Cole Haan, Military Dead Stock, Navy, Airforce, Marines, Tangaroa, Terrida, M. London, Phillip Corbin, Renwick, Lions Leather Products, Finnigan LTD, Insall & Son, Wheary, Branchers, Barret & Son, K. KAUFMANN, GEO LAWRENCE COMPANY, Maraolo Italy, Seeger Germany...

Luggage For classic cars: MG TC TD TF MGA MGB Austin Healey Porsch Triumph & Others
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In this case, the listing of brands theey sell and are familiar with is a way to bring potential buyers to the website. But it's not blatant KWS. In my mind it's a matter of degree and intent, and the seller does seem to have a wide range of items including many of the named brands in their inventory. They're not saying "Like Coach but cheaper" or "designed by a former designer for Coach" or other KWS tricks I've seen used.

They actually have some pretty interesting stuff and if I was looking for vintage leather business items I wouldn't mind spending time looking through their listings. And NO, I have absolutely no connection with the site, I just like looking at neat vintage leather. But like I said, to each her own. I'm not trying to convince people NOT to report, I'm just saying that I've seen a lot worse and usually with Intent to Mislead or Deceive. I don't sense that here - maybe a stretching of the Rules but more along the lines of "This is who we are and what we do and what we have experience with" than an outright attempt to deceive..

YYMV.
 
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I did a search and found a post on what I would bet is this same bag from August 2013, but I want to be sure so if someone would be so kind as to authenticate (again?)

Item: Coach SHERIDAN MAYFIELD 4224 Vintage Black Brown Pebbled Leather Shoulder Bag
Listing number: 201675992224
Seller: aliciaat714
Link: http://r.ebay.com/tIeSul
Comments: also if you don't mind, could you explain the 4MM part to me since it's not the more common MYP - is it still manufacturing info?
 
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Biermama said:
I did a search and found a post on what I would bet is this same bag from August 2013, but I want to be sure so if someone would be so kind as to authenticate (again?)

Item: Coach SHERIDAN MAYFIELD 4224 Vintage Black Brown Pebbled Leather Shoulder Bag
Listing number: 201675992224
Seller: aliciaat714
Link: http://r.ebay.com/tIeSul
Comments: also if you don't mind, could you explain the 4MM part to me since it's not the more common MYP - is it still manufacturing info?
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It's authentic. The plant made a mistake in the creed, reversing the month and year.
 
#17,649
usMichigann said:
Good morning all, Do you see any problems with this bag. Thanks so much for your opinions!
jdcurtisakavintageking
Coach VTG Lenox Style Shoulder Bag/Messenger*Ivory Leather/Brass*Error Stamp*USA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-VTG-L...643678?hash=item360a09ba5e:g:8dMAAOSwFdtXx-Zw
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SAME seller: jdcurtisakavintageking
Coach Park Ocelot Print North South Tote/Shopper*F25178*Red Leather Trim*$378
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Park-...316083?hash=item4d4bdde8f3:g:qGYAAOSwOyJX7MQ1
 
#17,650
usMichigann said:
Good morning all, Do you see any problems with this bag. Thanks so much for your opinions!
jdcurtisakavintageking
Coach VTG Lenox Style Shoulder Bag/Messenger*Ivory Leather/Brass*Error Stamp*USA

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-VTG-L...643678?hash=item360a09ba5e:g:8dMAAOSwFdtXx-Zw
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The seller is completely clueless about serial and style numbers on vintage Coaches, and also about when they were made. There's nothing wrong with the serial number, but the bag is from around 1992 or 93, NOT the 1980s. And it's not a Lenox, it's a Shelton, style 9917
 
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