Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[houseof999]

Back to authenications! Found this in the shop and don't recall its provenance. So a confirm on it's authenticity would be much appreciated prior to my "business manager" finding it and either claiming it for herself, using it for a gift, or finding a caring home for it...

Item: red #9955 Trail Bag (8 x 5-1/4" x 4-1/2", permanent handle + removable adj strap with 23" max drop)

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Thanks again for the expert consult.

I need to go dig in your shop wherever that is! That bag looks like butter!

 

[BeenBurned]

I'm sorry @itscindylou . I won't comment on listings from Poshmark and its sellers for a couple of reasons.

1. I've reported hundreds (probably thousands) of fakes listed there and PM has NEVER removed a single one.
2. I've politely commented on listings for fakes referring the sellers to TPF because the items aren't authentic and sellers were welcome to 2nd or 3rd opinions. I've never seen a seller come here but I can't count the number of sellers who called me "troll," told me to f-off and blocked me from further comments.
3. After the recent discussions about how POshmark handled the very obvious fake that @houseof999 received and denied her claim, I do NOT recommend doing business with them.
4. This is just one of the BS responses from Poshmark:
http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1144#post-30622981

I can't recommend a site like Poshmark that won't remove listings for obvious fakes and has a "team of experts" who can't recognize such an obvious fake as Houseof000 received.

There are other more reputable sites that do a better job at protecting their members. I suggest buying from them.

Considering your experience with them I completely understand your stance, and I'm truly sorry for the trouble you've had. Luckily, as a Poshmark seller and buyer, I've had only positive experiences, and I intend to continue selling and buying there. I'm not asking for an endorsement of Poshmark as a whole, just authentication on one bag from one seller. Are there any other TPF authenticators willing to authenticate bags from Poshmark?

I personally haven't had problems with Poshmark because I won't patronize nor support a company that doesn't GAS about keeping a safe site. (In fact, if you search the forum for Listia, you'll see similar comments from both Hyacinth and me because we'd given our expertise free only to be smacked down by Listia's policy of not removing obvious fakes unless the seller admits it's fake or unless the seller claims not to know.

You're welcome to patronize any site you want but if you have an transaction such as that experienced by houseof999, don't be surprised if you're told, "we told you so."

Each authenticator can pick and choose which sites or which members they want to authenticate for. When I posted, I was stating MY OWN feelings about PM and those feelings stand. Hyacinth and Whateve might feel differently than I and that's their right.

Several years ago, we had a similar experience with another trash site, Listia. Here are a few posts previously made about Listia. IMO, Listia and Poshmark are worse than iOffer because at least iOffer makes no promises of being an honest site. They don't claim to protect members.
http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.818914/page-96#post-24837133

http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-649#post-29233954

http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-182#post-28212946

@BeenBurned, yesterday I tweeted to the founder of PM to look into my order. I don't know if that had anything to do with that tweet but 2 hrs after that the returns department manager emailed and sent a shipping label so they can authenticate the bag in person. I am mailing it out tomorrow. I will update and share the outcome once I hear back.

@houseof999 , while I want to be optimistic, I can't feel that way. If Poshmark had anyone with even a clue about understanding Coach, they would have recognized from just the picture of the creed that the bag is absolutely fake. I'm afraid they're going to get the bag back, their "authenticator" will feel a leather bag and deem it as authentic. Just because they have it to examine doesn't mean they'll come to the right conclusion. They've already proven their lack of knowledge.

 

[Hyacinth]

Back to authenications! Found this in the shop and don't recall its provenance. So a confirm on it's authenticity would be much appreciated prior to my "business manager" finding it and either claiming it for herself, using it for a gift, or finding a caring home for it...

Item: red #9955 Trail Bag (8 x 5-1/4" x 4-1/2", permanent handle + removable adj strap with 23" max drop)

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Thanks again for the expert consult.

All the details are right including the creed font - nice thing to find!

 

[Hyacinth]

Needing your expertise again, please kind authenticators.
Item: Vintage Coach Courier?
Size: About 10 x 9 x 5 inches.
Comments: I believe (based on the Coach guides I read according to your suggestions), that it is a pre creed style, may be late 70s? But of course I could be wrong and even the bag be a fake, that's why I need your help. TIA View attachment 3467521 View attachment 3467522 View attachment 3467523 View attachment 3467524 View attachment 3467525 View attachment 3467526

It looks fine to me.

 

[itscindylou]

I personally haven't had problems with Poshmark because I won't patronize nor support a company that doesn't GAS about keeping a safe site. (In fact, if you search the forum for Listia, you'll see similar comments from both Hyacinth and me because we'd given our expertise free only to be smacked down by Listia's policy of not removing obvious fakes unless the seller admits it's fake or unless the seller claims not to know.

You're welcome to patronize any site you want but if you have an transaction such as that experienced by houseof999, don't be surprised if you're told, "we told you so."

Each authenticator can pick and choose which sites or which members they want to authenticate for. When I posted, I was stating MY OWN feelings about PM and those feelings stand. Hyacinth and Whateve might feel differently than I and that's their right.

Several years ago, we had a similar experience with another trash site, Listia. Here are a few posts previously made about Listia. IMO, Listia and Poshmark are worse than iOffer because at least iOffer makes no promises of being an honest site. They don't claim to protect members.
http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.818914/page-96#post-24837133

http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-649#post-29233954

http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-182#post-28212946




@houseof999 , while I want to be optimistic, I can't feel that way. If Poshmark had anyone with even a clue about understanding Coach, they would have recognized from just the picture of the creed that the bag is absolutely fake. I'm afraid they're going to get the bag back, their "authenticator" will feel a leather bag and deem it as authentic. Just because they have it to examine doesn't mean they'll come to the right conclusion. They've already proven their lack of knowledge.

I apologize for my poor word choice. I was just asking if someone else would be willing to authenticate the bag.

 

[Hyacinth]

Item: Vintage Coach
Seller: gxy515
Link: https://poshmark.com/listing/Vintage-Coach-575dd9b6fbf6f97b7800d025
Thank you.

I don't recommend them either, but dealing with them is your decision. Aside from the admitted cigarette smell, I'm seeing a problem with the strap end on the right side as your looking at the front of the bag. I'd ask for clearer pictures of it, front and back, to be sure it's not damaged.

The bag in the photos is genuine but its condition needs a closer look.

 

[WishingonaCoach]

COACH cartouche imprints (like the one shown in your photo of a #8920 Large Courier Pouch) were commonly employed during the pre-creed era (specifically during the first half of the 1970s in the period after the use of small metal tags was phased out in 1971 or so). I believe that on styles which lacked interior space for the imprint, small riveted on leather COACH were used. Also, FYI: the earliest Large Courier Pouch bags were identified using the small black COACH metal tag.

It looks fine to me.

Thank you so much ladies, for the added info about the use of tags and imprints preceding the creeds, and for making me very happy with the good news. To be honest I doubted the authenticity because for a bag so old, it looks almost perfect only out of shape, but no worn anywhere and it is dark blue.

 

[itscindylou]

I don't recommend them either, but dealing with them is your decision. Aside from the admitted cigarette smell, I'm seeing a problem with the strap end on the right side as your looking at the front of the bag. I'd ask for clearer pictures of it, front and back, to be sure it's not damaged.

The bag in the photos is genuine but its condition needs a closer look.

Thank you @Hyacinth for authenticating the bag.

I thought this thread was specifically for authentifucation purposes. Am I wrong about it being strictly against the rules to comment in the condition of a bag? I'm feeling a bit bullied today because others disagree with where I choose to spend my money, either by flat out refusing to authenticate an item or breaking the rules to discourage me from making the purchase. I truly appreciate the service you provide since my own knowledge is very limited and I want to feel as secure as possible that the items I'm purchasing are genuine. However, I feel that some of the things that have been said to me today were simply uncalled for. I get that there are strong feelings among some here about Poshmark, that's been made very clear recently, and I don't deny that it's for good reason, but it's my risk to take. I asked a simple question, authentic or not. Yes or no would have sufficed. I'm positive I'll continue to buy from Poshmark, partly because my own experience with them has only been positive, and partly because the prices are generally much higher everywhere else I've looked. If I were a different person I'd just copy the sellers photos and say the bag is in my possession before asking for authentication again, but I'm not that person. If I ask about another Poshmark listing will it cause as much trouble as it did today? I sincerely want to know.

 

[Hyacinth]

Thank you @Hyacinth for authenticating the bag.

I thought this thread was specifically for authentifucation purposes. Am I wrong about it being strictly against the rules to comment in the condition of a bag? I'm feeling a bit bullied today because others disagree with where I choose to spend my money, either by flat out refusing to authenticate an item or breaking the rules to discourage me from making the purchase. I truly appreciate the service you provide since my own knowledge is very limited and I want to feel as secure as possible that the items I'm purchasing are genuine. However, I feel that some of the things that have been said to me today were simply uncalled for. I get that there are strong feelings among some here about Poshmark, that's been made very clear recently, and I don't deny that it's for good reason, but it's my risk to take. I asked a simple question, authentic or not. Yes or no would have sufficed. I'm positive I'll continue to buy from Poshmark, partly because my own experience with them has only been positive, and partly because the prices are generally much higher everywhere else I've looked. If I were a different person I'd just copy the sellers photos and say the bag is in my possession before asking for authentication again, but I'm not that person. If I ask about another Poshmark listing will it cause as much trouble as it did today? I sincerely want to know.

Pointing out possible damage is NOT a violation of the rules here. A lot of buyers don't look closely at photos and some don't even read the complete descriptions.

The regular authenticators here also have more experience with how a detail on a bag is supposed to look. For instance, if we noticed, and you HADN'T, that a bag you were asking about had had its long shoulder strap cut down by at least a foot, should we just keep quiet about it? And if you say Yes, I think that several dozen posters here who HAVE had that kind of modification or damage pointed out to them might disagree with you. We can't catch all problems but if we do spot one, we'll point it out. After that it's up to the buyer to make a decision. It's not our place or responsibility to say "Bag A SEEMS to be in better shape than Bag B from the pictures so that's the one you should buy although there's no actual problems in either set of photos".

OPINIONS on condition or condition comparisons should be made by the buyer, it's their money being spent. PROVABLE FACTS about condition problems or possible damage should be pointed out by the authenticators if we notice it. And if an authenticator feels that there's enough of a potential problem to warrant a comment or warning, that's THEIR decision. If you prefer that I DON'T point out potential problems in listings you're asking about, fine. I've written myself a note to that effect.

 

[itscindylou]

Pointing out possible damage is NOT a violation of the rules here. A lot of buyers don't look closely at photos and some don't even read the complete descriptions.

The regular authenticators here also have more experience with how a detail on a bag is supposed to look. For instance, if we noticed, and you HADN'T, that a bag you were asking about had had its long shoulder strap cut down by at least a foot, should we just keep quiet about it? And if you say Yes, I think that several dozen posters here who HAVE had that kind of modification or damage pointed out to them might disagree with you. We can't catch all problems but if we do spot one, we'll point it out. After that it's up to the buyer to make a decision. It's not our place or responsibility to say "Bag A SEEMS to be in better shape than Bag B from the pictures so that's the one you should buy although there's no actual problems in either set of photos".

OPINIONS on condition or condition comparisons should be made by the buyer, it's their money being spent. PROVABLE FACTS about condition problems or possible damage should be pointed out by the authenticators if we notice it. And if an authenticator feels that there's enough of a potential problem to warrant a comment or warning, that's THEIR decision. If you prefer that I DON'T point out potential problems in listings you're asking about, fine. I've written myself a note to that effect.

Thank you for clarifying that @Hyacinth. I hadn't thought of it that way. I would definitely appreciate a heads up in the future, if it's not too late to ask that of you after what I said. I don't want any animosity between myself and anyone here. This forum has helped me so much over the past few weeks and I'd like to have a positive rapport with everyone here if at all possible. I've felt a little beat up today, but part of that was just my own state of mind over other things. I shouldn't have let it leach into what I said here and I apologize.

 

[alansgail]

Pointing out possible damage is NOT a violation of the rules here. A lot of buyers don't look closely at photos and some don't even read the complete descriptions.

The regular authenticators here also have more experience with how a detail on a bag is supposed to look. For instance, if we noticed, and you HADN'T, that a bag you were asking about had had its long shoulder strap cut down by at least a foot, should we just keep quiet about it? And if you say Yes, I think that several dozen posters here who HAVE had that kind of modification or damage pointed out to them might disagree with you. We can't catch all problems but if we do spot one, we'll point it out. After that it's up to the buyer to make a decision. It's not our place or responsibility to say "Bag A SEEMS to be in better shape than Bag B from the pictures so that's the one you should buy although there's no actual problems in either set of photos".

OPINIONS on condition or condition comparisons should be made by the buyer, it's their money being spent. PROVABLE FACTS about condition problems or possible damage should be pointed out by the authenticators if we notice it. And if an authenticator feels that there's enough of a potential problem to warrant a comment or warning, that's THEIR decision. If you prefer that I DON'T point out potential problems in listings you're asking about, fine. I've written myself a note to that effect.

Wow, I missed that above and totally agree with Hyacinth. She's pointing out a potential problem with a bag in that it 'may' not be in it's original state which I think is admirable. She's saving you from a potential "bad buy" because the bag may have been altered. When an authenticator tells you that you may want to ask the question of your seller about that strap just to make sure.
My take is that the authenticators will state whether or not a bag is authentic but don't necessarily want to get into the whole "is it a good buy or not based on it's condition" because that's a subjective theory based on each individual bag.

 

[BeenBurned]

I'm sorry @itscindylou . I won't comment on listings from Poshmark and its sellers for a couple of reasons.

*snip*

I can't recommend a site like Poshmark that won't remove listings for obvious fakes and has a "team of experts" who can't recognize such an obvious fake as Houseof000 received.

There are other more reputable sites that do a better job at protecting their members. I suggest buying from them.

I personally haven't had problems with Poshmark because I won't patronize nor support a company that doesn't GAS about keeping a safe site.

I'm feeling a bit bullied today because others disagree with where I choose to spend my money, either by flat out refusing to authenticate an item or breaking the rules to discourage me from making the purchase.

I've felt a little beat up today, but part of that was just my own state of mind over other things. .

I'm still trying to figure out where the bullying is and why you're feeling beat up! Why did you take my opinion of Poshmark so personally?

I didn't criticize you. I didn't pick on you. I merely commented that Poshmark is a site I neither recommend nor choose to help. In giving a green light to a potential buyer, I'd be helping to pad their pockets when that buyer purchases from the site.

Again, the criticisms in my posts were only against Poshmark. I suggest you reread and see that there's nothing personal.

 

[itscindylou]

I'm still trying to figure out where the bullying is and why you're feeling beat up! Why did you take my opinion of Poshmark so personally?

I didn't criticize you. I didn't pick on you. I merely commented that Poshmark is a site I neither recommend nor choose to help. In giving a green light to a potential buyer, I'd be helping to pad their pockets when that buyer purchases from the site.

Again, the criticisms in my posts were only against Poshmark. I suggest you reread and see that there's nothing personal.

No worries. It's just me. I guess I just take things too personally. Let's just move on.

 

[houseof999]

Item: Prairie bag
Creed: E5C-9954
Seller: Neve Bischoff
Link: https://item.mercari.com/gl/m573125468/

 

[Hyacinth]

Item: Prairie bag
Creed: E5C-9954
Seller: Neve Bischoff
Link: https://item.mercari.com/gl/m573125468/

It look genuine.

I know I don't have to warn you about being careful when buying from that site.