Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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[Hyacinth]

Sorry I'm late in returning to this discussion.

In case you're interested, here are some of the style numbers I was able to come up with:
92885 - Signature lock and key KF
92072 - Rainy day KF
69939 - Pave disc KF
92631 - Script pave heart KF

For the others, I wasn't able to come up with the style numbers.

I just have the one with the Hearts and Stars as "Multicharm Keyfob", style 1628

 

[whateve]

Good evening folks. I know that there are insufficient photos for authenticating this what appears to be a #4413 Madison Gracie, but was wondering if anyone had ever before seen a Gracie or Biltmore that had this variety of what looks to be removable shoulder strap?

Item: VINTAGE COACH NAVY BLUE SMALL HANDBAG/PURSE
Listing number: 152223983072
Seller: caju6434 (2966)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/152223983072?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2648

Comments: Also, the proportions don't appear to be quite right, but that can be due to camera angle. But the strap tabs and hardware on the sides of the bag look just like the ones you'd find with the non-removable straps on styles such as the Carlyle, Spence, Chapin, Regis .... Without interior and creed photos, I suspect that all one can do is guess and suspect that this may just be another fake Madison. Perhaps something to add to your records though.

Many things wrong with that bag! Those rivets on the strap make me cringe. The side tabs do match those Coach used on styles with non-removable straps but those are all sewn, not riveted. Even if Coach had used rivets, which I can't imagine them doing at the time, they would have matched the rest of the hardware, not been painted blue. And that fat edge at the end of the strap fold wouldn't have been acceptable. The shape and proportions of the bag don't match any styles I'm aware of. The turnlock is close but not exactly the right shape or proportions either. There is another mistake I see on many fake flap bags - the sides of the bag are too high so they smash into the folded over flap tightly. On authentic bags, there is some room at the top of the bag, which allows the top of the flap to have a more graceful rounded fold. Madisons have a distinctive curved back pocket; this one is straight across. The bottom corners are too rounded.

 

[Hyacinth]

Good evening folks. I know that there are insufficient photos for authenticating this what appears to be a #4413 Madison Gracie, but was wondering if anyone had ever before seen a Gracie or Biltmore that had this variety of what looks to be removable shoulder strap?

Item: VINTAGE COACH NAVY BLUE SMALL HANDBAG/PURSE
Listing number: 152223983072
Seller: caju6434 (2966)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/152223983072?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2648

Comments: Also, the proportions don't appear to be quite right, but that can be due to camera angle. But the strap tabs and hardware on the sides of the bag look just like the ones you'd find with the non-removable straps on styles such as the Carlyle, Spence, Chapin, Regis .... Without interior and creed photos, I suspect that all one can do is guess and suspect that this may just be another fake Madison. Perhaps something to add to your records though.

As you said, there's no way to tell without seeing the inside of the bag and the creed. It's possible that a really good shoemaker could have modified the original strap for a side attachment, but I doubt it. The seller's description of the inside is a problem though, they say "THE INSIDE HAS ONE ZIPPER COMPARTMENT AND TWO OTHER FULL SIZE COMPARTMENTS" which doesn't fit either the 4413 Gracie or the slightly larger 4417 Biltmore, both of which are described as having only "back open and inside zipper pockets". Neither has "two other full-size compartments". My gut says Fake but there's no way to prove it without more photos. Here's the 4413 Gracie and a pic of the Biltmore in Garnet showing the same under-flap strap fastening and interior layout.

View attachment 3454146

ETA - and of course, that's not a genuine Madison hangtag, although it's the same leather texture as the fake bag. The leather looks more like Pebbled than Caviar.

 

[JOODLZ]

Could someone please authenticate this Coach wallet?
From GW…
Approx. 7.75"w x 4"h x 1.5"d closed. 7.75"w x 11.75"h open.
A Madison Optic C Flap Wallet? Any other info is much appreciated…Thanks in advance, as always!

 

[JOODLZ]

And this Coach bag…also from GW?
Approx. 13"w x 13"h x 3.5"d. Straps drop 10.5" I had never seen a hangtag with the creed stamped on the back!
A 2010 metallic Julia Op Art Perry Tote #14967?
Thanks again!

 

[JOODLZ]

And this Coach belt…from GW?

 

[JOODLZ]

And last of all for today…
This goodie was originally marked $39.99 at GW…no takers. Marked down to $9.99 and I had a 25% off coupon…yay!
Approx. 3.5" triangle x .875:d closed.
1996 USA Olympics (Atlanta) Special Edition coin purse? Doesn't look like it was ever used!
Thanks in advance!

 

[sanzo_reload]

Hi, can someone pls help to authenticate the bag below. Many many thanks!

Item: Disney x Coach Mickey Kisslock Bag in Glovetanned Leather
Listing number: N/A
Seller: mylove_forbags
Link: https://carousell.com/p/59623005/
Comments: I'm really interested to buy this bag, but I think I saw some people started selling the so-called fakes/"premium"/mirror quality of this bag, so I'm just worried of getting this online. But it's all sold out on coach website (T-T) Why do fakes exists??

 

[Catbird9]

Good evening folks. I know that there are insufficient photos for authenticating this what appears to be a #4413 Madison Gracie, but was wondering if anyone had ever before seen a Gracie or Biltmore that had this variety of what looks to be removable shoulder strap?

Item: VINTAGE COACH NAVY BLUE SMALL HANDBAG/PURSE
Listing number: 152223983072
Seller: caju6434 (2966)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/152223983072?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2648

Comments: Also, the proportions don't appear to be quite right, but that can be due to camera angle. But the strap tabs and hardware on the sides of the bag look just like the ones you'd find with the non-removable straps on styles such as the Carlyle, Spence, Chapin, Regis .... Without interior and creed photos, I suspect that all one can do is guess and suspect that this may just be another fake Madison. Perhaps something to add to your records though.

Many things wrong with that bag! Those rivets on the strap make me cringe. The side tabs do match those Coach used on styles with non-removable straps but those are all sewn, not riveted. Even if Coach had used rivets, which I can't imagine them doing at the time, they would have matched the rest of the hardware, not been painted blue. And that fat edge at the end of the strap fold wouldn't have been acceptable. The shape and proportions of the bag don't match any styles I'm aware of. The turnlock is close but not exactly the right shape or proportions either. There is another mistake I see on many fake flap bags - the sides of the bag are too high so they smash into the folded over flap tightly. On authentic bags, there is some room at the top of the bag, which allows the top of the flap to have a more graceful rounded fold. Madisons have a distinctive curved back pocket; this one is straight across. The bottom corners are too rounded.

As you said, there's no way to tell without seeing the inside of the bag and the creed. It's possible that a really good shoemaker could have modified the original strap for a side attachment, but I doubt it. The seller's description of the inside is a problem though, they say "THE INSIDE HAS ONE ZIPPER COMPARTMENT AND TWO OTHER FULL SIZE COMPARTMENTS" which doesn't fit either the 4413 Gracie or the slightly larger 4417 Biltmore, both of which are described as having only "back open and inside zipper pockets". Neither has "two other full-size compartments". My gut says Fake but there's no way to prove it without more photos. Here's the 4413 Gracie and a pic of the Biltmore in Garnet showing the same under-flap strap fastening and interior layout.

View attachment 3454146

ETA - and of course, that's not a genuine Madison hangtag, although it's the same leather texture as the fake bag. The leather looks more like Pebbled than Caviar.

The seller has posted a pic of the creed. GAD 4437. Case closed!

 

[BeenBurned]

Good evening folks. I know that there are insufficient photos for authenticating this what appears to be a #4413 Madison Gracie, but was wondering if anyone had ever before seen a Gracie or Biltmore that had this variety of what looks to be removable shoulder strap?

Item: VINTAGE COACH NAVY BLUE SMALL HANDBAG/PURSE
Listing number: 152223983072
Seller: caju6434 (2966)
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/152223983072?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2648

Comments: Also, the proportions don't appear to be quite right, but that can be due to camera angle. But the strap tabs and hardware on the sides of the bag look just like the ones you'd find with the non-removable straps on styles such as the Carlyle, Spence, Chapin, Regis .... Without interior and creed photos, I suspect that all one can do is guess and suspect that this may just be another fake Madison. Perhaps something to add to your records though.

Many things wrong with that bag! Those rivets on the strap make me cringe. The side tabs do match those Coach used on styles with non-removable straps but those are all sewn, not riveted. Even if Coach had used rivets, which I can't imagine them doing at the time, they would have matched the rest of the hardware, not been painted blue. And that fat edge at the end of the strap fold wouldn't have been acceptable. The shape and proportions of the bag don't match any styles I'm aware of. The turnlock is close but not exactly the right shape or proportions either. There is another mistake I see on many fake flap bags - the sides of the bag are too high so they smash into the folded over flap tightly. On authentic bags, there is some room at the top of the bag, which allows the top of the flap to have a more graceful rounded fold. Madisons have a distinctive curved back pocket; this one is straight across. The bottom corners are too rounded.

As you said, there's no way to tell without seeing the inside of the bag and the creed. It's possible that a really good shoemaker could have modified the original strap for a side attachment, but I doubt it. The seller's description of the inside is a problem though, they say "THE INSIDE HAS ONE ZIPPER COMPARTMENT AND TWO OTHER FULL SIZE COMPARTMENTS" which doesn't fit either the 4413 Gracie or the slightly larger 4417 Biltmore, both of which are described as having only "back open and inside zipper pockets". Neither has "two other full-size compartments". My gut says Fake but there's no way to prove it without more photos. Here's the 4413 Gracie and a pic of the Biltmore in Garnet showing the same under-flap strap fastening and interior layout.

View attachment 3454146

ETA - and of course, that's not a genuine Madison hangtag, although it's the same leather texture as the fake bag. The leather looks more like Pebbled than Caviar.

Yup, there's a way to prove it!!(ETA: I posted before seeing that Catbird mentioned the creed having been added.)

And while we're on the subject of caju6434, it's worth noting that she also has this fake which isn't what 9931 should look like:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLACK-LEATH...994861?hash=item237141d3ed:g:dTQAAOSwgmJXxawG

The creed is there and the serial number is a known invalid one: GAD-4437

 

[BeenBurned]

Could someone please authenticate this Coach wallet?
From GW…
Approx. 7.75"w x 4"h x 1.5"d closed. 7.75"w x 11.75"h open.
A Madison Optic C Flap Wallet? Any other info is much appreciated…Thanks in advance, as always!View attachment 3454293View attachment 3454294View attachment 3454295View attachment 3454296View attachment 3454297View attachment 3454298

It's called Madison dotted checkbook wallet (style 44435, original $228) but it looks like you're missing the checkbook insert.

 

[BeenBurned]

And this Coach bag…also from GW?
Approx. 13"w x 13"h x 3.5"d. Straps drop 10.5" I had never seen a hangtag with the creed stamped on the back!View attachment 3454299View attachment 3454300View attachment 3454301View attachment 3454302View attachment 3454303View attachment 3454304View attachment 3454305
A 2010 metallic Julia Op Art Perry Tote #14967?
Thanks again!

Authentic.

And this Coach belt…from GW?View attachment 3454306View attachment 3454307

Authentic.

And last of all for today…
This goodie was originally marked $39.99 at GW…no takers. Marked down to $9.99 and I had a 25% off coupon…yay!
Approx. 3.5" triangle x .875:d closed.
1996 USA Olympics (Atlanta) Special Edition coin purse? Doesn't look like it was ever used!
Thanks in advance!View attachment 3454308View attachment 3454309View attachment 3454310View attachment 3454311

Authentic and cute!

 

[go2girl99]

And last of all for today…
This goodie was originally marked $39.99 at GW…no takers. Marked down to $9.99 and I had a 25% off coupon…yay!
Approx. 3.5" triangle x .875:d closed.
1996 USA Olympics (Atlanta) Special Edition coin purse? Doesn't look like it was ever used!
Thanks in advance!View attachment 3454308View attachment 3454309View attachment 3454310View attachment 3454311

WOW...so cool.....awesome find!!

 

[Tracemilian]

NEED HELP WITH AUTHENTICATION PLEASE!
New Member so if this is posted wrong or in the wrong place I apologize.
Bought on e-bay for Niece, took to 2 Coach stores (1 outlet, 1 retail). They no longer authenticate yadda, yadda but hint, wink, nudge it is fake. Returned SNAD and seller is adamantly insisting (quite convincingly) it was bought by her at a Coach store in 2008. If it is authentic I would like to close the return and just let her keep the bag and money for inconveniencing her. Any help is greatly appreciated. Link to closed/sold e-bay listing is http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Mini-Purse-Blue-And-White-/152168474041?nma=true&hash=item236df2a5b9:g:~s4AAOSwbYZXY10Q&si=lSQ6d53kUtIwKemhMF8BLFr8vsg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 ....not about the money. The ones that INSIST it is real and they bought it at a Coach store in order to fight the return, that are lying really get to me. Most simply accept the return and walk away and if I am going to fight it any harder I would like some sort of info to back it up as it is a "wristlet" I guess without any style # that I can find. Again, if I did this incorrectly please delete and accept my apologies. I will learn the purse forum etiquette as quickly as I can...LOL.

 

[JOODLZ]

It's called Madison dotted checkbook wallet (style 44435, original $228) but it looks like you're missing the checkbook insert.

Authentic.

Authentic.

Authentic and cute!

YAY…I finally MULTI-QUOTED
About the wallet…would the checkbook insert fit into the bottom panel when opened? If so, wouldn't it cover a bunch of card slots?

Thanks for everything!