Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
    Comments:
BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#16,186
Hi Whateve,
Thanks again for taking the time to re-look the items and research on the wristlet! Sorry I forgot to put up the info on the seller as I was preoccupied in trying to put up more photos . I bought the items from an online shopping platform in Singapore, called Qoo10. Seller is US-Direct, NJ.
Link for wristlet:
http://list.qoo10.sg/item/COACH-COA...LLA-WRISTLETS-COACH-LEATHER-CLEANER/432068172
Link for wallet:
http://list.qoo10.sg/item/COACH-ONL...CHANCE-COACH-BIG-SALE-100-AUTHENTIC/432077449

I felt his items were questionable as when I asked him about the style difference from what I received and what he listed, his shocking reply was the item should actually be F66449. Indirectly saying Coach made a manufacturing mistake of sewing the wrong style code and placing a wrong price tag! Moreover, when I asked for proof of purchase, he couldn't provide. He gave so many reasons, insisting that it is impossible to sell counterfeits in US, insisting that there was a mistake in the style code, that after he checked, the wristlet should be F66449 and not F53429. I find it baffling that he doesn't have paper work for so many items that he is selling online? Surely he has invoices or receipts for purchasing the items? Initially he would not accept return of the items until I said I would send all info to coach anti- counterfeits team if he could not produce valid proof of authenticity. Only then did he relent and accept the returns with the help of Qoo10's compliance team. At the same time, I seeked help here as I do not want to wrongly accuse someone of wrong doings either. If the items are indeed authentic then I would not return and make him refund.

Thanks so much for your kind assistance! It was really bothering me as I purchase a lot from the shopping portal.
 
#16,188
Bisou77 said:
Hihi,

Can someone please help authenticate the following Items:
Item: Coach corner zip wristlet F53429
Bought online from a seller that claims they sell only 100% authentic items. But I feel it is not authentic as F53429 was supposed to come with a removable dog leash strap(which was shown in the listing) but what I received is a fixed strap version.

Item: Coach Slim Envelope Wallet with pouch F52628
Purchased from the same seller. Coin zip inside wallet used is 'Ideal', not 'ykk', gold print 'New York' on pouch is barely noticeable. Both item's price tag has the same production/manufacture code(?) 225271JAX. Is that even possible?

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whateve said:
Can you post the name of the seller and a link to the online listings?
I'm not seeing any F53429s with removable straps. I've seen cases where Coach changes the specs and keeps the same style number for different production runs, so it is possible they did make a version with a removable strap. If the seller claimed it was removable and it isn't, you can open a SNAD claim.

Zipper manufacturer makes no difference; Coach has used many different brands. I don't know what the number that ends in JAX. It isn't something we use to authenticate. The style numbers on the price tags are correct.

I'm not seeing any problems with either item.
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Somehow I'd missed your posts so my response is late. I agree that both items are fine.

(I'd already typed the following before seeing that Whateve made similar comments so I'll leave my thoughts as confirmation that we both agree.)

Note that even if the strap had a trigger clip at one end, it wouldn't be removable; only the trigger end detaches allowing the bag to be used as a wristlet or as a mini purse, depending whether it's attached at the fixed end or the opposite side.

It looks like Coach made 2 versions of the same item, one with both ends fixed and the other with a trigger clip on one end and the other end fixed.
 
#16,190
Bisou77 said:
Hi Whateve,
Thanks again for taking the time to re-look the items and research on the wristlet! Sorry I forgot to put up the info on the seller as I was preoccupied in trying to put up more photos . I bought the items from an online shopping platform in Singapore, called Qoo10. Seller is US-Direct, NJ.
Link for wristlet:
http://list.qoo10.sg/item/COACH-COA...LLA-WRISTLETS-COACH-LEATHER-CLEANER/432068172
Link for wallet:
http://list.qoo10.sg/item/COACH-ONL...CHANCE-COACH-BIG-SALE-100-AUTHENTIC/432077449
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The pictures shown on that site are stock photos and Coach doesn't usually produce double stock photos for items where there are 2 different versions of the same style. Thus, this explains the difference between what was shown and what you received. (It also reinforces our emphasis on how important is is for sellers to photograph their own actual items so buyers can see and know exactly what to expect.)
Bisou77 said:
I felt his items were questionable as when I asked him about the style difference from what I received and what he listed, his shocking reply was the item should actually be F66449. Indirectly saying Coach made a manufacturing mistake of sewing the wrong style code and placing a wrong price tag! Moreover, when I asked for proof of purchase, he couldn't provide. He gave so many reasons, insisting that it is impossible to sell counterfeits in US, insisting that there was a mistake in the style code, that after he checked, the wristlet should be F66449 and not F53429. I find it baffling that he doesn't have paper work for so many items that he is selling online? Surely he has invoices or receipts for purchasing the items? Initially he would not accept return of the items until I said I would send all info to coach anti- counterfeits team if he could not produce valid proof of authenticity. Only then did he relent and accept the returns with the help of Qoo10's compliance team. At the same time, I seeked help here as I do not want to wrongly accuse someone of wrong doings either. If the items are indeed authentic then I would not return and make him refund.

Thanks so much for your kind assistance! It was really bothering me as I purchase a lot from the shopping portal.
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I don't know the site qoo10 so I'm not sure whether it's like ebay where many different sellers list their own items but I'm assuming that's the case.

And if so, it's fairly understandable that the seller might not know a lot about the items other than that she buys from a presumably honest seller. Many sellers in Singapore, Malaysia and other Asian countries use US-based sellers who take orders and shop American outlet stores for them. (Apparently it's less expensive for resellers in Asia to buy their inventory from US sellers than it is to source their items from their own country.) So if your seller's only knowledge of Coach is her American source, all she knows is that the items are authentic. (This assumes she uses one of the trustworthy American sellers.)

But since your seller wasn't the original buyer and most US resellers don't supply receipts, it's understandable that your seller wouldn't have original Coach receipts and even if she did have them, chances are she wouldn't share them because she doesn't want her buyers to know how much she paid and how much profit she's making. (Remember, resellers expect to make a profit on their items so they mark them up - totally legal.)

Again, your items are authentic.
 
#16,191
midori_bluez said:
I have bidded successfully for the Coach Mickey bag but have yet made payment. Would like some opinions about the authenticity of this bag.

Item: COACH x Disney Mickey Saddle Bag 23 in Glovetanned Leather 38421 Limited Edition
Listing number: 291827376476
Seller: coc_devo
Link: http://m.ebay.com.sg/itm/291827376476?_mwBanner=1

Thanks in advance! :smile:
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The seller's listings don't show enough pictures to authenticate. Please refer to post #1 for the pictures we need.
http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/

For this listing, I'd want to see the tag, any labels or tags sewn into the lining and the creed.

I have another concern. Based on some of the feedbacks received by the seller and the shipping time, it looks the seller might be buying the products after making her sales. The problem would be if you buy the bag then she's unable to find one at the store.
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=coc_devo&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home
 
#16,192
BeenBurned said:
The pictures shown on that site are stock photos and Coach doesn't usually produce double stock photos for items where there are 2 different versions of the same style. Thus, this explains the difference between what was shown and what you received. (It also reinforces our emphasis on how important is is for sellers to photograph their own actual items so buyers can see and know exactly what to expect.)

I don't know the site qoo10 so I'm not sure whether it's like ebay where many different sellers list their own items but I'm assuming that's the case.

And if so, it's fairly understandable that the seller might not know a lot about the items other than that she buys from a presumably honest seller. Many sellers in Singapore, Malaysia and other Asian countries use US-based sellers who take orders and shop American outlet stores for them. (Apparently it's less expensive for resellers in Asia to buy their inventory from US sellers than it is to source their items from their own country.) So if your seller's only knowledge of Coach is her American source, all she knows is that the items are authentic. (This assumes she uses one of the trustworthy American sellers.)

But since your seller wasn't the original buyer and most US resellers don't supply receipts, it's understandable that your seller wouldn't have original Coach receipts and even if she did have them, chances are she wouldn't share them because she doesn't want her buyers to know how much she paid and how much profit she's making. (Remember, resellers expect to make a profit on their items so they mark them up - totally legal.)

Again, your items are authentic.
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Hi BeenBurned,
Thanks for clearing my doubts! If only the seller had bothered to check his supplies and gave me sensible explanations like you ladies do instead of discrediting himself by saying the style # sewn is wrong and just saying that it is common for items from coach outlets to bear wrong tags, have defects and are of lower quality.
Yes, you are correct. Qoo10 is a shopping platform where many different sellers from Singapore, Korea, Japan China and US list items for sale. Apparently, US-Direct is a US based seller. He claims his goods are purchased directly from Coach outlets, factory outlets and online. Thus I expected receipts or gift receipts like other sellers who provided them from my previous purchases of Coach, Kate Spade or Longchamp products to show their authenticity. Those sellers usually provided gift receipts or actual receipts with price paid blacked out. I totally understand that sellers do not want buyers to know how much they make. But to online buyers(especially like me who can't really tell by looking at the item if it is authentic or not), that's the only thing that shows where the products were procured. Therefore, am so glad I found this forum with helpful experts! Once again, thanks so much Whateve and Beenburned for your help!
 
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BeenBurned said:
The seller's listings don't show enough pictures to authenticate. Please refer to post #1 for the pictures we need.
http://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/

For this listing, I'd want to see the tag, any labels or tags sewn into the lining and the creed.

I have another concern. Based on some of the feedbacks received by the seller and the shipping time, it looks the seller might be buying the products after making her sales. The problem would be if you buy the bag then she's unable to find one at the store.
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=coc_devo&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home
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Thanks for your advice.
I'll try to get more photos from the seller.
I did ask her to share photo of the receipt before payment.
Now waiting for her reply.
Hopefully all will be good.
 
#16,194
I've got another vintage bag here, I've been sitting on this one for a while. I suspect it isn't authentic, but would like confirmation before I toss it.

Item: Black Prairie (?) Bag
Notes: 8.5"x6.5"x.3.5". the creed is not stamped well, I cannot make out the numbers. Very shallow, uneven stamping. Also, the turnlock hardware doesn't seem right, the back plate has indents. And shouldn't the front turnlock piece be accessible and not covered up with leather? Lastly, the zipper pull is silver.
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#16,195
rkiz said:
I've got another vintage bag here, I've been sitting on this one for a while. I suspect it isn't authentic, but would like confirmation before I toss it.

Item: Black Prairie (?) Bag
Notes: 8.5"x6.5"x.3.5". the creed is not stamped well, I cannot make out the numbers. Very shallow, uneven stamping. Also, the turnlock hardware doesn't seem right, the back plate has indents. And shouldn't the front turnlock piece be accessible and not covered up with leather? Lastly, the zipper pull is silver.
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We really need to see a photo of the entire creed stamp and serial number, but right now I'm seeing 2 details that don't look good, the turnlock front and back both have problems, the ones you mentioned plus at least one more. There's at least one problem with the strap too, maybe more.
 
#16,197
Hyacinth said:
We really need to see a photo of the entire creed stamp and serial number, but right now I'm seeing 2 details that don't look good, the turnlock front and back both have problems, the ones you mentioned plus at least one more. There's at least one problem with the strap too, maybe more.
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Here's two more, one with some powder for visibility. The creed is so bad it's really hard to read. The best I can tell, the first three digits read M4N, but the rest is illegible :(IMG_1470190894.184331.jpgIMG_1470190955.617157.jpg
 
#16,200
Bisou77 said:
Hi BeenBurned,
Thanks for clearing my doubts! If only the seller had bothered to check his supplies and gave me sensible explanations like you ladies do instead of discrediting himself by saying the style # sewn is wrong and just saying that it is common for items from coach outlets to bear wrong tags, have defects and are of lower quality.
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LOL! Unfortunately, there are very few sellers who are OCD enough to know as much information as the shallow purse obsessed authenticators among us! And 99% of the time, that type of knowledge isn't necessary. It's not necessary to learn to recognize fakes vs. authentic items and it's certainly not necessary when the seller buys her inventory from Coach outlets. Heck, even Coach employees don't know how to read serial numbers so they certainly can't tell you whether an item has a Coach "mistake" or not.

Bisou77 said:
Apparently, US-Direct is a US based seller. He claims his goods are purchased directly from Coach outlets, factory outlets and online. Thus I expected receipts or gift receipts like other sellers who provided them from my previous purchases of Coach, Kate Spade or Longchamp products to show their authenticity. Those sellers usually provided gift receipts or actual receipts with price paid blacked out. I totally understand that sellers do not want buyers to know how much they make. But to online buyers(especially like me who can't really tell by looking at the item if it is authentic or not), that's the only thing that shows where the products were procured.
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Be careful depending on receipts to prove authenticity. When we authenticate, we barely look at props like tags and receipts. Tags and receipts are faked and it's not unheard of for dishonest sellers to use genuine receipts to "prove" authenticity of their fakes. When we authenticate, it's the details of the actual items that we scrutinize.
 
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