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I think most people get skin type and skin condition confused.

Skin type is purely based on genetic factors and never could be changed. Eg. If you have combination skin, which means you will always have it. You can go to a facialist and have your skin diagnosed under a woods lamp and she will tell you what your skin type is. Try whatever products you like, for as long as you like then go back to your facilist see if your skin type really changes.

Skin condition is based on environment, diet, life style and etc like some of you said. Skin condition can be changed. Eg. Dehydration and acne are both skin conditions and it reflects your internal health and external environment. If you are dehydrated then it means you are exposed in the sun for too long, too much air conditioning or not drinking enough water. If you have bad digestive system then you normally get acne on your jaw line. Skin condition needs to be treated both internally and externally. Skin type, again, can’t be changed. You only can get your dryness and your oil under control and that’s about it.

General skin care products (cleanser, toner, moisturizer) direct you with skin types, not conditions. If some people still think your skin type/structure has nothing to do with your race then whatever I guess. I've given enough examples in previous posts.

BTW, “different races have different skin” doesn’t mean I’m generalizing Asians has
I never said same race has same skin. Just so you know.

Could someone please tell me how Clarins work for Japanese, Chinese and Korean skin (I'm avoiding generalizing all asians) ?
 
I've heard some very bad things about SKII from people working in the beauty world so I'd stay away from SKII.

Go for Shiseido...I've tried it myself (I liked it!) and have heard great reviews about it. It also offers a wide range of products for different skin-types.

hi toiletduck, what have you heard is bad about SKII? just wondering since i was thinking about trying out their line. tia!
 
DON'T Ever go to BK Clinic in Seoul ruined my face: HORROR STORY

I researched BK Clinic in Seoul to get my plastic surgery procedure done. They seemed to have a clean website, they spoke fairly good English, and their prices were competitive. What I couldn't find were testimonials on their site. I didn't quite know what the feedback from actual patients were which was quite unsettling as they seemed to be a corporate giant with no comments from actual patients. Anyways, I was planning to visit Seoul so I went ahead and set up an appointment.

The first time I walked in was for a consultation. The lobby was filled with patients who were complaining about their procedure. One lady walked into the office and said that the bandages on her face were not properly placed therefore fluid was leaking out. Another lady walked in and demanded for a doctor because the implant in her nose was slowly receding to the side of nose. At that point, I wanted to jump off the couch and walk out of the clinic but I had already put down a deposit of 50,000 Won so I decided to wait and at least see the doctor before jumping to conclusions.

First I was ushered to a room where a "consultant" not the doctor analyzed my face and suggested what work I should get done. I clearly told her that I just wanted my lips augmented but she went on with her evaluation. She wasn't pushy but she had a way of making you feel that you "needed" work done in areas you didn't really want. For example, I have a pretty straight nose but she suggested that I get a tip-plasty and a silicone implant to heighten it. I adamantly refused.

Then she said my eyes were rather small and suggested that I "elongate it" by getting a medial epicanthoplasty. I had never heard of it. She explained the procedure to me assuring me that "many" patients get it and that it was totally natural and common. I refused and said I only wanted my lips augmented.

She said I would need to get fat graft from my abdomen and transfer the fat to plump up my lips. As she said, "it is the only way to achieve the natural look" I was thinking juvederm or restylane would have been simple method but she said they were not natural but synthetic therefore potentially harmful. (In retrospect, she was trying to make more money for the clinic. As I later found out fat graft is 3 times the cost of fillers and both achieve the same effect.)

I eventually agreed but I didn't understand why I would have to go under total anesthesia for lip augmentation. She said they would need to numb my stomach area and extract fat. She agreed it was pretty intense for lip augmentation so she said I should get cheek augmentation as well.

I never considered it but she brought the mirror up to my face and showed me that my cheeks were hollow. She said it would give me a more "youthful" look which was ironic because I was only 22. Then she retracted her comment and said "most young people get it to heighten their cheekbones, you know to achieve the western look."

So after coaxing me for about an hour, I agreed to the procedure and my total cost went from $1,500 to $3,000. She said that getting two procedures done would be better because I "needed" the cheek improvement and that I might as well get it now than later since I would have to go through the pain and downtime twice.

I then asked, when I was going to see the doctor. She paused and went "Oh you wanted to the see the doctor?" I was surprised. Yes, I would like to see the person who is performing surgery on my face. She grew impatient and said he would say the same thing. After seeing that I was not satisfied, she abruptly left the room.

When I met the doctor, he was uninterested, tired, and bored. I would assume after performing on so many people. He seemed to view it as another procedure rather than another patient. He barely answered my questions and agreed to what the consultant said over his shoulder and nodded his head.

I was then told to head back to the lobby. I was given a card and told to go home and come back on the day of surgery. Everything that I went through would have been easily forgiven if not for the results of my surgery. What happened next is every patient's nightmare.

On surgery day, I was rudely escorted to the operation room and the doctor nowhere in sight. They injected some fluids into me and put me under anesthesia.

The next thing I know, I wake up with my face fully bandaged and my stomach feeling like a ton of brick fell upon it. The nurses told me it was totally natural and told me to go to the waiting area. I was literally told to get off the operation table and walk myself out of the room because they had to clear it for the next incoming patient. This is when I knew this place was like a factory with people moving in and out like a conveyor belt. I was disgusted.

I went to another room with three makeshift cots crammed in one room. The beds were already occupied so I settled myself down on a steel chair (right after having surgery they couldn't even provide a laying area.) Finally when a patient vacated the bed, I got to lay down for the first time but about 30 minutes later a nurse came in and said "I was good to go" and that I should leave since there are other patients waiting. I was appalled. I got myself out of bed, undressed, and left the clinic with no assistance. You would think after having fat removed from your abdomen and having stitches they would provide a wheelchair.

As I said before, up to this point, everything could have been forgiven only if my results were satisfactory. However, they were FAR from satisfactory, my face currently looks botched up by unnecessary fat injections on my face. My face is asymmetrical because the doctor applied fat right above my cheekbone instead below, making me look like the bride of Chucky. My lips are asymmetrical as well because he put more fat into one side than the other. So people ask me why I am smirking all the time! I purposely have add more lipstick on one side. My volume of my lips has not changed at all as the fat has reabsorbed into my body in a matter of a few days.

The only thing left is a crooked smile and disfigured cheeks which show signs of small bumps in the light. I called the clinic multiple times but they were unresponsive. They are fully aware that I can't visit their office because I am overseas in the U.S. and they took full advantage of it.

Finally, when I threatened to visit them, the doctor was put on the line and told me he would re-perform the surgery. I refused and asked for my money back. He said he could not do that. If this surgery was performed in the states, I would sue them through and through for medical malpractice and emotional distress but I know nothing about Korea and their laws which puts me in a very difficult and frustrating position.

I consulted with a plastic surgeon in the states and he said the doctor who performed surgery was not experienced and skilled in fat injections. He told me NOT trust this doctor and recommended that I no longer receive any services from him.

At this point, I regret ever going BK Clinic. Not only is my face disfigured, I can do nothing about it. I don't know how to sue in a foreign country and they know it. All I can do is wait until it "settles" and consider reconstructive surgery later in the future. More than anything, I am so angry that I went ahead with the surgery when all the signs were so clear to me in the beginining.

1.) Crowded area with too many patients and too few staff
2.) Complaining patients who were brushed off with false assurances
3.) Marketing procedures a patient does not need or want
4.) Price inflation on surgery procedure
5.) Absence of the doctor performing surgery
6.) Grandiose Advertising and Promotions
7.) Lack of customer service or consideration pre-op and post-op
8.) Ruining someone's appearance and NOT taking responsibility for it.

I called around to other Plastic Surgery Clinics in Seoul to see if the behavior at BK was what was considered normal in Korea and they were very responsive. Both Oz and Rosee Clinic offer full refund of your money and take responsibility if the procedure goes wrong or not to the patient's satisfaction.

These are the clinics I called:
Rosee Plastic Surgery
Oz Plastic Surgery

For anyone considering plastic surgery, I would advise to do your research.

1.) Do it in your home country, so as a consumer you know your rights
If you do it overseas, thinking they are more skilled or cheaper you are dead wrong.
Problems arising from overseas plastic surgery is 10 times worse since you are a foreigner.

2.) Do you research. Just because the place is well-known, popular, or have an established website DOES NOT mean they are skilled at what they do. What it means is, that they invested alot of money on PR and advertising to make their clinic seem so. The best way to find out if a clinic is trust worthy is from references through friends or family who personally had a procedure done at the place.

3.) Do not settle for less. Ask for the doctor during your consultation and no one else. If the place seems like a conveyor belt, get the hell out. They don't care about your well-being you're just a number. They care about your money and how soon they can get you in and out.
 
If you have bad digestive system then you normally get acne on your jaw line. Skin condition needs to be treated both internally and externally.

When I read this I thought, "Huh, I mostly breakout on my jawline...this makes sense." PhoebeG, when you say bad digestive system do you mean not enough water, fruits, veg, vitamins, etc?
 
I think most people get skin type and skin condition confused.

Skin type is purely based on genetic factors and never could be changed. Eg. If you have combination skin, which means you will always have it. You can go to a facialist and have your skin diagnosed under a woods lamp and she will tell you what your skin type is. Try whatever products you like, for as long as you like then go back to your facilist see if your skin type really changes.

Skin condition is based on environment, diet, life style and etc like some of you said. Skin condition can be changed. Eg. Dehydration and acne are both skin conditions and it reflects your internal health and external environment. If you are dehydrated then it means you are exposed in the sun for too long, too much air conditioning or not drinking enough water. If you have bad digestive system then you normally get acne on your jaw line. Skin condition needs to be treated both internally and externally. Skin type, again, can’t be changed. You only can get your dryness and your oil under control and that’s about it.

General skin care products (cleanser, toner, moisturizer) direct you with skin types, not conditions. If some people still think your skin type/structure has nothing to do with your race then whatever I guess. I've given enough examples in previous posts.

BTW, “different races have different skin” doesn’t mean I’m generalizing Asians has
I never said same race has same skin. Just so you know.

Could someone please tell me how Clarins work for Japanese, Chinese and Korean skin (I'm avoiding generalizing all asians) ?
I am using Clarins right now, and for everyone's information I am Chinese grown up in Canada, so facing all the dilemma that arose this heated debate :)

Anyway. Clarins works wonders for me. I am using the Lotus Oil to rebalance my skin. I have oily/acne prone skin and the Lotus Oil is advertised to normalize your skin to make it less problematic. It also claims that it should reduce the size of pores. So far, I've used it for about a week and I can say that I see a difference :)

I don't know about you guys, but i have a few bumps on my face, specifically in the area below my eyes. These bumps don't do much, they don't hurt or itch and don't lead to future pimples but they are there. After using the Lotus Oil, they practically disappeared! As for the size of pores I haven't seen any results yet but hey, I wasn't expecting any after such short times!

Other than this oil, I have this Multi-Active Day cream but still haven't gotten the chance to try it out cuz I'm so happy with my Clinique for a day cream :)

I hope this helps! (for those of you who are not Chinese & living in Canada :P no offence please)
 
I agree that most korean actresses are probably using nonkorean skincare.....but some popular korean skincare lines would be sulwhasoo, lg whoo, and amore pacific. And those actresses, their skin look so good not because of skin care but all the facials and derm appts! Derm procedures in korea are very popular (and I get them too whenver I'm visiting) and it def. helps!
 
Asian Male Here. My opinion:

I must say that I was skeptical about the Made from Earth Vitamin Enhanced Moisturizer - but for the low price versus department store cosmetics, figured it was worth a try. Amazingly, it really works quite well and MY WIFE LOVES IT!

After a few weeks, people were commenting that she looked less tired, asked if she had lost weight, been exercising or on vacation. Since it works gradually over a few weeks, you notice a bit of difference yourself, but the people who don't see you that often really notice a dramatic change. Smaller wrinkles are smoothed out and disappear completely, while large ones get smaller.

It won't make a 69 year old look 20, but definitely takes off a decade of wear and tear. Oh, my wife is also asian too and it works wonders. Highly recommended.

I am also going to try the Made from Earth Rooibos Tea Face Scrub next and I will let you know how it goes.
 
Asian Male Here. My opinion:

I must say that I was skeptical about the Made from Earth Vitamin Enhanced Moisturizer - but for the low price versus department store cosmetics, figured it was worth a try. Amazingly, it really works quite well and MY WIFE LOVES IT!

After a few weeks, people were commenting that she looked less tired, asked if she had lost weight, been exercising or on vacation. Since it works gradually over a few weeks, you notice a bit of difference yourself, but the people who don't see you that often really notice a dramatic change. Smaller wrinkles are smoothed out and disappear completely, while large ones get smaller.

It won't make a 69 year old look 20, but definitely takes off a decade of wear and tear. Oh, my wife is also asian too and it works wonders. Highly recommended.

I am also going to try the Made from Earth Rooibos Tea Face Scrub next and I will let you know how it goes.


Are you advertising?

It's just hard for me to believe that a man would google his way into a purse forum to talk about a moisturizer and how great it is.



Btw, for reference, this is my old thread that I started. Since then, I've switched to Japanese and Korean brand cosmetics and my skin has never been better. I will get into detail of what I'm using if anyone is interested to hear just let me know.
 
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Great! I will be happy to share what I've been using. My skin is now clear, complexion is way way better , and I don't break out like before( rarely now!).

Cleanser: Naive Medicated Rose Cleanser (You can find this at your local Japanese market.) webichi.com | Kracie NAIVE White Facial Cleasing Foam 08

This is the greatest cleanser I've ever used for me! I personally like to stay light and this cleanser keeps my skin that way. It does a squeaky clean job but then at the same time it leaves my skin soft too! A small dab goes a longgg way. This thing get foamy! Best thing is its also quite cheap too. I gave my mom a tube and she loves it as well.


I have white heads and black heads so I use a PEEL-OFF mask once a week.

Naris Up Charcoal & Eggshell mask: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_my1aJ5jMhXY/SRQMgai8dRI/AAAAAAAACS4/Pv8nkRfvT2M/s400/Naris01.JPG

Or another great peel off mask thats way better then the one above:

Sekkisei Mask White http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_my1aJ5jMhXY/SRQMgai8dRI/AAAAAAAACS4/Pv8nkRfvT2M/s400/Naris01.JPG

Once I use any of those peel off masks, I use a toner to finish off.

Sekkisei toner : Kose Sekkisei Lotion (Refreshing Toner) 6.7fl.oz./200ml


As for moisturizer. I have 3 different kinds that I alternate within.

Daytime moisturizer: Korres Wildrose 24 hr moisturizer w/ SPF (This brand is not an Asian brand. Find it @ Sephora. ) This moisturizer claims to "BRIGHTEN" and it really has brighten and even my complexion.

Night time moisturizers: I alternate between 2 moisturizer for night time depending on my skin.

Night cream #1: Korres Wildrose cream. (this one has no spf and its thicker but not that thick. It does the same thing as the above one that I mentioned. Brighten skin!)

Night cream #2: Dr. Ci labo AQUA COLLAGEN GEL: This is an amazing moisturizer especially for mature skin. I grab for this when I feel my skin needs an extra boost of hydration. (I am in my early 20s and it doesnt hurt to prevent aging skin early!) You can also use this moisturizer as a day cream but the only thing is this doesnt have SPF in it. If I do decide to use this moisturizer for day time, I add a few drops of Dr. Ci Labo's UV BRIGHT sunscreen in.

Here are some facts from their site: From Japan's leading cosmeceutical company, Dr.Ci:Labo
Developed by Japan's most innovative dermatologist, Dr. Shirono
Three types of collagen
Nineteen amino acids
Artificial colorant-free, artificial fragrance-free, paraben-free and mineral oil-free.


Amazon.com: Dr.Ci:Labo Aqua-Collagen-Gel Super Moisture Moisturizer (Mini 1.75 oz/50g): Beauty


And last but not least ..another product worth mentioning that has helped my skin!

Gatsby Mega Scrub! This stuff is crazy. If you've ever used Queen Helene's Mint Julep scrub or St Ives apricot scrub..you haven't experienced nothin yet! This scrub has fine grains and leaves your skin ssqueaaaaky smooth and even leaves a very cool minty after-feel. I would highly recommend anyone who wants to try this! Also, I would recommend not to use this too often. Once or twice a week is good.

Mandom Gatsby Black Mega Scrub 4.8fl.oz./130g



All links that were provided at random. Do your own research on the products and buy them wherevere you like. I just pulled those links up for reference of images.
 
I'm not sure having plastic surgery done can improve the quality of your skin?

I love Sekkisei white mask. You should give it a try. It's great for blackhead. Your face feels sooo clean after use :)

p.s. I don't mean to offend anybody but Korea is well known for plastic surgery (probably top 3 nation in the whole world). May be that has something to do with why their skin looks so nice?
 
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